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Reply #285 - Nov 20th, 2024 at 2:24pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
'individual versus collective'  ... methinks The People here have spoken...


'The People'..... speak like a contending rabble, each individual (of the collective: "The People")  voicing a view based on his own self-regard/self-interest. 

Hence the need for rule of law

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How's your People's Hero modern UN with every guttersnipe radical nation as 'member' going with resolving the problems caused by the Arabs of Gaza and in Hezbollah? 


I've already told you a thousand times: re the highlighted - it's going awfully, and I've already told you a thousand times WHY its going awfully (ie, the UNSC veto, mostly)

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Still imagining that finally coming to the Israeli idea of a Two State Solution,


To repeat - again:

The UN needs to enforce its own laws, in this case UN res 181, and deal with the contending nutjobs on either side of the dispute, namely,  "Promised Land" zionist ideologues on one side, and Islamic jihardists  on the other side.

Understand?

Oh I forgot: you are a delusional individual rights/freedoms ideologue who rejects rule of law which is necessary to adjudicate (and keep the peace) between contending  ideological nut-jobs. 

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And your kind blame Israel for not accepting a 'Two State Solution' which leaves the criminal murderers ready to start all over again, and nobody even looking over their shoulder from the mighty UN - one for all, eh?


The UN in its wisdom decided to confiscate half of the Palestine Mandate to create Israel; naturally,  Islam (being backward)  wasn't conducive to "infidels" taking half their land....

Meanwhile, the Arab League nations have 'modernized' somewhat (apart from the jihad nut jobs in Iran)  - 75 years later - are generally amenable to a 2-state solution.

And now it's the turn of the "greater Israel' nut-jobs in the RW Israeli government who want ALL of the former Palestine Mandate lands.....

Deplorable...

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Kinda reminds you of some things here, eh?  Wanting all the trappings of a Two State Solution Without Borders


1. Oz blacks were displaced - and they are angry; Palestinians in the Palestine Mandate Lands were displaced, and they are angry.

2. Some Oz blacks are proposing a 'dual sovereignty' in ONE land (impossible); whereas Palestinians (at least those who have accepted Israel's "right" to exist, as proposed by UN res 181) are proposing TWO sovereign states - possible, and indeed it is interntonal law, ie, UN res 181.

Spot the difference?

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Reply #286 - Nov 20th, 2024 at 2:34pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:42pm:
Another vital function of government is education, even in the face of the greedy, profit-seeking  junk-food merchants who have no regard for the health of their customers.   



And yet the participation rate is too low. Now how to correct that?
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Reply #287 - Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:11pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 2:23pm:
I'm not judging you for your qualities, few as they are. It's your arguments I judge. Wink


The problem here being your crippled Conservative brain; to wit:

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And nothing to do with backroom staff that keeps the robots running. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

 

Low IQ, they number 1/1000th of the workers required to man Ford's production line in the model T days. 

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Well that's comforting. Lawyers eh? So more than law and torts these days? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Yes it is comforting;  suck it up, the days of slavery and systemic poverty due to mal-distribution of resources (goods and services)  can no longer be defended, even by blind 'poverty is always with us' Conservatives.

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Ah, so it is only of use in a very small percentage of their work, merely used to disemploy interns. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Dummy -  google: " how is AI used in health, education, everyday life, and more; each category reveals  a host of ways in which AI is used today.

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No you haven't. AI is held captive by the "teachers" biases. Wink


See above : educate yourself. 

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ONLY for as long as the robots work, then you need skills, workers.


Low IQ... though probably fraudulent: I perceive  you are arguing for the sake of it, logic be damned...

Robots work 24/7, apart from maintenance time.

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Have these users, who got rid of their interns because AI could do the job, actuall lowered costs? If not it is a furphy of being cheaper. Wink


Like I said, educate yourself about AI and IT. The reason we have a cost of living crisis today is obsolete, greed-based neoclassical economics. 

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So basically there were no scarcities to overcome. Thank you. Wink
 

Hard to tell if that's low IQ, or fraud.

Once upon a time, slaves were eg,  forced to dig wanted ores out of the ground, making the resources  "scarce" ie dependent on violent coercion of slaves,  to extract them.  Now there is now "scarcity", as machines do the work.   

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Which is of course a different argument that what you were trying to project. The problem is not the system, but the corrupt politicians in many countries.  Cry


Wrong again: politicians are corrupted by the current vicious, obsolete neclassical 'scarcity' orthodoxy ('scarcity in the face of inlimited wants').

Resource distribution is a political choice, not determined  by natural (physical) law.   

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So how do they plan on removing the dictators and warlords?


That - like the development of international law - is an ongoing project, which hopefully men of goodwill will bring to fruition before the species destroys itself in the age of MAD.   

eg, is AGW-CO2  real (apart from warlords)?   

tik-tok-tik-tok....
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Reply #288 - Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:17pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 2:34pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:42pm:
Another vital function of government is education, even in the face of the greedy, profit-seeking  junk-food merchants who have no regard for the health of their customers.   



And yet the participation rate is too low. Now how to correct that?


End the obsolete neoclassical - 'NAIRU' - culture of welfare dependency, as a 'safety net'.
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Reply #289 - Nov 20th, 2024 at 5:26pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:17pm:
End the obsolete neoclassical - 'NAIRU' - culture of welfare dependency, as a 'safety net'.


So take the kids out of the classroom before they go in. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:11pm:
Low IQ, they number 1/1000th of the workers required to man Ford's production line in the model T days.


And you reference for this? Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:11pm:
Yes it is comforting;  suck it up, the days of slavery and systemic poverty due to mal-distribution of resources (goods and services)  can no longer be defended, even by blind 'poverty is always with us' Conservatives.


So lawyers are the champions of the poor. Who knew? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:11pm:
Dummy -  google: " how is AI used in health, education, everyday life, and more; each category reveals  a host of ways in which AI is used today.



Let's see-

"Alexa, Google Assistant, and Siri are just a few examples of AI-powered virtual assistants that help us with various tasks, such as setting reminders, sending messages, and controlling smart home devices."
speech to text, whatever will they think of next, Speech to text?


"Many companies use AI-powered chatbots to provide customer support, helping to answer common questions and resolve issues in a more efficient and effective manner." Wow, they can sometimes correctly guess a question being asked and provide the correct answer. Grin Grin Grin Grin

"Chatbots can be integrated with websites, social media, and messaging apps to provide personalized customer experiences."
ooh, personalised. Gotta get the suckers in.
Grin Grin Grin Grin

"Telemedicine is revolutionizing the healthcare industry by using AI-powered virtual consultations to reduce wait times and improve access to healthcare services." Where? In Australia telemedicine takes us to a real live doctor. NO AI. Wink

"Self-driving cars are being tested by companies like Waymo, Tesla, and Uber to improve road safety and reduce traffic congestion." 
And failed. Can't differentiate between snow and white cars.
Grin Grin Grin Grin

"Table: AI-powered Transportation Applications

Company      AI-powered Application
Waymo      Self-driving taxis and autonomous delivery vehicles
Tesla      Autopilot technology for semi-autonomous driving
Waze      Traffic routing and navigation system" 
Sorry that's too funny.
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

"Smart home devices, such as thermostats, lighting systems, and security cameras, use AI to learn our habits and preferences."
only until you do something out of the ordinary.


You clearly need to think, something i am sure, somewhere you are capable of. Winkthegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:11pm:
See above : educate yourself. 


You didn't elucidate anything. It is more than reading fashionable slogans. Smiley

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:11pm:
Low IQ... though probably fraudulent: I perceive  you are arguing for the sake of it, logic be damned...

Robots work 24/7, apart from maintenance time.


And there you have it. Is that planned or unplanned maintenancethegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:11pm:
Like I said, educate yourself about AI and IT. The reason we have a cost of living crisis today is obsolete, greed-based neoclassical economics.



Ah yes the good green lawyers. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:11pm:
Once upon a time, slaves were eg,  forced to dig wanted ores out of the ground, making the resources  "scarce" ie dependent on violent coercion of slaves,  to extract them.  Now there is now "scarcity", as machines do the work.   


Wrong. Before technology any "scarcity" was limited to labour. But, there wasn't the demand for those ores that there is today. And today there is no scarcity of ores, there are stockpiles of it. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:11pm:
Wrong again: politicians are corrupted by the current vicious, obsolete neclassical 'scarcity' orthodoxy ('scarcity in the face of inlimited wants').


Wrong again, Dictators, warlords don't heed western capitalism. They go there own way, unless it is for something like "climate reparations", then they are all in. More money for the MAN.

And then there are those from the RICH capitalist countries that do it because it is part of the gravy train. And others not so corrupted. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:11pm:
That - like the development of international law - is an ongoing project, which hopefully men of goodwill will bring to fruition before the species destroys itself in the age of MAD.   


International Law is a toothless tiger. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:11pm:
eg, is AGW-CO2  real (apart from warlords)?   


tbc
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Reply #290 - Nov 20th, 2024 at 5:28pm
 
The timeline says that there may be some warming due to CO2, but it is not proven. All other proxies, Ice Cores etc, show CO rises before a new glacial period. The temperature started to rise BEFORE the end of the LIA. Wink

Now if you have proof please provide it, although you always ask as a question. But keep questioning you do. It is if you want to say yes it is but don't have the guts for it. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 3:11pm:
tik-tok-tik-tok....


And that is probably where you get your world views. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #291 - Nov 20th, 2024 at 5:31pm
 
Wow - look at that billowing volcanic eruption stopping flights in Indonesia ....

Then look at the air in China and India..... and tell me again how We of The West are going to stop all that by cutting our puny emissions....

Go and campaign in India and China.... move on to curing the evils of Gaza and Hezbollah in person....
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Reply #292 - Nov 21st, 2024 at 8:06am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:42pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 8:23am:
thegreatdivide, you should watch NITV documentaries. They had a program about remote indigenous Australian communities and what they had to go through.

"Essentials of life" do not include Coca-Cola or cigarettes.


Indeed.  Another vital function of government is education, even in the face of the greedy, profit-seeking  junk-food merchants who have no regard for the health of their customers.   


If I find the article, I will re-post the story about people in northwest Australia complaining about paying $16 for a packet of Tim Tams.

I have no respect for people that want to say that Coca-Cola or cigarettes are part of traditional indigenous Australian culture. And I have even less respect for all the condescending anti-wokes out there that want to be racist against indigenous Australian people (mainly) in determining that the Australian government needs to be educating people on how unhealthy sugar and high-carb diets have on our mainly sedentary lives.

You are a special kind of strange, tgd.
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Reply #293 - Nov 21st, 2024 at 11:22am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 5:31pm:
Wow - look at that billowing volcanic eruption stopping flights in Indonesia ....

Not related to AGW-CO2 emissions.

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Then look at the air in China and India..... and tell me again how We of The West are going to stop all that by cutting our puny emissions....


Your error: The air in Beijing is no longer like the air in New Delhi, because China - with a GDP  6 times that of India (with similar populations) - is now the world's largest producer of renewable energy.

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Go and campaign in India and China.... move on to curing the evils of Gaza and Hezbollah in person....


China and India are both comitted to zero CO2 emissions by 2060 and 2070 respectively.  China - being wealthier - is much further down the road, expecting to peak CO2 emissions by 2030.

So I don't need to campaign in either country.

But as to "turning up in person in Gaza": the IDF have a regular habit (which has persisted for many decades) of shooting peace protesters with impunity.

Because of your delusional anti rule of law "freedom" ideology....
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Reply #294 - Nov 21st, 2024 at 11:24am
 
" all the condescending anti-wokes out there that want to be racist against indigenous Australian people (mainly) in determining that the Australian government needs to be educating people on how unhealthy sugar and high-carb diets have on our mainly sedentary lives."

You lost me on that - what is this?  Are you saying it is now 'racist' to 'educate people' on poor diet?  It impacts more on Aborigines here than on Others?  It's 'condescending' to tell people that a sugar and high-carb (let's include a meat heavy) unbalanced diet is unhealthy?

Please explain?
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Reply #295 - Nov 21st, 2024 at 11:30am
 
Of Course Not!!  Only To CO2 Emissions!!

You are so easy........  oooOOOOHHHH  .... 'man-made CO2 is deadlier than natural CO2' .... (ahem) that volcano just put Albo's 'savings' via alternative energy sources to bed for maybe twenty years.....

Now then.... China and India with the thick air....  it wasn't that long ago that Malaysia was complaining about annual smoke air due to burning off in Indonesia... maybe Indo has run out of bush to light .... vast areas of the world are still being burnt off for 'development' or various kinds....... here the loveys are lauding burnoffs as the 'native way' of controlling the bush (as if people haven't done it for millennia worldwide, with the difference that most cultivated the land after burning and having the ash add fertiliser - maybe Prof Pascoe could tell us about the flowing fields of grain or something)...

You live in Dreamland.... how's Michael's ghost?

https://www.iqair.com/us/world-most-polluted-countries

https://www.iqair.com/au/china?srsltid=AfmBOoqDvU9MrDnNMaJNn3bwMH6sywWz-FEVCPj-D...

Considering the concentration of industries in the north, it sure doesn't look like China is exactly unpolluted right now.... remember the prevailing winds blowing the pollution towards The Great Shaitans there - South Korea, Japan and ultimately America.... and all those spaces to the West that have no industry... population size also 'helps' distort the calculations...... so they are actually much worse.
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Reply #296 - Nov 21st, 2024 at 11:53am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 8:06am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 1:42pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 8:23am:
thegreatdivide, you should watch NITV documentaries. They had a program about remote indigenous Australian communities and what they had to go through.

"Essentials of life" do not include Coca-Cola or cigarettes.


Indeed.  Another vital function of government is education, even in the face of the greedy, profit-seeking  junk-food merchants who have no regard for the health of their customers.   


If I find the article, I will re-post the story about people in northwest Australia complaining about paying $16 for a packet of Tim Tams.


No need to find the article. Tim Tams shouldn't even be retailed in remote community stores, given the dire state of black health.

And public schools should be teaching all of us (starting with the kids)  about healthy eating, and to walk past the Tim Tams the supermarket.

But greedy 'private enterprise'  Conservatives shout 'nanny state', whenever their rotten, health destroying  profits are threatened.....

[Apparently Trump has selected JFK jnr, for the task of improving the nation's health in the US ....(cough)....] 

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I have no respect for people that want to say that Coca-Cola or cigarettes are part of traditional indigenous Australian culture.


Indeed, but are you going to blame the blacks who have become addicted to white junk sold in black stores?

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And I have even less respect for all the condescending anti-wokes out there...


now - there's a new twist on "woke"....."anti-woke" - cool!  Just shows where your GIGO thinking (revealed above) leads you: "woke" is no longer contemptible, anti-woke is.....(or is it both)....

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that want to be racist against indigenous Australian people (mainly


How is education re healthy eating "racist"?

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in determining that the Australian government needs to be educating people on how unhealthy sugar and high-carb diets have on our mainly sedentary lives.


See my remarks on national health at the top (though I doubt Trump will listen to JFK jnr ....comedy gold ....)

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You are a special kind of strange, tgd.


Says the guy who reckons teaching knowledge of healthy food is "anti-woke".
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Reply #297 - Nov 21st, 2024 at 11:59am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 11:24am:
" all the condescending anti-wokes out there that want to be racist against indigenous Australian people (mainly) in determining that the Australian government needs to be educating people on how unhealthy sugar and high-carb diets have on our mainly sedentary lives."

You lost me on that - what is this?  Are you saying it is now 'racist' to 'educate people' on poor diet?  It impacts more on Aborigines here than on Others?  It's 'condescending' to tell people that a sugar and high-carb (let's include a meat heavy) unbalanced diet is unhealthy?

Please explain?


Poor Unsub has shown the results of GIGO....
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thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 11:22am:
China and India are both comitted to zero CO2 emissions by 2060 and 2070 respectively.  China - being wealthier - is much further down the road, expecting to peak CO2 emissions by 2030.


Ah yes. CO2 -AGW is so serious, everyone, but the west gets a lifeline. IF emissions are so bad that it is GLOBAL, and China and India are part of the GLOBE, then they should go all in on renewables now. After all the claim is cheaper, greener and can be built faster. Even the WEF and the World Bank will support loans for renewables.

There must be a reason they are continuing fossil fuels. Wink

And things that are politically committed can be just as easily politically cancelled. As can peak emissions.

You do really only look at the headlines don't you. Oh and the marketing blurb is all true as well. /sarc
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 21st, 2024 at 11:30am:
Of Course Not!!  Only To CO2 Emissions!!

You are so easy........  oooOOOOHHHH  .... 'man-made CO2 is deadlier than natural CO2' .... (ahem) that volcano just put Albo's 'savings' via alternative energy sources to bed for maybe twenty years.....


Er - the vast majority of the increase in atmospheric  CO2 in the last 200 years is due to AGW - CO2, not volcanoes.

Not so easy:

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/which-emits-more-carbon-dioxide...

Human activities emit 60 or more times the amount of carbon dioxide released by volcanoes each year


I accept your concession, but please educate yourself. Sad

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Now then.... China and India with the thick air....  it wasn't that long ago that Malaysia was complaining about annual smoke air due to burning off in Indonesia... maybe Indo has run out of bush to light .... vast areas of the world are still being burnt off for 'development' or various kinds....... here the loveys are lauding burnoffs as the 'native way' of controlling the bush (as if people haven't done it for millennia worldwide, with the difference that most cultivated the land after burning and having the ash add fertiliser - maybe Prof Pascoe could tell us about the flowing fields of grain or something)...

You live in Dreamland.... how's Michael's ghost?


I haven't said anything about burning forests: I pointed out China has reduced air pollution, cf India,  by becoming the world's largest producer of emissions-free renewable energy.

ie, BOTH CO2 emissions (which are clean, apart from being a 'greenhouse gas') AND filthy fossil fuel emissions which are polluting and injurious to health, as most egregiously evidenced in New Delhi.

Do try to educate yourself.   

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https://www.iqair.com/us/world-most-polluted-countries

https://www.iqair.com/au/china?srsltid=AfmBOoqDvU9MrDnNMaJNn3bwMH6sywWz-FEVCPj-D...

Considering the concentration of industries in the north, it sure doesn't look like China is exactly unpolluted right now.... remember the prevailing winds blowing the pollution towards The Great Shaitans there - South Korea, Japan and ultimately America.... and all those spaces to the West that have no industry... population size also 'helps' distort the calculations...... so they are actually much worse.


Lies, damned lies, and statistics.....

quick google:

AI Overview

Beijing has more clean air days than New Delhi:

Air quality
Beijing's air quality has improved dramatically since 2013, while New Delhi's has remained mostly unchanged.


..despite the fact China has increased its GDP cf. India.


Number of clean air days

Beijing has over 100 more days of clear skies each year than it did when the Chinese government's anti-pollution campaign began.

AQI levels
In one comparison, Beijing's AQI was less than a fifth of New Delhi's.

PM2.5 levels
In one comparison, PM2.5 levels in New Delhi were 14 times higher than in Beijing.

Here's some more information about air quality in Beijing and New Delhi:

Pollution sources

Both cities have similar sources of pollution, including vehicular emissions, coal-fired power plants, and industrial smoke. New Delhi also has smoke from stubble burning in nearby agricultural states.

Air quality ranking
Beijing is currently ranked 27th on the world's worst pollution list by IQAir, a Swiss company that tracks global air quality. [/]

New Delhi - you guessd it: is the most polluted city in the world.

[i]Government action
The Chinese government launched a $100 billion, multiyear effort to clean the air in Beijing, which included clamping down on factories, forcing old vehicles off the road, and shifting from coal to natural gas. [/quote]


And creating the world's largest EV market; EVs now surpass ICE cars, in China, the world's largest vehicle market.

.....

Now, about your  recommendation to visit Gaza in person.....


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