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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #375 - Nov 25^th, 2024 at 12:45pm

mothra,

I could get the pitbull down the road to urinate all over you. Then people would call you a telephone pole. You are the type of person who would believe it, you are that naive.

"Woke" is a term about 30 years old. Americans are just cultural revisionists. Again taking credit for what other countries invent/develop. But that is what happens when you live in a country that has little troubles in combatting the elements. You just expect to have things go your way.

Americans have a "saviour complex". They believe that the world owes them their lives because the Americans send military personnel all over the world. You can imagine that when a person from Rockhampton, Qld, Australia can register a username and type 10,000+ posts for 12 years, it is difficult to believe that his nearly 46-year-old behind has done much more for the world than to give women a sexual fantasy angle. But, I doubt that you believe that, either.

Rockhampton has produced quite a bit in the last 150 years of its history. I happen to be an unofficial world record holder. Let us just say that one of the former presidents of their country (somewhere in the world) was kind of very angry at me. But at least no one died.

But, for some reason, you don't want to credit me for defining a word "woke", and tell the Americans to "ping-ding" with their cultural appropriation? You cannot even verify with what was said 100 years ago. Why would you doubt the author of a word, and a few other sayings (ie., "Okay boomer" in the year 1991/1992), just because I am not an American?

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84583 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Reply #376 - Nov 25^th, 2024 at 12:56pm The word Woke was started by inner city Negroes ... not outback Aborigines ... Deep is the fantasy in this one....... too long at Babylon - time to return to the rum ...
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35453 Gender:	Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Reply #377 - Nov 25^th, 2024 at 12:58pm https://theconversation.com/where-woke-came-from-and-why-marketers-should-think-...
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #378 - Nov 25^th, 2024 at 1:13pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 25^th, 2024 at 8:56am:

Rubbish to you, a 'climate hoax' theorist, but not to the Princeton researches, who have shown that "it is possible to reduce CO2 emissions, to curb climate change".

And yet NONE have said that renewables can create renewables. That should tell you something. But no your belief system will not allow it. Maybe you can show us the "then the magic happens" moment. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 25^th, 2024 at 8:56am:

I defer to the the reseachers at Princeton.

And they don't support your contention either, otherwise they would have said so. They are professional grant seekers after all. What would be a better grant application than that? Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 25^th, 2024 at 8:56am:

Do try to keep up.

I an so far ahead of you it is sad that you keep trying. No Maths, No Science, No Engineering. Well may "Science" is wrong, you could have "Political 'Science' ". Roll Eyes

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #379 - Nov 25^th, 2024 at 3:23pm

"Being woke was originally associated with black Americans fighting racism, but has been appropriated by other activist groups – taking it from awareness and blackness to a colourless and timeless phenomenon. "

Thank you for your input - that clears away the 'outback Aborigine theory'.... out back of the house maybe .... that's the modern way........... derived from the old Australian slang - "I'm a wake-up to that!" ... been around for centuries I'd say ....

Man - all this BS of appropriating 'deep meaningful one-worders and one-liners' to some group de jour has got to stop... every single smart-arsed comment rides on the shoulders of the smart-arses who came before... The Greatest One-Liners!!

You bloody recent imports with your profound knowledge of everything in the universe - but we're a wake-up to that!!

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 24990 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Reply #380 - Nov 25^th, 2024 at 3:48pm Mothra, just ease up on the gullibility. If I go about calling someone "gay", it it not necessarily a bad thing. But, you might not like the use of the term. I remember when saying something seems "gay" meant something was "unusual". But, that is just another regional Qld term that got put into usage.
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #381 - Nov 25^th, 2024 at 4:03pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 25^th, 2024 at 3:48pm:

Mothra, just ease up on the gullibility.

If I go about calling someone "gay", it it not necessarily a bad thing. But, you might not like the use of the term.

I remember when saying something seems "gay" meant something was "unusual". But, that is just another regional Qld term that got put into usage.

Did you invent that one too?

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84583 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Reply #382 - Nov 25^th, 2024 at 5:13pm ... we'll have a gay old time....
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #383 - Nov 25^th, 2024 at 5:58pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 2:36pm:

lee wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 2:15pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 2:13pm:

Er - elementary, my dear Watson; that's what a 100% emissions free system IS.

So you don't even have a link. You don't know anything about reliable power supply. But you have dreams. Grin

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/net-zero-carbon-emissions-climate#:~:text=Th...

It’s possible to reach net-zero carbon emissions. Here’s how

Cutting carbon dioxide emissions to curb climate change is possible but not easy.

...which rules out 'climate hoax' lee being able to comprehend it.

That's where you come undone.

Because like most of your waffle it's a pipe dream.

Not possible unless you wish to return to the dark ages.

Carbon dioxide is the gas of life, in fact Carbon dioxide is essential for life. Carbon dioxide is a key part of the Earth's carbon cycle, which is essential for plant life. Plants take in carbon dioxide, break it down into carbon and oxygen, and release the oxygen back into the atmosphere. The amount of Carbon dioxide in the earths atmosphere is 0.04%.

Carbon is a naturally abundant, nonmetallic element that occurs in all organic compounds and can be found in all known forms of life. It makes up about 0.025% of Earth's crust.

Australia contributes just over 1% of all global emissions from industrialized countries.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #384 - Nov 25^th, 2024 at 6:02pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 4:24pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 1:35pm:

A remarkable story, if true; the yanks actually inported some Oz 'culture', rather than the other way around?

But I'm not sure whether that particular snippet of 'culture' has improved the state of political discourse, either here or the US...

When the American troops were stationed around town, some came to the cinema during their downtime. I was speaking to some of them in the foyer. One of them mentioned that there was a new word in the States. "Woke".

I sat there, stunned that the word "woke" had only been making the rounds of the USA of recent. The year this happened was in 1999 -- I woud be fairly sure. I asked the corporal if he knew what the word meant. He just smirked and gave some answer like "To be cool about what you know" or something to that effect.

I just had to correct him and tell him that the word meant "to be situationally aware about one's social position". The corporal laughed it off and said I would not know because the word is only new. A couple of my friends chuckled back at him and then pointed me out at the person who coined the phrase.

I was not sure what he said. But he was not too pleased that I was culturally appropriating an American derived word. The guy told me to go away.

My response: "Okay boomer".

Oh, that phrase dates back to 1991. I definitely coined that one before I was a teenager.

More bullshyte....

you should get back on your schizo meds ....

Grin

Abos invented "woke" & you coined the phrase "OK Boomer"? Grin

You are a dead set fruitloop.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #385 - Nov 25^th, 2024 at 6:07pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 25^th, 2024 at 9:01am:

Frank wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 6:35pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 6:21pm:

lee wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 2:36pm:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/net-zero-carbon-emissions-climate#:~:text=Th...

It’s possible to reach net-zero carbon emissions. Here’s how

OK NET Zero is not Zero and there is NOTHING in the article talking about renewables being able to make PV's or wind Turbines including blades.

"Cutting carbon dioxide emissions to curb climate change is possible but not easy."

That's all we need to know; ie we have to cut CO2 emissions "to curb climate change"; and - by definition - once it's achieved, PVs and turbines etc (all manufacturing) will be built within the new net-zero green economy, with no ill effects on the climate., since CO2 emissions will stop increasing ('net zero').

It's like pulling teeth.....

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Once again reading the headlines rather than what it actually says. Grin

Still some rotten teeth there, I see.... Sad

China aint doing it. Nor India, Indonesia and the rest.
Why?

Developing country! Cheesy

China's manufacturing is twice the size of that of the US.

A third world dishonesty racket. And then they line up at the border as 'refugees'.
Lying, dishonest cheating bollocks.

Oh, but they are just like us!! CRAP.

fyi, China is now the world's largest producer of renewable energy, and is rapidly reducing the proportion of coal in its energy mix, should peak around 2030, on the way to net zero by 2060.

Do try to keep up.

Yeah cheap shyte to flog off - making a squillion on - to gullible western countries like us ... being run by ideologue lefty govts.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #386 - Nov 25^th, 2024 at 6:20pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 25^th, 2024 at 9:57am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 25^th, 2024 at 9:25am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 6:14pm:

(Unf

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ckingbelievable)...

What's unbelievable? The wiki definition of woke?

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If I went around to your residence and knocked on your bedroom window, asking "Are you woke?" you would either respond verbally, or not at all.

If I was awake (!) , I would answer: Yes.....meaning (literally) awake ...AND (definitionally) aware of the socio economic realities of my life and that of my neighbours.

Heard on the radio today:

a Catholic bishop saying: "forget the word "woke", it's time to get those boys back from the prison in Bali, they have paid the price and suffered enough".

Unlike the very antiwoke (very asleep) horrible woman Michaelia Cash who was raving and ranting yesterday, demanding the PM explain why he was working to release contemptible drug smugglers ....you see, RW "tough on crime" will fix the world...

Deplorable.

What is unbuggeringbelieveable" is your continuous belief that Australia is racially discriminatory against minorities because of our economic system.

To clarify: Oz is NOT "racially discrimatory against minorites because of the economic system"; but Oz does "discrimate", ie, force onto the poverty-level dole, people who are unable to compete in the regular job market.

Spot the difference?

And - for cultural, historical reasons, Oz blacks are the group who are most badly affected that same, evil economc system (the poverty level dole as a safety net, which enmeshes blacks in "sit-down money" with no chance of improvement or escape from the resulting poverty ghettos in the regional and remote communities.

Even in Darwin, the sheer stench of people condemned to this lifestyle ensures no-one wants anything to do with them.

This sort of generatiional poverty, mixed with alcoholsm and crime, is UGLY.

In fact, as UGLY as the current economic system, with its poverty-level welfare as a "safety net" (designed to at least stop people starving to death and rioting in the streets; ie to sweep poverty and associated ills under the carpet, until that fails...which is what we are now witnessing with youth crime. )

"You are living in poverty, your neighborhoods are like war zones, you young men are in prison...": Trump's America is futher down that road because of gross US inequality, but Oz is heading there.

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Money does not grow on trees, tgd.

So now we see the real driving force behind Conservatives' willingness to blame the victims of poverty for their 'lack of personal responsibilty' ie Conservatives are worried about taxation draining their own bank balance.

Hint: government COULD eradicate poverty by eliminating the hideous gross inequality which results from society believing (or accepting that) eg, Gina and other billionaires really "earnt" $22 billion by working for it. Madness.

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The money has to come from somewhere.

Actually it's RESOURCES which have to come from some- where - money is created out of thin air by the authorized goverment agencies and/or private banks.

To prove the point: you could give it a try if you are a good enough counterfeiter; you could live high on any amount of money created on your very own money machine...until your counterfeit was exposed.....

That's why I'm promoting a decent financial system which frees the public sector from dependency on the private sector, ie taxes imposed on you and me and all citizens who are governed by SELF-INTEREST and don't like paying taxes.

But I'm quessing until global catastrophes resulting from ever- increasing national debt (which is owed to private sector money lenders) become absolutely crippling for the world, ie global social catastrophes force the necessary change to allow public sector money creation, you will have to countence higher taxes, or see ever increasing divergences in wealth between citizes.

Because the rest of your post is based on your hip-pocket concerns (explained above) and the RW 'get out of gaol free' (ie tax minimization...even Packer did it..) and the 'personal responsibilty ace card, I will pass on it because we have covered all the issues before.

Except for your comment below:

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I should be more direct. You are one of those people on the free rides. The very idea of being made to work smart is so degrading to you that you wish someone would gang up on people like me and have me transferred to a desk job.

No; I religiously turned up to work every day of my entire working life, in a job I didn't particularly like; however I could save enough to look forward to and plan for a comfortable retirement....which was the incentive.

My biggest fear was LOSING MY JOB, hence my contempt for our UGLY economic system which forces people out of work (during macroeconomic downturns/national economic problems) to "save the economy" - as Bullock in the Reverse Bank (sic) is doing. Sick.

But I take my hat off to you for an honest debate, unlike graps who is descending into mental chaos.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #387 - Nov 25^th, 2024 at 6:43pm

Gnads wrote on Nov 25^th, 2024 at 6:07pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 25^th, 2024 at 9:01am:

Frank wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 6:35pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 6:21pm:

lee wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24^th, 2024 at 2:36pm:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/net-zero-carbon-emissions-climate#:~:text=Th...

It’s possible to reach net-zero carbon emissions. Here’s how

OK NET Zero is not Zero and there is NOTHING in the article talking about renewables being able to make PV's or wind Turbines including blades.

"Cutting carbon dioxide emissions to curb climate change is possible but not easy."

That's all we need to know; ie we have to cut CO2 emissions "to curb climate change"; and - by definition - once it's achieved, PVs and turbines etc (all manufacturing) will be built within the new net-zero green economy, with no ill effects on the climate., since CO2 emissions will stop increasing ('net zero').

It's like pulling teeth.....

Quote:

Once again reading the headlines rather than what it actually says. Grin

Still some rotten teeth there, I see.... Sad

China aint doing it. Nor India, Indonesia and the rest.
Why?

Developing country! Cheesy

China's manufacturing is twice the size of that of the US.

A third world dishonesty racket. And then they line up at the border as 'refugees'.
Lying, dishonest cheating bollocks.

Oh, but they are just like us!! CRAP.

fyi, China is now the world's largest producer of renewable energy, and is rapidly reducing the proportion of coal in its energy mix, should peak around 2030, on the way to net zero by 2060.

Do try to keep up.

Yeah cheap shyte to flog off - making a squillion on - to gullible western countries like us ... being run by ideologue lefty govts.

China is currently in some trouble owing to wrong advice from western trained economists in the PBofC.

But Chinese PVs EVs, turbines smart phones are top quality these days: Chinese consuners are discerning and voting with their feet, preferring BYDs to Teslas, and:

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Last year, Apple became the biggest smartphone vendor by shipments in China for the first time.
In 2023, Honor, a spin-off from Chinese company Huawei, held the second spot with 16.8% market share, followed by Vivo, Huawei and then Oppo.
One of the biggest changes in 2023 was Huawei’s return to the top five ranking in China in the fourth quarter.

Huawei rises again after being crippled by paranoid Western "security" nonsense....

And Indonesia chose China to build its first high speed rail system - the yanks, and Oz, don't even have high speed rail, China's system is the largest in the world.

No room for "cheap shyte" in HS rail.....requires cutting edge tech.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84583 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Reply #388 - Nov 25^th, 2024 at 8:39pm Leave 'em to stew in the conservative white man's construct of climate change.... no need to waste resources on them ...
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #389 - Nov 25^th, 2024 at 10:13pm

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2024 at 4:03pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 25^th, 2024 at 3:48pm:

Mothra, just ease up on the gullibility.

If I go about calling someone "gay", it it not necessarily a bad thing. But, you might not like the use of the term.

I remember when saying something seems "gay" meant something was "unusual". But, that is just another regional Qld term that got put into usage.

Did you invent that one too?

No. They were doing that kind of talk at school. Calling someone/something "gay" had been around for some time before I first heard it.

I was the originator of "Okay Boomer". Emu Park beach, circa 1991/early 1992. The inspiration was due to a game of frisbee being replaced by a game of boomerang throwing. My uncle, who was almost hit in the head by one of my errant throws, told me to warn him of me about to throw a boomerang. So, it became "Okay boomer-*throws the boomerang*-rang!". Then, when I realised the implications that my uncle was a Baby Boomer, the saying had new implications. It was shortened to "Okay boomer". And it stuck.

We went back to Yeppoon for the evening. And when people heard me snark back at my visiting uncle "Okay Boomer" to his moralising, the saying started making its rounds about the township. I kept saying the phrase to elder teachers in Rockhampton when I started high school. Friends adopted the saying. From then onwards, it took about 14 years before the "Rick and Morty" creator adopted the saying.

To be honest, I stopped using "Okay Boomer" in my second year of high school. Something serious happened in my life. But, when my life got better by the final year of high school, I decided to create as much chaos as my autistic arse could allow. Muck up week in my final weeks of high school was kind of a reimagination of my clean cut image.

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