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Reply #30 - Oct 14th, 2024 at 12:57pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:28am:
it takes a village to raise a child
and if a child doesnt feel the warmth of the love of the other villagers
that child will burn down the village to feel that warmth


Correct, but your conception of "the village" is obsolete; in today's global economies and supply chains, good government is vital to ensure well-functionig local economies in which the village can successfully raise the child.

This is wny you fall into Unsub's error, as I noted in my reply to him:

My contempt for your 'personal responsibility' mantra is extreme, indeed.

Poverty in rich countries is a choice of  systemic political dysfunction, caused by obsolete flat earth neoclassical economics; there is no shortage of essential resources in the modern world.


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being successful in business allows you the joy of mentoring the next wave of business people
if you are a chode, you despise the next wave of successful people and you will not help them


Your error: most small bunsiness fail....

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and we have very few people who want to experience the joy of mentoring the next generation.


Nonsense, most parents are dedicated to the 'joy of raising the next generation; but macroeconomic dysfunction  destroys the endevours of many eg the current cost of living crisis , and parents forced to raise their kids in cars (if they can hold it together enough to do that...) 

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people like moth think that a newly graduated naive 23 yo woke social worker is going to turn a 15 yo delinquents life around its not going to happen


You haven't asked her what her ideas re positive community intervention  actually are.

Obviously, social workers will be needed (unfortunately)  to play a part in fixing dysfunctional families caused by systemic socio economic disadvatage; the current problem with 'woke'  social workers is they operating in the disastrous politically entrenched 'welfare' system, which is really a poverty industry, not a true welfare system based on  universal abovepoverty participation in the economy (full employment)....don't tell mainstream fools like Bullock who believe in the voodoo of NAIRU, she will  have a heart attack. 

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and older men who should be mentoring and assisting tend to be driving around in big caravans with "spending the kids inheritance" emblazened on the side.

a big F you to that 15 yo


Retired men who haved worked their entire lives, to experience some freedom in their retirement, not necessarily mentoring wayward kids from broken families. 

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or they tend to be chattering away for 8 years about trump.

society does not care about 15 yo wayward boys.

they expect the government to step in and fix it


Government is required to implement 'the common welfare', and to eradicate socio economic disadvantage, naturally self-interested individuals can't do it alone (in "the village").   

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when i say that aboriginal youth have gone backwards on 17 of the 19 parameters since the closing the gap iniative, anyone who was not a liar (  you know, like trump) would say this is a widening the gap iniative.
can we expect action?
no


And I have explained why: first step, sack Bullock and her merry band of obsolete 'scarcity' voodoo practioners of the 'dismal science'. 

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the vested interests wont act and the society is just used to taking and getting and being entitled.


while some are laughing all the way to the bank, and others are sleeping in the doorways of CBD buildings, and housing starts are going backwards (because  housing is too expensive - the ultimate example of free market failure...)

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until the community takes personal responsibility, there will be no progress


Your error: the community's responsibility is manifested by government on behalf of the common welfare, and is is separate from personal responsibility of self-interested individuals seeking their own welfare in invisible hand markets. 
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #31 - Oct 14th, 2024 at 2:18pm
 
hi there great divide

the parable says "it takes a village to raise a child"

it doesnt say  "it takes a buereacracy to raise a child"  Smiley
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #32 - Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:05pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 12:57pm:
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people like moth think that a newly graduated naive 23 yo woke social worker is going to turn a 15 yo delinquents life around its not going to happen


You haven't asked her what her ideas re positive community intervention  actually are.






Hmmm, what did Mothra say?


mothra wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 8:17am:
Community outreach and mentoring. All the world over these have been the solutions to not a new or unique problem.

A 10 year old child should never be in custody. and it's happening right here in Australia and most people wouldn't have the foggiest.

it is a dark stain on our nation and can, at this point, only be seen as deliberate and sinister, knowing full well the consequences as we do.






Feel free to apologise when you're ready, Horseboy.

I won;t hold my breath.
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #33 - Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:09pm
 
mothra wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:13am:
Idiots.

Locking kids up leads to recidivism. Almost exclusively. It leads to long term interaction with law enforcement.

We know this. This is not revolutionary information. It's not "woke". It's not culturally Marxist.

It's simply the facts as we know them.

We also know that black kids are locked up (and zip tied) for crime white kids do every single day and barely register a reaction.

But until we break through the kind of absolute prejudice still infesting our society, so evident on this forum, we are going to get absolutely nowhere.

And i know you're all idiots, but the people actually designing this aren't ... although you share a common goal.



Not locking them up(judicial revolving door) also leads to recidivism.

Yours & the so called academic experts theories have failed.

We are reaping what has been sown over the past 3 decades and your to stupid to see it.

I know who the idiot is & you win in spades.(excuse the pun  Grin)
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #34 - Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:12pm
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:09pm:
mothra wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:13am:
Idiots.

Locking kids up leads to recidivism. Almost exclusively. It leads to long term interaction with law enforcement.

We know this. This is not revolutionary information. It's not "woke". It's not culturally Marxist.

It's simply the facts as we know them.

We also know that black kids are locked up (and zip tied) for crime white kids do every single day and barely register a reaction.

But until we break through the kind of absolute prejudice still infesting our society, so evident on this forum, we are going to get absolutely nowhere.

And i know you're all idiots, but the people actually designing this aren't ... although you share a common goal.



Not locking them up(judicial revolving door) also leads to recidivism.

Yours & the so called academic experts theories have failed.

We are reaping what has been sown over the past 3 decades and your to stupid to see it.

I know who the idiot is & you win in spades.(excuse the pun  Grin)


*you're

*too
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #35 - Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:13pm
 
mothra wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:05pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 12:57pm:
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people like moth think that a newly graduated naive 23 yo woke social worker is going to turn a 15 yo delinquents life around its not going to happen


You haven't asked her what her ideas re positive community intervention  actually are.






Hmmm, what did Mothra say?


mothra wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 8:17am:
Community outreach and mentoring. All the world over these have been the solutions to not a new or unique problem.

A 10 year old child should never be in custody. and it's happening right here in Australia and most people wouldn't have the foggiest.

it is a dark stain on our nation and can, at this point, only be seen as deliberate and sinister, knowing full well the consequences as we do.






Feel free to apologise when you're ready, Horseboy.

I won;t hold my breath.


so you agree we need to get the government out and get private citizens in ?
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #36 - Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:13pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 8:03am:
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Lower the age of criminal responsibility down to 10 years of again.


I would say no in general but there does need to be something for special cases and dangerous children.

A 10 year old is a child several years away from understanding consequences properly.


What? doesn't understand properly that murdering someone isn't wrong?

That breaking in, vandalising, stealing isn't wrong?

That bashing or stabbing isn't wrong?

You leftards are the poison that has turned our society into the lawless, irresponsible, run amok without consequence cesspit it is/has
become.
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #37 - Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:16pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:13pm:
mothra wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:05pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 12:57pm:
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people like moth think that a newly graduated naive 23 yo woke social worker is going to turn a 15 yo delinquents life around its not going to happen


You haven't asked her what her ideas re positive community intervention  actually are.






Hmmm, what did Mothra say?


mothra wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 8:17am:
Community outreach and mentoring. All the world over these have been the solutions to not a new or unique problem.

A 10 year old child should never be in custody. and it's happening right here in Australia and most people wouldn't have the foggiest.

it is a dark stain on our nation and can, at this point, only be seen as deliberate and sinister, knowing full well the consequences as we do.






Feel free to apologise when you're ready, Horseboy.

I won;t hold my breath.


so you agree we need to get the government out and get private citizens in ?


I don;t think even you know what "get the government out" means but nonetheless, it's a pretty stupid thing to say.

And where are all of these altruistic community leaders, Horseboy? What's stopping them?
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #38 - Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:20pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 5:59pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 4:38pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 2:28pm:
mothra wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:39am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:34am:
mothra,

If you live outside of Qld, please don't comment any further on this. You are obviously too woke and naive to know any better.


Get bent, Rocky.


Well - I guess that puts HIS little red wagon in the repair shop!!     Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin


Whenever mothra goes to get her engine light checked out, she goes cross-eyed for 20 minutes; forgets why she got into her car in the first place; and then 2-wheel reverse parks her car onto some shopping centre bollard. Afterwards, she eats at some sushi store, and awaits a phone call from local police.

That way, she knows that people will think that her car was stolen by car thieves. And the community will rally to her aid and have her car towed to the nearest autorepair store for some charitable engine rebuild.

Afterwards, all she has to do is an "Acknowledgement of Country" at school assemblies. She thinks that no one are the wiser about her scams.


A mostly ad hominem, nonsense narrative (unlike aquascoot's reply to mothra) 

You lose.... now back to sensible community intervention to solve the problem; aqua thinks volunteers will help... a worthwhile concept (but flawed as I explained).

graps ofcourse is his usual nasty self: lock'em up, bugger dealing with the causes of  bad behaviour.   


And unlike your repetitive cockwombling driveling diatribe.
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #39 - Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:23pm
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:13pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 8:03am:
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Lower the age of criminal responsibility down to 10 years of again.


I would say no in general but there does need to be something for special cases and dangerous children.

A 10 year old is a child several years away from understanding consequences properly.


What? doesn't understand properly that murdering someone isn't wrong?

That breaking in, vandalising, stealing isn't wrong?

That bashing or stabbing isn't wrong?

You leftards are the poison that has turned our society into the lawless, irresponsible, run amok without consequence cesspit it is/has
become.


Cheesy Cheesy
you should learn what that strange word 'consequences' means before totally embarrassing yourself like that
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #40 - Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:25pm
 
mothra wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:12pm:
Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:09pm:
mothra wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:13am:
Idiots.

Locking kids up leads to recidivism. Almost exclusively. It leads to long term interaction with law enforcement.

We know this. This is not revolutionary information. It's not "woke". It's not culturally Marxist.

It's simply the facts as we know them.

We also know that black kids are locked up (and zip tied) for crime white kids do every single day and barely register a reaction.

But until we break through the kind of absolute prejudice still infesting our society, so evident on this forum, we are going to get absolutely nowhere.

And i know you're all idiots, but the people actually designing this aren't ... although you share a common goal.



Not locking them up(judicial revolving door) also leads to recidivism.

Yours & the so called academic experts theories have failed.

We are reaping what has been sown over the past 3 decades and your to stupid to see it.

I know who the idiot is & you win in spades.(excuse the pun  Grin)


*you're

*too


That didn't change a thing ... you understood it & correcting the spelling was much like you& your ideals ... an irrelevancy.
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #41 - Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:27pm
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:23pm:
Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:13pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 8:03am:
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Lower the age of criminal responsibility down to 10 years of again.


I would say no in general but there does need to be something for special cases and dangerous children.

A 10 year old is a child several years away from understanding consequences properly.


What? doesn't understand properly that murdering someone isn't wrong?

That breaking in, vandalising, stealing isn't wrong?

That bashing or stabbing isn't wrong?

You leftards are the poison that has turned our society into the lawless, irresponsible, run amok without consequence cesspit it is/has
become.


Cheesy Cheesy
you should learn what that strange word 'consequences' means before totally embarrassing yourself like that


It doesn't need an "s" in the context it was written phukknuckle.

You should take some remedial English Guido.
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #42 - Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:31pm
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:27pm:
John Smith wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:23pm:
Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:13pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 8:03am:
Quote:
Lower the age of criminal responsibility down to 10 years of again.


I would say no in general but there does need to be something for special cases and dangerous children.

A 10 year old is a child several years away from understanding consequences properly.


What? doesn't understand properly that murdering someone isn't wrong?

That breaking in, vandalising, stealing isn't wrong?

That bashing or stabbing isn't wrong?

You leftards are the poison that has turned our society into the lawless, irresponsible, run amok without consequence cesspit it is/has
become.


Cheesy Cheesy
you should learn what that strange word 'consequences' means before totally embarrassing yourself like that


It doesn't need an "s" in the context it was written phukknuckle.

You should take some remedial English Guido.


Says the guy that just typed "your to stupid", hilariously.
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #43 - Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:34pm
 
mothra wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:31pm:
Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:27pm:
John Smith wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:23pm:
Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:13pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 8:03am:
Quote:
Lower the age of criminal responsibility down to 10 years of again.


I would say no in general but there does need to be something for special cases and dangerous children.

A 10 year old is a child several years away from understanding consequences properly.


What? doesn't understand properly that murdering someone isn't wrong?

That breaking in, vandalising, stealing isn't wrong?

That bashing or stabbing isn't wrong?

You leftards are the poison that has turned our society into the lawless, irresponsible, run amok without consequence cesspit it is/has
become.


Cheesy Cheesy
you should learn what that strange word 'consequences' means before totally embarrassing yourself like that


It doesn't need an "s" in the context it was written phukknuckle.

You should take some remedial English Guido.


Says the guy that just typed "your to stupid", hilariously.


Still no cigar - you irrelevance.

Being a spelling nazi is on a par for your overall demeanor.


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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #44 - Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:37pm
 
mothra wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:16pm:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:13pm:
mothra wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 5:05pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 12:57pm:
Quote:
people like moth think that a newly graduated naive 23 yo woke social worker is going to turn a 15 yo delinquents life around its not going to happen


You haven't asked her what her ideas re positive community intervention  actually are.






Hmmm, what did Mothra say?


mothra wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 8:17am:
Community outreach and mentoring. All the world over these have been the solutions to not a new or unique problem.

A 10 year old child should never be in custody. and it's happening right here in Australia and most people wouldn't have the foggiest.

it is a dark stain on our nation and can, at this point, only be seen as deliberate and sinister, knowing full well the consequences as we do.






Feel free to apologise when you're ready, Horseboy.

I won;t hold my breath.


so you agree we need to get the government out and get private citizens in ?


I don;t think even you know what "get the government out" means but nonetheless, it's a pretty stupid thing to say.

And where are all of these altruistic community leaders, Horseboy? What's stopping them?



an example of altruistic community leaders are those who (used to) run the riding for the disabled.

all free, no government input, no cost to taxpayers, the boys from john oxley juvenille detention used to attend as well, so that relevant

now, with the NDIS, the scheme is fairly moribund

we now have a plethora of grifters who buy a couple of off the track thoroughbreds (totally inappropriate) and then charge other grifters (the NDIS service providers) $300 an hour for disabled kids to come and pat a horse. no riding of course. these people wouldnt even know how to put a saddle on.

so the altruistic community builders are sidelined by a government scheme / scam

please let me know if you want more examples of your own stupid ideological position screwing up altruistic contributors  Roll Eyes
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