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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #450 - Dec 6th, 2024 at 11:08am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 10:14pm:
Dividie??  Net zero age of responsibility? 


Ah -ha: poor graps continues to be confused by lee's nonsense, as I warned in my previous post.

Lets read on: 

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Is that your allusion?  Not ILLUSION...


No, it's YOUR confusion....

Never fear, I have banished lee's ignorant climate theories (in my previous post) from this thread, so you won't  able to accuse me of being responsible for your confusion, from now on.

Now, stop being a blind Conservative twit like lee,  and address the causes of youth crime, without the navel gazing re 'the age of criminal responsibility'.

Thank you.  Sad  

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #451 - Dec 6th, 2024 at 1:00pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:58am:
Yes...beyond your low IQ abiliy to understand: as we approach Zero,  net zero might be a necessary step to  Zero (eg, if non fossil  technology to create plastics hasn't yet been disci overed).


So now you don't know. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:58am:
The AGW-CO2 scientists know, dummy; both pre and post Industrial Revolution. 


And yet it is never cited. So how do YOU know that they KNOW. You know pre-industrial takes in the LIA. A time of starvation anf famine. And you want to go back to those times. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

BTW - the ice cores show that CO2 rises before temperature rises. So your KNOWLEDGE is seriously deficient.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:58am:
Backed by scientists.


Really? Water boils at 100C, salt water slightly higher. The reported ocean temperature in ONE part of the USA got to around 100F (something less than 38C). And you reckon scientists backed that? They must be numerically deficient, IF they did, something I don't recall happening. But I am sure you will read between the lines somewhere. Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:58am:
Correct. So pull your finger out and transition to renewables ASAP.


So what you really want is to take the world back from 150 years of growth. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:58am:
Again...the highlighted is correct, but the opening sentence is BS: filthy fossils are injurious to the environment and humans, as well as the climate.


So he only got it part right, part wrong and only YOU know the difference. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:58am:
Dummy, you haven't addressed the thread's title, nor the underlying problem, ie, the cause of youth crime. I'm asking for your solution, other than graps "locking them up". 



Nope. So you quoted something trhat wasn't even attributable to me. That is so YOU. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grinthegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:58am:
Refuted above, though poor dumb lee can't see it.


Poor tgd, believes he refutes things, whereas he merely disagrees. Refutation requires proof. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:58am:
Now, move your ignorant  "clean fossils" and "climate hoax" theories to where they belong; I won't be discussing them further  here, because graps is easily confused...


And yet you are the one that keeps trying to prove me wrong, and fails.

And you expect the Government to fund your lifestyle? Wow.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

But I see you left out what the IPCC has concluded. Wink
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #452 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 9:35am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 4th, 2024 at 8:58am:
expert (n) - a has-been under pressure and capable only of dribbling.


Those are retired/retiring NBA players over the age of 35.
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Reply #453 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 9:37am
 
Jasin wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:55pm:
Kids having babies at 16.
Roll Eyes


What of it?
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #454 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 9:52am
 
Gnads wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:47pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 4:28pm:
lee wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 4:09pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 3:33pm:
Smarter people than you will answer those  questions.

But not you? Wink
 

My excuse to  get out of educating  dummies like you; and yes,  I will defer to the experts who (unlike you)

1. Know we have to transition to a sustainable, green economy.

2. Know what a sustainable green economy is.

3. And know how to engineer it. 




You're so far up yourself it must hurt?

1. Know - no we don't.

2. you obviously don't.

3. you obviously don't ...... and neither do all the ideologues - educated or not - like you.


It is unlike me to defend thegreatdivide. But, on this occasion, he is right. We do have the capabilities to transition to a more environmentally sustainable economy. The thing is, the transition is not going to happen in a short space of time (within 5 years). And international macroeconomics will have to undergo a similar transition for Australia to be under any pressure to need to change to this environmentally sustainable economy.

The thing about Australia's economy is our ever reliant need to dig up natural resources and send it to China. And if we stop doing that, then the country will stop having money.

What Australia focuses upon is the need to keep the biodiversity either sustained or maintained. If we lose our ability to keep pests and diseases out of the country, I will lose the ability to keep my job washing dishes. I realise that the quarantining procedures in Australia is such that we could handle an outbreak. And, therefore, Australia should be able to do our job of keeping an environmentally sustainable economy functioning, without going over the top and losing our export industries to some ecoNazis.
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Reply #455 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 12:17pm
 
Banana Republics don't have green energy - they try to have supplies of old wood to burn for cooking and heating etc... burns better with less smoke....

MY statement - macroeconomic and microeconomics desperately needs overhaul, along with all the social issues that create the current environment of New Robber Barons, which includes our political class, imposing Economic Feudalism on the majority... just not your way.

I have the answers - not you ...... all you have is dogma or lack of knowledge and understanding....

First we'll resolve the underlying issues for this country - install a Two State Solution and fully review and revamp immigration, install deportation or exile of malefactor .... divorce from the 'global economy' and its stable mate 'internationalism' or 'equalising all worldwide in equal poverty for the majority but not those who install it' (nothing new there) ... drain the billabongs first - then count the remaining crocodiles ... regain control of our own Homeland and then create a better world for those deemed worthy of remaining here.... tax people who ship funds to tax havens for every cent they bring in or take out.... impose new rules for business Offshore to operate here with minimum tax payable (sort the sheep from the goats ... the vultures from the eagles we have hooded on the hand) ...

It's a big ask .. requiring a big man.....   Cool .. a man of vision and of dedication to right first and foremost ...

You bring the slippery slope to determining eligibility and I'll bring the grease ...
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #456 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 12:43pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 9:52am:
We do have the capabilities to transition to a more environmentally sustainable economy. The thing is, the transition is not going to happen in a short space of time (within 5 years). And international macroeconomics will have to undergo a similar transition for Australia to be under any pressure to need to change to this environmentally sustainable economy.


Spot on Unsub.

The sad fact is people think the necessary transition to a global green economy can happen under the current global financial arrangements headed by the IMF ("Instant Misery Fund" )  and WTO "free trade"  agreements.    It can't.

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The thing about Australia's economy is our ever reliant need to dig up natural resources and send it to China. And if we stop doing that, then the country will stop having money.


Yes - under the current obsolete 'every man/country for himself/itself, which is why agreement can't be reached on how to fund the transition. 

(I have discussed a new system often enough, in the MMT thread; the IMF and World Bnak could be authorized to issue national currencies as required, to fund a just transition for all.  Co-operation, not competition, is required for the green transition to to be equitably achieved. Not surpringly, COP29 only kicked the 'funding can' down the road...)

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What Australia focuses upon is the need to keep the biodiversity either sustained or maintained. If we lose our ability to keep pests and diseases out of the country, I will lose the ability to keep my job washing dishes. I realise that the quarantining procedures in Australia is such that we could handle an outbreak. And, therefore, Australia should be able to do our job of keeping an environmentally sustainable economy functioning, without going over the top and losing our export industries to some ecoNazis.


All good, except the point re losing income from fossil fuel exports - which will have to cease ASAP, in coordination with the rest of the world.

The HOW that can be achieved outlined above. 
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #457 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 1:17pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 12:17pm:
Banana Republics don't have green energy - they try to have supplies of old wood to burn for cooking and heating etc... burns better with less smoke....


Your error: they don't try to do that,  they are FORCED to do it because of poor economic conditions/development.

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MY statement - macroeconomic and microeconomics desperately needs overhaul, along with all the social issues that create the current environment of New Robber Barons, which includes our political class, imposing Economic Feudalism on the majority... just not your way.


So we are arguing over the TYPE of new macro-economics required?

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I have the answers - not you ...... all you have is dogma or lack of knowledge and understanding....


I admire your boundless self-confidence,  it's up there with Trump's.....  Huh

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First we'll resolve the underlying issues for this country - install a Two State Solution and fully review and revamp immigration, install deportation or exile of malefactor ....


Won't work, too many blacks (and whites claiming to be black) are already fully integrated into Oz's modern white economy, they won't accept their black brethren being separated into an apartheid-style 2 state solution.

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divorce from the 'global economy' and its stable mate 'internationalism' or 'equalising all worldwide in equal poverty for the majority but not those who install it' (nothing new there) ...


There's your blind Conservative lie again - deliberately, or ignorantly equating eradication of poverty with equality of outcome. Deplorable.

Proving that - despite your self-confidence  -  you remain uneducable.


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  drain the billabongs first...


Ill pass on the rambling narrative; examining macroeconomic systems requires precise understanding of the nature of money, and the difference between maco and micro economics. 

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It's a big ask .. requiring a big man.....   Cool .. a man of vision and of dedication to right first and foremost ...


Indeed.

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You bring the slippery slope to determining eligibility and I'll bring the grease ...


Your error: we all have the right AND  responsibility  to participate in the economy; and it's the government's responsibility to ensure that outcome is achieved with no-one living in systemic/generational  poverty.

No "slippery slope" involved.
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Reply #458 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 4:33pm
 
"Banana Republics don't have green energy - they try to have supplies of old wood to burn for cooking and heating etc... burns better with less smoke....


Your error: they don't try to do that,  they are FORCED to do it because of poor economic conditions/development."

So - to your way of thinking the forward-thinking and positive minded Neo-Serf will not make efforts to have a supply of firewood?

Their being forced to do so - as opposed to the current approach - is precisely the question.. but a different question ..... so I will say again - Banana Republics don't have Green energy.

Now - who is forcing the Borneo hill tribes to gather firewood instead of turning on the air con and TV?  Who is forcing the Aborigines to adhere to 'traditional' ways while watching the TV and cracking a tinny?
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Reply #459 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 5:04pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 4:33pm:
So - to your way of thinking the forward-thinking and positive minded Neo-Serf will not make efforts to have a supply of firewood?


See the result of lee leading you astray, you better stick to the thread topic. ....(note: "positive minded neo serfs", like the rest of us, will need to transition to green technologies, with World Bank assistance if required).   

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Who is forcing the Aborigines to adhere to 'traditional' ways while watching the TV and cracking a tinny?


Answer: the current false neoclassical economic orthodoxy which forces the people who are least able to compete in the job market into welfare dependency.

Hope that helps.  ...(looking for the appropriate emoji....)
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Reply #460 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 6:07pm
 
Lowering the boom on the age of the criminal green economy - is not the same as lowering the age of criminal responsibility.

You've wandered far into the madding crowd...

We're not discussing WHY they are in the position they are in ..... we are discussing whether or not the age of criminal responsibility should be lowered and if it is - what effects it will have.  Being poor and disadvantaged is no excuse for crime.... the discussion is the age at which they should be held to be fully criminally liable for their criminal actions.
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Reply #461 - Dec 8th, 2024 at 12:36pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 6:07pm:
Lowering the boom on the age of the criminal green economy - is not the same as lowering the age of criminal responsibility.


Apart from the fact  the highlighted is one of your  typically  incomprehensible pieces of nonsense - even if it's intended to push lee's 'climate hoax'theories, the wide-spread  attempt - and disputation - to determine the age of criminal responsibiliy is merely a diversion to avoid examining the causes of youth crime.

Deplorable.

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You've wandered far into the madding crowd...
 

Really?  Let's read on...

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We're not discussing WHY they are in the position they are in ..... we are discussing whether or not the age of criminal responsibility should be lowered and if it is - what effects it will have.  Being poor and disadvantaged is no excuse for crime.... the discussion is the age at which they should be held to be fully criminally liable for their criminal actions.


The high-lighted: your error. 

Being poor and disadvataged is assocaited with higher crime rates.

google

   Poverty and socioeconomic factors are linked to crime in Australia, as shown by the following statistics:

Poverty rates

In 2019-2020, 13% of Australians, including almost 800,000 children, lived below the poverty line. The average income for households living in poverty is less than half of the poverty line.

Juvenile crime

Poverty, single-parent families, and crowded dwellings can increase the rate of child neglect, which is a major factor in juvenile crime.


Do try to keep up.... Sad


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Reply #462 - Dec 8th, 2024 at 1:21pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 12:36pm:
even if it's intended to push lee's 'climate hoax'theories,



Another non sequitur from you. You just can't help your over-emotional state. You have provided nothing. Except of course those unnamed "experts". But tell us how exactly did you decide they were "experts"? The most appearances in a Google-fu search? From one of your select group of experts nominating another? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #463 - Dec 8th, 2024 at 4:08pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 1:21pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 12:36pm:
even if it's intended to push lee's 'climate hoax'theories,



Another non sequitur from you.


The "non sequitur" is actually the illogicallity in graps nonsense narrative, which  you are attempting to support by blaming his nonsense  on me, in a laughable Laurel and Hardy passing  the baton routine.

Now...back to the topic, dummy; you will see it at the top of the page.... 


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Reply #464 - Dec 8th, 2024 at 4:36pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 4:08pm:
The "non sequitur" is actually the illogicallity in graps nonsense narrative, which  you are attempting to support by blaming his nonsense  on me, in a laughable Laurel and Hardy passing  the baton routine.

Now...back to the topic, dummy; you will see it at the top of the page.... 



And yet YOU are trhe one who constantly brings up "climate hoax". Grin Grin Grin Grin
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