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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84583 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Reply #330 - Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 4:19pm Well - there is Woke and then there is Truly Woke......
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17621 Gender:	Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Reply #331 - Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 5:15pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 12:47pm: Of course I would have replied if I had seen it: developing countries aren't responsible for the vast majority of AGW-CO2 emissions during the last 200 years. BTW- You were the one introduced AGW-CO2 to the thread. #287
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12940 Gender:	Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Reply #332 - Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 5:26pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 4:19pm: Well - there is Woke and then there is Truly Woke...... Examples? Poor Unsub tangled himself up, maybe you can assist him.
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Reply #333 - Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 5:45pm

lee wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 5:15pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 12:47pm:

Of course I would have replied if I had seen it: developing countries aren't responsible for the vast majority of AGW-CO2 emissions during the last 200 years.

BTW- You were the one introduced AGW-CO2 to the thread. #287

Wrong again: your #283 suggested renewable energy isn't - renewable (...in connection with AGW-CO2?.....oh never mind, it's beyond you, we know); only lee could defy logic in that manner.

In fact renewable energy is fueled by sun and wind, after the infastructure is built - more and more of which will also be built with renewables as the transition progresses, until manufacture of all future replacement (PVs etc) will be powered by 100% renewables.

But thanks for pointing to my excellent #287, in which (inter alia) I pointed to your idiotic "warlords" diversion, which was an attempt by you to defend your neanderthal "freedom or death" ideology, in preference to establishing effective UN-ordained international law.

All because you are stuck in the ancient, obsolete scarcity dogma of neoclassical economics...meaning war and poverty are 'always with us'...

Get back to the topic:

Consider how to close the gap; understand crime, and don't be sidetracked by the age of criminal responsibility.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #334 - Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 6:25pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 5:45pm:

Wrong again: your #283 suggested renewable energy isn't - renewable (...in connection with AGW-CO2?.....oh never mind, it's beyond you, we know); only lee could defy logic in that manner.

You need far greater materials under the renewable banner than any other energy banner. And then you have to have reliable backup. Renewables don't do reliable anything. But only you can not see that. So using all those fossil fuels for the creation of the renewables will be net zero? On what time frame? Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 5:45pm:

more and more of which will also be built with renewables as the transition progresses, until manufacture of all future replacement (PVs etc) will be powered by 100% renewables.

You know for someone who thinks themselves knowledgeable, you do show your overarching green dream utopia. Wink

Renewables don't do reliable, steady power supply. Something that is need in glass manufacturing, Aluminium smelting, fibreglass manufacturing and many more. Fossil fuels are responsible for more than 6,000 products and you want them gone too. But you know things- you read headlines. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 5:45pm:

But thanks for pointing to my excellent #287, in which (inter alia) I pointed to your idiotic "warlords" diversion, which was an attempt by you to defend your neanderthal "freedom or death" ideology, in preference to establishing effective UN-ordained international law.

AS I have said the UN International law is a toothless tiger. But I see you somehow want to establish it. Isn't that the international Law Commission? Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 5:45pm:

Consider how to close the gap; understand crime, and don't be sidetracked by the age of criminal responsibility.

But that is the thread title, which you continue to ignore. Grin

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84583 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Reply #335 - Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 7:19pm Well - looks like we won't have to discuss the lowering of the age barrier for young criminals to ten - we'll just leave them out there and they'll fry in the global warming.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17621 Gender:	Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Reply #336 - Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 7:29pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 5:45pm: Wrong again: your #283 suggested renewable energy isn't - renewable And in #281 you said "energy will soon be a renewable resource". You just haven't explained how or even when.
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Reply #337 - Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 7:57pm

lee wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 7:29pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 5:45pm:

Wrong again: your #283 suggested renewable energy isn't - renewable

And in #281 you said "energy will soon be a renewable resource". You just haven't explained how or even when. Roll Eyes

Never has answers, that boy.... just rhetoric. Must be one o' them serious lefties - I'm sort of left and often accused of being far right... funny world we live in.... some here would call that national socialist Gandhi a fascist.... he only considered HIS nation and wanted socialism..... an equal share of the nan bread for each Indian ... bloody national socialist ... now look at the joint - Neo-Feudal to the max, approaching Neo-Nazism with its 'national socialism at any cost', including massive pollution .... clear social division and concentration of power in the hands of a few - the Gauleiters and Kommissars such as we have here.... and so many people vying for five minutes in the warm sun they have no idea what their government really is.... but they know it's better here.

Pollution is 'up there' in the Northern Hemisphere - not here... and the Sacred Ganges is as polluted as can be with drifting turds and dead bodies and such.... drink some of its sacred waters and all your ills will be cured... pretty damned fast... sacred site, innit... if not a sacred sight you'd want to remember....

Drink the water in Laos - it's safer.

Now then - those ten year olds on the cattle trucks going for 're-settlement' ............. any takers on that subject? Them kids was so poor that when handed brand new quarters and clean sheets and such to live with 'up there' in the Re-Settlement Zone - they tore it all up to send home piece by piece!!

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Reply #338 - Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 7:58pm

Renewable energy is only renewable until the machine breaks down - then it all needs to be renewed at huge cost and pollution......**twiddles thumbs**

Short term thinking - but in twenty years when Der Untergang comes - Albo and his mates will be long out of the firing line.... and comfortably retired on riches for life. F

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ck the peasants - they are of no import...

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 24990 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Reply #339 - Nov 24^th, 2024 at 3:47am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 4:19pm: Well - there is Woke and then there is Truly Woke...... There is "woke" and there is "anti-woke". Being the person that coined the terminology (in 1993), I can tell you the difference. thegreatdivide is definitely "anti-woke".
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Reply #340 - Nov 24^th, 2024 at 4:45am

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 3:47am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 4:19pm:

Well - there is Woke and then there is Truly Woke...... Shocked

There is "woke" and there is "anti-woke". Being the person that coined the terminology (in 1993), I can tell you the difference.

thegreatdivide is definitely "anti-woke".

Coined the word? Get your hand off it.

Rocky, your delusions are getting scary. Seriously, seek help.

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Reply #341 - Nov 24^th, 2024 at 1:23pm

mothra wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 4:45am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 3:47am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 4:19pm:

Well - there is Woke and then there is Truly Woke...... Shocked

There is "woke" and there is "anti-woke". Being the person that coined the terminology (in 1993), I can tell you the difference.

thegreatdivide is definitely "anti-woke".

Coined the word? Get your hand off it.

Rocky, your delusions are getting scary. Seriously, seek help.

The word "woke" was started by indigenous Central Queenslanders. When I heard the word "woke", I wondered what they meant. One told me it means "when someone wakes up". Her husband had been on the booze for sometime, the night before. He got out of bed at 10am. The phrase "Is he woke?" had been used for sometime.

My high school friends and I decided to put a meaning to the word. Out of the definitions that were put forth, my definition "to be aware of one's social situation" was the most favoured. I was 14 years old when I decided that was what it meant. That was August, 1993.

Somehow, the word made it through the community. And even though people deem me the originator of that word, "woke" started to have a different meaning for places out of town. For some reason, "woke" is now synonymous with being "ultra liberal". THat is NOT what it means. By the end of high school, a girl decided to define what the antonym of "woke" meant. I will accept her definition of "anti-woke" to mean "being against the moral principles of being woke". Although, I have a more broader term for the word. So, that is basically the issue. "Woke" made its way out of the country by 1998, and the Americans are trying to claim credit for an Australian originated word. Some cleaning lady at my high school originated the word. I just put a definition to the word.

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Reply #342 - Nov 24^th, 2024 at 1:35pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 1:23pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 4:45am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 3:47am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 4:19pm:

Well - there is Woke and then there is Truly Woke...... Shocked

There is "woke" and there is "anti-woke". Being the person that coined the terminology (in 1993), I can tell you the difference.

thegreatdivide is definitely "anti-woke".

Coined the word? Get your hand off it.

Rocky, your delusions are getting scary. Seriously, seek help.

The word "woke" was started by indigenous Central Queenslanders. When I heard the word "woke", I wondered what they meant. One told me it means "when someone wakes up". Her husband had been on the booze for sometime, the night before. He got out of bed at 10am. The phrase "Is he woke?" had been used for sometime.

My high school friends and I decided to put a meaning to the word. Out of the definitions that were put forth, my definition "to be aware of one's social situation" was the most favoured. I was 14 years old when I decided that was what it meant. That was August, 1993.

Somehow, the word made it through the community. And even though people deem me the originator of that word, "woke" started to have a different meaning for places out of town. For some reason, "woke" is now synonymous with being "ultra liberal". THat is NOT what it means. By the end of high school, a girl decided to define what the antonym of "woke" meant. I will accept her definition of "anti-woke" to mean "being against the moral principles of being woke". Although, I have a more broader term for the word. So, that is basically the issue. "Woke" made its way out of the country by 1998, and the Americans are trying to claim credit for an Australian originated word. Some cleaning lady at my high school originated the word. I just put a definition to the word.

A remarkable story, if true; the yanks actually inported some Oz 'culture', rather than the other way around?

But I'm not sure whether that particular snippet of 'culture' has improved the state of political discourse, either here or the US...

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Reply #343 - Nov 24^th, 2024 at 1:39pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 4:50pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 4:27pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 21^st, 2024 at 11:24am:

" all the condescending anti-wokes out there that want to be racist against indigenous Australian people (mainly) in determining that the Australian government needs to be educating people on how unhealthy sugar and high-carb diets have on our mainly sedentary lives."

You lost me on that - what is this? Are you saying it is now 'racist' to 'educate people' on poor diet? It impacts more on Aborigines here than on Others? It's 'condescending' to tell people that a sugar and high-carb (let's include a meat heavy) unbalanced diet is unhealthy?

Please explain?

It is racist to assume that indigenous Australians are not knowledgeable enough to know that sugar and high carbs are bad for their health. They know.

It's not and they don't.

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They just don't care.

Off on a 'personal responsibility rant, again.

News flash: the entire globe is suffering an obesity and diabetes epidemic, because the global junk-food industry is exploiting ignorance.

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The indigenous people in remote communities are such people that they have little to do other than to drink sugary drinks -- sometimes they sneak in alcohol -- and eat rubbish food.

And you continue to argue GIGO, as noted above.

Solving the lack of employment problem is indeed vital.

That' means getting rid of the current evil NAIRU-based poverty-industry/'welfare safety net'.

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They have few jobs. They have little to do other than to play football or learn how to fix cars. The women learn how to look after each others' children. And they learn how to deal with medical emergencies -- of which is often in some communities.

Yes, there are always some people (often women) who try to improve community conditions, while others succumb to conditions trpically seen in poverty ghettos (crime, poor behaviours etc).

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I could imagine the idea of "educating people on how to eat healthy" is just something that indigenous Australians learn when they tell the difference between KFC and fruit and vegetables. KFC is a treat to them. Fruit and vegetables are a fact of life.

You would be imaging wrongly, as noted re the entire globe, above.

And fresh fruit and vegetables aren't affordable on the dole, least of all in remote communities.

Yes they do you patronising knucklehead.

And Rocky is right - they don't care because they always take the easy way out.

Why don't you cease with the incessant excuse making bullshyte?

It's all you espouse.

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Reply #344 - Nov 24^th, 2024 at 1:48pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 1:23pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 4:45am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 3:47am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2024 at 4:19pm:

Well - there is Woke and then there is Truly Woke...... Shocked

There is "woke" and there is "anti-woke". Being the person that coined the terminology (in 1993), I can tell you the difference.

thegreatdivide is definitely "anti-woke".

Coined the word? Get your hand off it.

Rocky, your delusions are getting scary. Seriously, seek help.

The word "woke" was started by indigenous Central Queenslanders. When I heard the word "woke", I wondered what they meant. One told me it means "when someone wakes up". Her husband had been on the booze for sometime, the night before. He got out of bed at 10am. The phrase "Is he woke?" had been used for sometime.

My high school friends and I decided to put a meaning to the word. Out of the definitions that were put forth, my definition "to be aware of one's social situation" was the most favoured. I was 14 years old when I decided that was what it meant. That was August, 1993.

Somehow, the word made it through the community. And even though people deem me the originator of that word, "woke" started to have a different meaning for places out of town. For some reason, "woke" is now synonymous with being "ultra liberal". THat is NOT what it means. By the end of high school, a girl decided to define what the antonym of "woke" meant. I will accept her definition of "anti-woke" to mean "being against the moral principles of being woke". Although, I have a more broader term for the word. So, that is basically the issue. "Woke" made its way out of the country by 1998, and the Americans are trying to claim credit for an Australian originated word. Some cleaning lady at my high school originated the word. I just put a definition to the word.

You speak shyte.

Bastardised English in the form of aboriginal slang or inability to speak it correctly.... innit?

So stop gammin blackfellas invent da word "woke" ...

in any of the contexts it's used today.

I might have to agree with Mothballs that you're really going off on some weird tangents .....

and we can't have that happening - it would never do.

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