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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #420 - Dec 1^st, 2024 at 3:38pm

The cost of shipping - without the massive GAIA projects of Yond Grappler - would be astronomical... you can't just dump an industry in the heart of Australia with a couple of roads in and out.... throwing it up a single road...

Are you serious about persuading your Aboriginal mates to come to that kind of work? Bit Third World, innit? They want the CEO jobs - one bloke's got it - why can't they all have the same? Don't want the white man's way - REFUSE that - but demand the best white man's house etc.... without paying for it like all the silly dorks out there - those trapped in that neocon delusion, you know....

You know - this nonsense has to stop and soon.

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Reply #421 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 6:58am

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 1:46pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 6:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 1:55pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 1:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 27^th, 2024 at 1:12pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 27^th, 2024 at 8:17am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 26^th, 2024 at 3:03pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 26^th, 2024 at 1:27pm:

TGD:

Meantime the arguments over "woke" among the blind (most unawake) people here continue, when the nation faces exploding youth crime rates and a persistent black gap

How typically presumptuous of you.

The 'personal responsibility' mantra gives you away.

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And yet you can give no answers to remedy same without delving into your pipe dream ideologies.

Well....how about paying much higher taxes, to get rid of generational poverty and associated youth crime?

But I must warn you, the scale of the necessary government intervention will be costly for your bank balance, if you keep insisting the currency-issuing government can only fund itself with your money (via taxes) ....

The taxation rate in Australia is one of the highest in the world.

When the top rate amounts to nearly half every dollar you earn.... how much do you think is enough?

Income tax is only one tax. Wealth taxes, inheritance taxes, land taxes all need to be considered. See the Henry Tax review which is ignored by cowardly governments.

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Seems all you want to do is to drag every one down to the same level ..... poverty.

No. I want to end the insanity of Musk soon being the world's first $trillionaire (equivalent to the entire wealth of Oz) and the hideous idea that billionaires "earned" their wealth by "hard work" , when the system enabled such grotesque accumulation of wealth to individuals.
Indeed some aware ("woke") billionaires are urging governments to impose higher taxes on rich people, before capitalism collapses.

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Now what does that sound like??? Roll Eyes

"Dragging everyone down to the same level" ...that's the Conservative lie: ending hideous wealth accumlaition by some, and curbing soaring inequality is NOT "bringing everyone down to the same level".

Only your blind Conservative ideology can lead you to that error.

Meantime, I'm educating you:

"Money doesn't grow on rich people". Stephanie Kelton.

..provided government can have access to some of the nation's resources, before the rich comandeer them - like Gina has comandeered $22 billion of Oz iron wealth (Oz resources) for herself, with the connivance of government.

Deplorable.

Yes we are overtaxed .... and your answer is to tax us more. FFS you're as bad as any politician.

You think you are Roll Eyes

BHP, Fortesque and the Chinese own more Iron ore than Gina.

(sigh)the travails of educating Conservatives....

1. My answer is to tax billionaires more , not "we" - spot the difference?

Even aware millionaires/billionaires are urging higher tax rates on the wealthy: google 'Patriotic Millionaires'.

2. BHP is the world's largest mining COMPANY, whose CEO earns a fraction of what Gina 'earns'. And China has to BUY the stuff.

BS not when they own it.

Roy Hill Mining in WA is part owned by the Chinese - if anything Gine has been a middleman for Chinese interests ....... including The Kidman Cattle Co. portfolio.

Even if this is correct, Gina's holdings are a fraction of the big three who are NOT owned by China.

Now, back to taxation: you can't address it after being shown how and why to address it...

Deplorable.

You haven't shown how to address shyte.

The 2nd largest shareholder of Fortesque next to Andrew Forrest is Hunan State-Owned Assets Supervision & Admin. Commission

And......THE LARGEST SHAREHOLDER in Rio Tinto is .....

Aluminum Corporation of China: The largest shareholder with 14.57% of the company.

You should do your homework better. Grin

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #422 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 3:33pm

lee wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 2:30pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 1:41pm:

I thought you had in mind the junk-yard eyesores around the Alice, for example.

There is no recycling in Alice. Where should they go Darwin or Adelaide? Roll Eyes

Or setup a new industry where the costs are not problematic in Alice?

Smarter people than you will answer those questions.

Stay tuned, as the world transforms its economy to sustainable mode, via (inter alia) 100% recycling.

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And new industries must make a profit. Roll Eyes

Dummy, public-sector industries don't have to make a profit, they merely have to deliver the required service.

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I am so far ahead of you, you should stop now. Wink

Refuted above.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #423 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 3:43pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 3:38pm:

Are you serious about persuading your Aboriginal mates to come to that kind of work? Bit Third World, innit?

Some work is low skilled, but still vital and not easily amenable to automation.

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They want the CEO jobs

See how your erroneous premise (at the beginning) leads to you to a silly doozy like that, above...

aka GIGO.

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You know - this nonsense has to stop and soon.

Couldn't agree more....

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #424 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 4:09pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 3:33pm:

Smarter people than you will answer those questions.

But not you? Wink

Logic should extend to ways things would work, what are the limitations (if any), And how to feasibly overcome those limitations.

You have addressed none of these, you simply leave it in the hands of the "experts". Whether they be climate scientists, engineers or economists. You can't even bring yourself to question anything. You are a logic failure. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 3:33pm:

Stay tuned, as the world transforms its economy to sustainable mode, via (inter alia) 100% recycling.

There goes your belief system, again. Not everything is solvable. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 3:33pm:

Dummy, public-sector industries don't have to make a profit, they merely have to deliver the required service.

Ah so government funded welfare. Thank you. IF they don't make a profit they must be funded from somewhere. Failed logic again. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 3:33pm:

Refuted above.

You have refuted nothing. Merely restated YOUR opinions, which carry no weight. Failed logic again.

"to prove a statement, opinion, or belief to be wrong or false"

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/refute

To restate; you have proved nothing. Wink

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #425 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 4:28pm

lee wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 4:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 3:33pm:

Smarter people than you will answer those questions.

But not you? Wink

My excuse to get out of educating dummies like you; and yes, I will defer to the experts who (unlike you)

1. Know we have to transition to a sustainable, green economy.

2. Know what a sustainable green economy is.

3. And know how to engineer it.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #426 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 4:44pm

Gnads wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 6:58am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 1:46pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 6:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 1:55pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 1:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 27^th, 2024 at 1:12pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 27^th, 2024 at 8:17am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 26^th, 2024 at 3:03pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 26^th, 2024 at 1:27pm:

TGD:

Meantime the arguments over "woke" among the blind (most unawake) people here continue, when the nation faces exploding youth crime rates and a persistent black gap

How typically presumptuous of you.

The 'personal responsibility' mantra gives you away.

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And yet you can give no answers to remedy same without delving into your pipe dream ideologies.

Well....how about paying much higher taxes, to get rid of generational poverty and associated youth crime?

But I must warn you, the scale of the necessary government intervention will be costly for your bank balance, if you keep insisting the currency-issuing government can only fund itself with your money (via taxes) ....

The taxation rate in Australia is one of the highest in the world.

When the top rate amounts to nearly half every dollar you earn.... how much do you think is enough?

Income tax is only one tax. Wealth taxes, inheritance taxes, land taxes all need to be considered. See the Henry Tax review which is ignored by cowardly governments.

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Seems all you want to do is to drag every one down to the same level ..... poverty.

No. I want to end the insanity of Musk soon being the world's first $trillionaire (equivalent to the entire wealth of Oz) and the hideous idea that billionaires "earned" their wealth by "hard work" , when the system enabled such grotesque accumulation of wealth to individuals.
Indeed some aware ("woke") billionaires are urging governments to impose higher taxes on rich people, before capitalism collapses.

Quote:

Now what does that sound like??? Roll Eyes

"Dragging everyone down to the same level" ...that's the Conservative lie: ending hideous wealth accumlaition by some, and curbing soaring inequality is NOT "bringing everyone down to the same level".

Only your blind Conservative ideology can lead you to that error.

Meantime, I'm educating you:

"Money doesn't grow on rich people". Stephanie Kelton.

..provided government can have access to some of the nation's resources, before the rich comandeer them - like Gina has comandeered $22 billion of Oz iron wealth (Oz resources) for herself, with the connivance of government.

Deplorable.

Yes we are overtaxed .... and your answer is to tax us more. FFS you're as bad as any politician.

You think you are Roll Eyes

BHP, Fortesque and the Chinese own more Iron ore than Gina.

(sigh)the travails of educating Conservatives....

1. My answer is to tax billionaires more , not "we" - spot the difference?

Even aware millionaires/billionaires are urging higher tax rates on the wealthy: google 'Patriotic Millionaires'.

2. BHP is the world's largest mining COMPANY, whose CEO earns a fraction of what Gina 'earns'. And China has to BUY the stuff.

BS not when they own it.

Roy Hill Mining in WA is part owned by the Chinese - if anything Gine has been a middleman for Chinese interests ....... including The Kidman Cattle Co. portfolio.

Even if this is correct, Gina's holdings are a fraction of the big three who are NOT owned by China.

Now, back to taxation: you can't address it after being shown how and why to address it...

Deplorable.

You haven't shown how to address shyte.

The 2nd largest shareholder of Fortesque next to Andrew Forrest is Hunan State-Owned Assets Supervision & Admin. Commission

And......THE LARGEST SHAREHOLDER in Rio Tinto is .....

Aluminum Corporation of China: The largest shareholder with 14.57% of the company.

You should do your homework better. Grin

OK, I give in; China doesn't need to pay for Oz iron ore, because China already owns the ore, got it. Shocked

Yet China is importing over $100 billion of Oz ore annually, and supporting the very shaky Oz Treasury as well.....how does that work?

After you explain that, you might address the taxation issue which had you very agitated a few posts back, with you apparently not wanting to tax 'Gina's ore" wealth, (or any other grossly inequitable "earnings" attributed to all billionaires), wealth which in fact belongs to the Oz nation, despite your assertion it is "owned by the Chinese".

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #427 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 5:06pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 4:28pm:

1 Know we have to transition to a sustaimable, green economy.

Why do we need to transition to renewables, which are neither sustainable or green. Most cobalt is mined using Child labour - Green? Solar panels are made using fossil fuels - Green? Turbine blades are made using fossil fuels - Green? Fossil fuels are a finite resource- sustainable?

I know your dictionary is different to mine, but that different? Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 4:28pm:

2. Know what a sustainable green economy is

You haven't been able to show it. Why is that? Why has NO manufacturing economy actually proved it? Surely the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and all you have is four and twenty blackbirds. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 4:28pm:

3. And know how to engineer it.

And yet they haven't to date done so. That means theoretical "knowledge". If the result of your experiment doesn't agree with your theory, then the theory is wrong. When you don't even have the experiment, you are woefully wrong. Wink

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #428 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 9:52am

lee wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 5:06pm:

And yet they haven't to date done so.

China just connected Gobi-desert-sourced renewables to the east coast using UHV tranmission tech, on the path to achieving net zero by 2060.

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That means theoretical "knowledge".

Only to a dummy who rejects scientific and engineering progress.

Poor lee, displaying the inadequacies of the Conservative brain, wants to maintain the fithy, injurious to health, price-gouging, private fossil industry whose days are numbered.

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Reply #429 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 12:34pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 9:52am:

China just connected Gobi-desert-sourced renewables to the east coast using UHV tranmission tech, on the path to achieving net zero by 2060.

You do know NET zero is NOT ZERO. So they anticipate using fossil fuels further than 2060, even IF they achieve NET zero by then.

You seem to think pathways are proof positive of success. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 9:52am:

Only to a dummy who rejects scientific and engineering progress.

You still haven't answered the questions.

1. What do the scientists agree on?
2. What do the scientists NOT agree on?
3. What do the scientists admit they just don't know?

Engineering progress is NOT a surefire way of achieving engieering success. Many engineering products had great potential at first blush. I guess you have never heard of engineering failures. Roll Eyes

Your choice of "experts" are only those that agree with you. That is known as 'confirmation bias'. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 9:52am:

Poor lee, displaying the inadequacies of the Conservative brain, wants to maintain the fithy, injurious to health, price-gouging, private fossil industry whose days are numbered.

One again relying on emotions rather than facts. Have you found the eponymous EPA study that came to the PM2.5 conclusion? Grin

BTW - I notice you have dropped 'green' and 'sustainable'. Wink

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Reply #430 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:00pm

Anyway - looks like the child gangstahs are going to confinement - The Park is looking the rosiest option now, given that their re-education would be entirely under responsible and reliable Elders with a view to teaching them to bridge the gap(sic) between their cultural adherence to savage infantilism and their duty to live responsibly and prosper in the modern world....

How many gaps would that close?

MOST!!

P.S. Aquascoot Young Criminal Rehabilitation System.... teach 'em something that will give them pride, ownership and direction in life....

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Reply #431 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:47pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 4:28pm:

lee wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 4:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 3:33pm:

Smarter people than you will answer those questions.

But not you? Wink

My excuse to get out of educating dummies like you; and yes, I will defer to the experts who (unlike you)

1. Know we have to transition to a sustainable, green economy.

2. Know what a sustainable green economy is.

3. And know how to engineer it.

You're so far up yourself it must hurt?

1. Know - no we don't.

2. you obviously don't.

3. you obviously don't ...... and neither do all the ideologues - educated or not - like you.

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Reply #432 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:52pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 4:44pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 6:58am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 1:46pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 6:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 1:55pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 1:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 27^th, 2024 at 1:12pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 27^th, 2024 at 8:17am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 26^th, 2024 at 3:03pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 26^th, 2024 at 1:27pm:

TGD:

Meantime the arguments over "woke" among the blind (most unawake) people here continue, when the nation faces exploding youth crime rates and a persistent black gap

How typically presumptuous of you.

The 'personal responsibility' mantra gives you away.

Quote:

And yet you can give no answers to remedy same without delving into your pipe dream ideologies.

Well....how about paying much higher taxes, to get rid of generational poverty and associated youth crime?

But I must warn you, the scale of the necessary government intervention will be costly for your bank balance, if you keep insisting the currency-issuing government can only fund itself with your money (via taxes) ....

The taxation rate in Australia is one of the highest in the world.

When the top rate amounts to nearly half every dollar you earn.... how much do you think is enough?

Income tax is only one tax. Wealth taxes, inheritance taxes, land taxes all need to be considered. See the Henry Tax review which is ignored by cowardly governments.

Quote:

Seems all you want to do is to drag every one down to the same level ..... poverty.

No. I want to end the insanity of Musk soon being the world's first $trillionaire (equivalent to the entire wealth of Oz) and the hideous idea that billionaires "earned" their wealth by "hard work" , when the system enabled such grotesque accumulation of wealth to individuals.
Indeed some aware ("woke") billionaires are urging governments to impose higher taxes on rich people, before capitalism collapses.

Quote:

Now what does that sound like??? Roll Eyes

"Dragging everyone down to the same level" ...that's the Conservative lie: ending hideous wealth accumlaition by some, and curbing soaring inequality is NOT "bringing everyone down to the same level".

Only your blind Conservative ideology can lead you to that error.

Meantime, I'm educating you:

"Money doesn't grow on rich people". Stephanie Kelton.

..provided government can have access to some of the nation's resources, before the rich comandeer them - like Gina has comandeered $22 billion of Oz iron wealth (Oz resources) for herself, with the connivance of government.

Deplorable.

Yes we are overtaxed .... and your answer is to tax us more. FFS you're as bad as any politician.

You think you are Roll Eyes

BHP, Fortesque and the Chinese own more Iron ore than Gina.

(sigh)the travails of educating Conservatives....

1. My answer is to tax billionaires more , not "we" - spot the difference?

Even aware millionaires/billionaires are urging higher tax rates on the wealthy: google 'Patriotic Millionaires'.

2. BHP is the world's largest mining COMPANY, whose CEO earns a fraction of what Gina 'earns'. And China has to BUY the stuff.

BS not when they own it.

Roy Hill Mining in WA is part owned by the Chinese - if anything Gine has been a middleman for Chinese interests ....... including The Kidman Cattle Co. portfolio.

Even if this is correct, Gina's holdings are a fraction of the big three who are NOT owned by China.

Now, back to taxation: you can't address it after being shown how and why to address it...

Deplorable.

You haven't shown how to address shyte.

The 2nd largest shareholder of Fortesque next to Andrew Forrest is Hunan State-Owned Assets Supervision & Admin. Commission

And......THE LARGEST SHAREHOLDER in Rio Tinto is .....

Aluminum Corporation of China: The largest shareholder with 14.57% of the company.

You should do your homework better. Grin

OK, I give in; China doesn't need to pay for Oz iron ore, because China already owns the ore, got it. Shocked

Yet China is importing over $100 billion of Oz ore annually, and supporting the very shaky Oz Treasury as well.....how does that work?

After you explain that, you might address the taxation issue which had you very agitated a few posts back, with you apparently not wanting to tax 'Gina's ore" wealth, (or any other grossly inequitable "earnings" attributed to all billionaires), wealth which in fact belongs to the Oz nation, despite your assertion it is "owned by the Chinese".

Stupid Australian politicians & greedy entrepreneurs.

Absolute assumptive bollocks.

I actually don't like Gina much, all inherited wealth - though she seems to be able to increase that wealth.

Unless you have your head firmly planted up your backside then you'd know how many pies the Chinese...

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Reply #434 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:58pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 9:52am:

lee wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 5:06pm:

And yet they haven't to date done so.

China just connected Gobi-desert-sourced renewables to the east coast using UHV tranmission tech, on the path to achieving net zero by 2060.

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That means theoretical "knowledge".

Only to a dummy who rejects scientific and engineering progress.

Poor lee, displaying the inadequacies of the Conservative brain, wants to maintain the fithy, injurious to health, price-gouging, private fossil industry whose days are numbered.

What are Gobi Desert renewables?

Don't tell me - the Chinese have covered the Mongolians desert areas with mega solar panels and wind turbines? .....

I bet a whole lot of consultation went into that.

You really are a clueless clot.

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