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Reply #345 - Nov 24th, 2024 at 1:50pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 1:35pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 1:23pm:
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UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 3:47am:
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Well - there is Woke and then there is Truly Woke......   Shocked


There is "woke" and there is "anti-woke". Being the person that coined the terminology (in 1993), I can tell you the difference.

thegreatdivide is definitely "anti-woke".



Coined the word? Get your hand off it.


Rocky, your delusions are getting scary. Seriously, seek help.


The word "woke" was started by indigenous Central Queenslanders. When I heard the word "woke", I wondered what they meant. One told me it means "when someone wakes up". Her husband had been on the booze for sometime, the night before. He got out of bed at 10am. The phrase "Is he woke?" had been used for sometime.

My high school friends and I decided to put a meaning to the word. Out of the definitions that were put forth, my definition "to be aware of one's social situation" was the most favoured. I was 14 years old when I decided that was what it meant. That was August, 1993.

Somehow, the word made it through the community. And even though people deem me the originator of that word, "woke" started to have a different meaning for places out of town. For some reason, "woke" is now synonymous with being "ultra liberal". THat is NOT what it means. By the end of high school, a girl decided to define what the antonym of "woke" meant. I will accept her definition of "anti-woke" to mean "being against the moral principles of being woke". Although, I have a more broader term for the word. So, that is basically the issue. "Woke" made its way out of the country by 1998, and the Americans are trying to claim credit for an Australian originated word. Some cleaning lady at my high school originated the word. I just put a definition to the word.


A remarkable story, if true;  the yanks actually inported some Oz 'culture', rather than the other way around? 

But I'm not sure whether that particular snippet of 'culture' has improved the state of political discourse, either here or the US...


If you even entertain for a second that what he(Rocky) has said regarding the word "woke" is true then it's proof positive what a waffling fool you really are. Grin
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #346 - Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:04pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 7:57pm:
lee wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 7:29pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 5:45pm:
Wrong again: your #283 suggested renewable energy isn't -  renewable


And in #281 you said "energy will soon be a renewable resource".  You just haven't explained how or even when. Roll Eyes


Never has answers, that boy.... just rhetoric.


Graps, you missed the answer, obviously you weren't interested in following the off topic debate.

fyi, PVs and windmills etc (fueled by free sun and wind,  backed by storage, will be increasingly manufactured by renewaable energy, as the transition progresess.

poor lee doesn't have the IQ to understand that; I'm hoping you do....

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  Must be one o' them serious lefties - I'm sort of left and often accused of being far right...


I'm here to expose the egregious effects of mainstream neoclassical "scarcity" economic dogma, and to promote a public sector which is freed from taxing the private sector.

A serious lefty?

Whereas your neandertahl "freedom or death" ideology - to avoid abiding by a regime of effective  internation law -  IS certainly far right.   

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  funny world we live in....


Tragic, in fact.

All because we have been fighting one-another over access to resources since the beginning if time -  and still haven't woken up there are plenty of the vital resources to go arround.

Hence the confusion re various -isms,  in the remander of your post.


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Pollution is 'up there' in the Northern Hemisphere - not here...


because that's where the massive populations are - geez graps did i have to tell you that?

But  now renewables, nuclear, and recycling,  can end pollution.

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Drink the water in Laos - it's safer.


3rd world poverty causes people to dilute alcohol with  "fillers",  to increase profits.

See how your mainstream 'scarcity' dogma, overseen by the crooked IMF,  is responsibles for those girls' deaths in Laos.  Another tragedy.

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Now then - those ten year olds on the cattle trucks going for 're-settlement' ............. any takers on that subject? 
   

No.  Study crime and its causes, and then create functional communites.

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Them kids was so poor that when handed brand new quarters and clean sheets and such to live with 'up there' in the Re-Settlement Zone - they tore it all up to send home piece by piece!!


So your idea was sh*t from the start; glad I didn't have to explain why. 
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #347 - Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:06pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:04pm:
fyi, PVs and windmills etc (fueled by free sun and wind,  backed by storage, will be increasingly manufactured by renewaable energy, as the transition progresess.


Yet another claim with no back up. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #348 - Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:10pm
 
Gnads wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 1:50pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 1:35pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 1:23pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 4:45am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 3:47am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 23rd, 2024 at 4:19pm:
Well - there is Woke and then there is Truly Woke......   Shocked


There is "woke" and there is "anti-woke". Being the person that coined the terminology (in 1993), I can tell you the difference.

thegreatdivide is definitely "anti-woke".



Coined the word? Get your hand off it.


Rocky, your delusions are getting scary. Seriously, seek help.


The word "woke" was started by indigenous Central Queenslanders. When I heard the word "woke", I wondered what they meant. One told me it means "when someone wakes up". Her husband had been on the booze for sometime, the night before. He got out of bed at 10am. The phrase "Is he woke?" had been used for sometime.

My high school friends and I decided to put a meaning to the word. Out of the definitions that were put forth, my definition "to be aware of one's social situation" was the most favoured. I was 14 years old when I decided that was what it meant. That was August, 1993.

Somehow, the word made it through the community. And even though people deem me the originator of that word, "woke" started to have a different meaning for places out of town. For some reason, "woke" is now synonymous with being "ultra liberal". THat is NOT what it means. By the end of high school, a girl decided to define what the antonym of "woke" meant. I will accept her definition of "anti-woke" to mean "being against the moral principles of being woke". Although, I have a more broader term for the word. So, that is basically the issue. "Woke" made its way out of the country by 1998, and the Americans are trying to claim credit for an Australian originated word. Some cleaning lady at my high school originated the word. I just put a definition to the word.


A remarkable story, if true;  the yanks actually inported some Oz 'culture', rather than the other way around? 

But I'm not sure whether that particular snippet of 'culture' has improved the state of political discourse, either here or the US...


If you even entertain for a second that what he(Rocky) has said regarding the word "woke" is true then it's proof positive what a waffling fool you really are. Grin


You didn't catch the doubt in my post?

Now....back to youth crime, its causes, and also fixing the gap, without being diverted by "lowering the age of criminal responsibility".

You have plenty of my "waffle " to refute, in recent  pages of debate.
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #349 - Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:13pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:06pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:04pm:
fyi, PVs and windmills etc (fueled by free sun and wind,  backed by storage, will be increasingly manufactured by renewable energy, as the transition progresess.


Yet another claim with no back up. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Er - elementary,  my dear Watson; that's what a 100% emissions-free system IS.





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Reply #350 - Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:15pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:13pm:
Er - elementary,  my dear Watson; that's what a 100% emissions free system IS.


So you don't even have a link. You don't know anything about reliable power supply. But you have dreams. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #351 - Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:36pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:15pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:13pm:
Er - elementary,  my dear Watson; that's what a 100% emissions free system IS.


So you don't even have a link. You don't know anything about reliable power supply. But you have dreams. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


https://www.sciencenews.org/article/net-zero-carbon-emissions-climate#:~:text=Th...

It’s possible to reach net-zero carbon emissions. Here’s how

Cutting carbon dioxide emissions to curb climate change is possible but not easy.

...which rules out 'climate hoax' lee being able to comprehend it.





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Reply #352 - Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:53pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:36pm:
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/net-zero-carbon-emissions-climate#:~:text=Th...

It’s possible to reach net-zero carbon emissions. Here’s how



OK NET Zero is not Zero and there is NOTHING in the article talking about renewables being able to make PV's or wind Turbines including blades.

Once again reading the headlines rather than what it actually says. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #353 - Nov 24th, 2024 at 4:24pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 1:35pm:
A remarkable story, if true;  the yanks actually inported some Oz 'culture', rather than the other way around? 

But I'm not sure whether that particular snippet of 'culture' has improved the state of political discourse, either here or the US...


When the American troops were stationed around town, some came to the cinema during their downtime. I was speaking to some of them in the foyer. One of them mentioned that there was a new word in the States. "Woke".

I sat there, stunned that the word "woke" had only been making the rounds of the USA of recent. The year this happened was in 1999 -- I woud be fairly sure. I asked the corporal if he knew what the word meant. He just smirked and gave some answer like "To be cool about what you know" or something to that effect.

I just had to correct him and tell him that the word meant "to be situationally aware about one's social position". The corporal laughed it off and said I would not know because the word is only new. A couple of my friends chuckled back at him and then pointed me out at the person who coined the phrase.

I was not sure what he said. But he was not too pleased that I was culturally appropriating an American derived word. The guy told me to go away.

My response: "Okay boomer".

Oh, that phrase dates back to 1991. I definitely coined that one before I was a teenager.
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Reply #354 - Nov 24th, 2024 at 4:49pm
 
Gnads wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 1:48pm:
You speak shyte.

Bastardised English in the form of aboriginal slang or inability to speak it correctly.... innit?

So stop gammin blackfellas invent da word "woke" ...

in any of the contexts it's used today.

I might have to agree with Mothballs that you're really going off on some weird tangents .....

and we can't have that happening - it would never do.


If I, as an English-as-a-first-language speaker can claim that I came up with the definition (but not the word) to "woke" in 1993, as a teenager, then I don't see how it is "shyte".

There is no possible way for me to prove to you that I was the person in the world of 6 billion (at the time) to define the word that a cleaning lady at my high school mentioned.

I mean, I have co-workers that were not born during my teenage years. Yet, they have this idea that I have no concept of heavy metal or dubstep or rapcore music. One of them had this CD of my garage band. How do you explain to a 17 y.o. that the clean-shaven guy that weighed 75kg was me when I was 19? He went enraged that the album was brand new. I had to point out that the album was remastered for better sound quality for modern sound systems. I had to borrow a bass guitar to prove to him that I was on bass. It took a few goes, but I had the riff of the opening song near perfected.

But, I guess you don't believe that I could be part of a garage band, either.
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Reply #355 - Nov 24th, 2024 at 4:53pm
 
Gnads wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 1:50pm:
If you even entertain for a second that what he(Rocky) has said regarding the word "woke" is true then it's proof positive what a waffling fool you really are. Grin


You just cannot admit for a second that you have interacted online with someone that did something with his life, despite being stunted by stupid parents.

I am about 10,000 words into a 50,000 word romance novel. I was a contender to being a voice actor for animated movies made in Australia. But I have to get through a few things first. Chances are, I might miss out.
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Reply #356 - Nov 24th, 2024 at 5:06pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:10pm:
You didn't catch the doubt in my post?

Now....back to youth crime, its causes, and also fixing the gap, without being diverted by "lowering the age of criminal responsibility".

You have plenty of my "waffle " to refute, in recent  pages of debate.


Give it a moment's pause to think about the implication of what I said. An indigenous lady who works as a cleaner at my former high school mentions to her niece about how her (the cleaning lady's) husband was "woke" that morning. I found the word "woke" fascinating. I gave the word new meaning from being "awake" to "being aware of your own personal situation". Then it evolved to the meaning I gave it by the year 1993.

Had that lady not prompted me to debate among friends about the possible code word we could use among ourselves in our second year of high school, we would not be using "woke" in our dialogues online. 1992 was a testing year for a bunch of new teenagers.

If indigenous people cannot be credited with having some attributes in developing modern society, we might as well keep the age of criminal responsibility high for them. I am just sick of seeing people degrading indigenous people just because some pricks think that they are above the law.
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Reply #357 - Nov 24th, 2024 at 5:36pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 4:49pm:
There is no possible way for me to prove to you that I was the person in the world of 6 billion (at the time) to define the word that a cleaning lady at my high school mentioned.
 

But.... wikipedia:

Among the earliest uses of the idea of wokeness as a concept for black political consciousness came from Jamaican philosopher and social activist Marcus Garvey,[2] who wrote in 1923, "Wake up Ethiopia! Wake up Africa!

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By the mid-20th century, woke had come to mean 'well-informed' or 'aware',[12] especially in a political or cultural sense.[7] The Oxford English Dictionary traces the earliest such usage to a 1962 New York Times Magazine article titled "If You're Woke You Dig It" by African-American novelist William Melvin Kelley, describing the appropriation of black slang by white beatniks.[7] 

a bit before your 1993 defintion of a word used by the cleaning lady at your school?




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Reply #358 - Nov 24th, 2024 at 6:05pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 5:06pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:10pm:
You didn't catch the doubt in my post?

Now....back to youth crime, its causes, and also fixing the gap, without being diverted by "lowering the age of criminal responsibility".

You have plenty of my "waffle " to refute, in recent  pages of debate.


Give it a moment's pause to think about the implication of what I said.
 

Do I have to?

I'll go with 'woke' (as per wikipedia) -  meaning aware of (awake to) socio -economic  realities,  especially as perceived by  blacks, as a result of  their history of exclusion and oppression by the ruling class.

MLK expressed it wonderfully (which is no doubt related to why he was assassinated; oppressors don't like being exposed).

now ....pretty please, can we get back to considering youth crime, its causes, and also fixing the gap, without being diverted by "lowering the age of criminal responsibility"?

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If indigenous people cannot be credited with having some attributes in developing modern society, we might as well keep the age of criminal responsibility high for them.


Well yes, until they have learnt, or have been shown how to particpate in modern society, while not relying on (or being forced to rely on)  the disastrous poverty level-welfare 'safety net'.

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I am just sick of seeing people degrading indigenous people just because some pricks think that they are above the law.


Fair enough....but are these 'pricks' white or black - I'm confused: eg, usually it's white people (I won't mention names..) who degrade/criticize blacks for lack of 'personal responsibility'; while blacks with a chip on their shoulder claim they are above the law - or rather, don't give a sh*t about the law.
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Reply #359 - Nov 24th, 2024 at 6:14pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 5:36pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 24th, 2024 at 4:49pm:
There is no possible way for me to prove to you that I was the person in the world of 6 billion (at the time) to define the word that a cleaning lady at my high school mentioned.
 

But.... wikipedia:

Among the earliest uses of the idea of wokeness as a concept for black political consciousness came from Jamaican philosopher and social activist Marcus Garvey,[2] who wrote in 1923, "Wake up Ethiopia! Wake up Africa!

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By the mid-20th century, woke had come to mean 'well-informed' or 'aware',[12] especially in a political or cultural sense.[7] The Oxford English Dictionary traces the earliest such usage to a 1962 New York Times Magazine article titled "If You're Woke You Dig It" by African-American novelist William Melvin Kelley, describing the appropriation of black slang by white beatniks.[7] 

a bit before your 1993 defintion of a word used by the cleaning lady at your school?


(Unf
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If I went around to your residence and knocked on your bedroom window, asking "Are you woke?" you would either respond verbally, or not at all.

"Are you awake and dressed?" is another way of asking the same type of question.

"He was woke before I left to go home yesterday" was what my high school cleaning lady said to her niece, re: the uncle's alcohol addiction.

What Marcus Garvey said back in the day, and what New York Times Magazine claim was said in 1962, has nothing to do with the origins. For all I know, New York Times might be doing a cultural revisionist of their "hippie" era to try and convince the world that a word that originated from Rockhampton did not actually originate in Rockhampton circa 1993.

As far as the editors in New York are concerned, Rockhampton is just one of those redneck towns full of anti-Semites, alcoholic, drug-usin', cattle raisin', dust cloud makin', baby-producin', burnout-competition car enthusiasts. And he would be right, too. The only issue here is that at least us Rockhamptonites are willing to do what is necessary to keep our people alive and economically viable at our own expense. New Yorkers do the same, too. Except they would rather send in foreign fighters to clean up their administrative errors. That nearly included me in 2014.
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