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Reply #480 - Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:32am
 
Aurora Complexus wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 3:01am:
There are plenty of Aborigines in Queensland and Western Australia too. Why is it only in the NT that these attempts to substitute rule for law for parental responsibility, are always making the news?

Seems Howard's "little children are sacred" intervention didn't seem to work.

Perhaps parents react to government over-reach, by being even worse parents ...



It did work.

When LABOR removed the "intervention measures" & cashless debit cards women elders in communities all over the Territory wanted it back - because the rates of sexual assault, DV, child sexual abuse went through the roof.

In case you didn't notice Territorians kicked Labor to the kerb in a massive defeat at the last election.

The same has happened in QLD. that too driven by the voting public being fed up with the rampant youth crime rate & the revolving door of the Youth Justice system.

Piss weak ineffectual Labor legislation & attitudes towards crime.

Victims don't count for them.
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Reply #481 - Dec 10th, 2024 at 9:45am
 
Gnads wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:11am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 9:37am:
Jasin wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:55pm:
Kids having babies at 16.
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What of it?


Well they shouldn't be you idiot. Roll Eyes


Pyramid builders had a life expectancy of about 21-22 - as long as their teeth lasted basically..... so they bred early ..... like our nomadic hunter-gatherers with their short lifespan - they rooted fast, bred fast and died fast... and sadly for them and for certain other tribal types still lost in the mists of history - their 'culture' still insists on that.

That is one reason they are so backward in education and jobs etc... with some exceptions - young men and women are still instilled with the idea of breeding fast etc in case they die or are killed.  Like The Mad Musso From Mecca type - they simply cannot see that they are now in a country with excellent healthcare and increasing longevity.  The bastards breed like flies!!

Did you know that during the 'genocide' - the actual Arab population of Gaza GREW by 50,000?  They breed like Phar Khen flies!!

Now then - about those idiots in politics and 'education' who have started and are continuing a war against 'boomers' and other olders (Elders in PC - SS parlance) as they come on line - without first considering that those now longer-living boomers etc could and would happily do something constructive as a job. 

Do you know how many old blokes and women are in the Rural Fire Service volunteers?  Marine Rescue volunteers?  And all such?  You take all those for granted - until your boat turns over and the sharks are circling or the fires have your house surrounded.

Do you think they are all RICH!  The RICH bastards don't DO 'service to the people', you silly twats.  They lie back in luxury and the hardest work they do is in the gym and on the tan bed.

It's MOSTLY the older people who fill those spots while young assholes whine about how their future was stolen by people who worked like dogs to get a home etc, and in most cases, never had an overseas holiday or a flash car, let alone an investment portfolio or a property portfolio.
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #482 - Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:18pm
 
Gnads wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:11am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 9:37am:
Jasin wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:55pm:
Kids having babies at 16.
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Well they shouldn't be you idiot. Roll Eyes


"Well" excuuuse me. I happen to be proud of my adult children. It is YOU that needs to work the 60 hours a week and have your income tax pay for my children's upkeep, whilst I drink away the days and wonder "what if I actually got a full time job at 15 years of age and worked the last 30 years of my life".

At least you would not be reading my posts on a discussion forum.
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Reply #483 - Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:33pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:18pm:
Gnads wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:11am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 9:37am:
Jasin wrote on Dec 5th, 2024 at 6:55pm:
Kids having babies at 16.
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What of it?


Well they shouldn't be you idiot. Roll Eyes


"Well" excuuuse me. I happen to be proud of my adult children. It is YOU that needs to work the 60 hours a week and have your income tax pay for my children's upkeep, whilst I drink away the days and wonder "what if I actually got a full time job at 15 years of age and worked the last 30 years of my life".

At least you would not be reading my posts on a discussion forum.



Case proven.

16 yr old girls should not be having babies.

16 yr old irresponsible idiots like you were should be double bricked.
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Reply #484 - Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:34pm
 
I was shot in the shoulder at the age of 10 years. I went and treated myself to wound repair, which included digging out the projectile. I kept quiet about what happened because you don't report those kinds of people. When the gunman found out that I was going to keep quiet, he decided that he would not finish the job.

I was subjected to death threats between the ages of 9 to about 14 years of age. I found out in my adulthood that I was subjected to bs from some mouth breather pederast that did not like the fact that I found out about his lifestyle choice. He also claimed to have some ancestry of people that were made citizens of Australia in 1967. Somehow, he thought that it was special.

Turning 12, I was getting to a point where I just started to give up on worrying about what adults thought. I became a father at age 12 to about 3 women -- (or should I say, 2 adult women and a girl my age). To my knowledge, all three babies were girls. I did not care. Everyone kept quiet about my situation. In fact, one of the adult women wanted to have another baby with me, even when I was still well below the legal age. The other considered having another baby. But, she decided to concentrate on her well-paying career. The girl my age decided to give up her baby for adoption and concentrate on being a teenager.

You might say that teenagers should not be having children before they are financially ready. But, I am a person who was never going to be financially ready whilst I have issues to deal with. My daughter actually became my supervisor a few years ago, and I had not problem with that. I just don't really want to tell my parents who she is. I just have to contend with my parents accepting that I am a sperm donor.
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Reply #485 - Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:39pm
 
Gnads wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:33pm:
Case proven.

16 yr old girls should not be having babies.

16 yr old irresponsible idiots like you were should be double bricked.


There are people like me who did not give a damn about using condoms when they were 12 years of age sleeping with adult women. But, my children grew up in loving families and became very good adults. I think I have an unofficial national record of being the youngest grandfather at age 29. My daughter had her first son, at age 17.
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Reply #486 - Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:41pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:39pm:
Gnads wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:33pm:
Case proven.

16 yr old girls should not be having babies.

16 yr old irresponsible idiots like you were should be double bricked.


There are people like me who did not give a damn about using condoms when they were 12 years of age sleeping with adult women. But, my children grew up in loving families and became very good adults. I think I have an unofficial national record of being the youngest grandfather at age 29. My daughter had her first son, at age 17.



The perpetuation of feral welfare bludgers  Roll Eyes
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Reply #487 - Dec 10th, 2024 at 5:13pm
 
Gnads wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:41pm:
The perpetuation of feral welfare bludgers  Roll Eyes


Given that I have a grudge I hold against the state and federal governments since 1988, I don't care if I have another 100 children to 30 different women before I turn 50 years of age. The government (taxpayer) can pay for their upkeep.

And what does it matter, anyway? My children have turned out to be very good people. They inherited the good traits that I have. Had they been shot at and abused since childhood like I was, they probably would have been long-term welfare recipients like me.

They are not feral welfare bludgers. Two are actual fashion models for the local scene. One plays football. Just about all of them of working age do 20 to 50 hours per week (which is more than I do). Realistically, I doubt the region could do without them keeping the decency of the town at a respectable level.
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Reply #488 - Dec 10th, 2024 at 5:30pm
 
Gnads wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:22am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 9:52am:
Gnads wrote on Dec 3rd, 2024 at 6:47pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 4:28pm:
lee wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 4:09pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 3:33pm:
Smarter people than you will answer those  questions.

But not you? Wink
 

My excuse to  get out of educating  dummies like you; and yes,  I will defer to the experts who (unlike you)

1. Know we have to transition to a sustainable, green economy.

2. Know what a sustainable green economy is.

3. And know how to engineer it. 




You're so far up yourself it must hurt?

1. Know - no we don't.

2. you obviously don't.

3. you obviously don't ...... and neither do all the ideologues - educated or not - like you.


It is unlike me to defend thegreatdivide. But, on this occasion, he is right. We do have the capabilities to transition to a more environmentally sustainable economy. The thing is, the transition is not going to happen in a short space of time (within 5 years). And international macroeconomics will have to undergo a similar transition for Australia to be under any pressure to need to change to this environmentally sustainable economy.

The thing about Australia's economy is our ever reliant need to dig up natural resources and send it to China. And if we stop doing that, then the country will stop having money.

What Australia focuses upon is the need to keep the biodiversity either sustained or maintained. If we lose our ability to keep pests and diseases out of the country, I will lose the ability to keep my job washing dishes. I realise that the quarantining procedures in Australia is such that we could handle an outbreak. And, therefore, Australia should be able to do our job of keeping an environmentally sustainable economy functioning, without going over the top and losing our export industries to some ecoNazis.


Well don't try & defend the indefensible

and no he is not right.

When Australia is responsible for a little over 1% of the total global emissions it's ridiculous that we are on a headlong path backwards towards unreliable power supply, brown & blackouts.


Looking forward is not your strong suit....

When the rest of the world  has transitioned, Oz will have no markets for its coal, and won't be able to import nuclear technology from a disgusted world.   And we would be facing all sorts of trade barriers.   

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It not progress it's regression - it's not green, it's not clean and it certainly is a misnomer to call it renewable.
 

Wrong of course; 10 snowy2.0s (on the  GDR) and ten Suncable equivalenet plus wind,  can easily supply green power for 26 million people living on the edge of a vast sunny desert.

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It will open up more environmentally destructive mining in the chase for the rare earths & minerals required to make solar panels - plus the fossil fuels still required in the manufacture of wind turbines.


Not when the ten snowys; etc are powered by clean energy. 

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Reply #489 - Dec 10th, 2024 at 5:42pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 9:45am:
It's MOSTLY the older people who fill those spots while young assholes whine about how their future was stolen by people who worked like dogs to get a home etc, and in most cases, never had an overseas holiday or a flash car, let alone an investment portfolio or a property portfolio.


Cost of housing cf the median wage has tripled (or more) in the past four decades, hence fewer young people can even dream of owning a houses these days.

And home ownership rates are falling, not because young people are spendthrifts. ...
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Reply #490 - Dec 10th, 2024 at 5:50pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 5:30pm:
Wrong of course; 10 snowy2.0s (on the  GDR) and ten Suncable equivalenet plus wind,  can easily supply green power for 26 million people living on the edge of a vast sunny desert.


So what is the cost of these? Is it Government money or philanthropic billionaires?

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 5:30pm:
Not when the ten snowys; etc are powered by clean energy.


So what is the fuel of choice for these mines? And don't forget, despite your protestations to the contrary, no-one has said the renewables can be manufactured from renewables. Unless of course, you have suddenly found one? Roll Eyes
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Reply #491 - Dec 10th, 2024 at 5:59pm
 
Gnads wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 8:32am:
Piss weak ineffectual Labor legislation & attitudes towards crime.


OK, but when you have locked up the wrongdoers, and even restricted grog,  and reinstated the cashless welfare card, what then?

Telling people to "get a job" won't work if they cant compete in the regular job market, and are forced  onto the unemployment scrap heap (aka ironically called the 'welfare safery net').   

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Victims don't count for them.


Certainly they think it's cheaper to  ignore the  victims than to deal with the causes of crime.
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Household income, neglect and juvenile crime

The study argued that policies designed to reduce the level of economic stress or attenuate its effects, and early intervention programs designed to reduce the risk of child neglect, have an important role to play in long-term crime prevention.

Findings of the study for urban areas were that juvenile participation in crime (measured as rates of Children's Court appearances for property or violent offences) was positively correlated with the following measures of social and economic stress: poverty, unemployment, single parent families, residential stability, and crowded dwellings.


It's obvious your "adult crime, adult time" method, by itself,  won't solve youth crime.  
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Reply #492 - Dec 10th, 2024 at 6:16pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:52am:
Deep is the paranoia in this one  - I scarcely notice 'lee' here....


Pull the other one...

You never created crazy narratives combining 'age of criminal  responsibilty' with your reworkings of lee's 'climate hoax' theory, before he showed up and tried to argue against a Job Guarantee; he's mentally incompetent and unable to mount a  logical argument against a JG or government funding/taxation, so resorts to "but you lost the argument because Keen promoted it" type of debate.

Deplorable.

And no acknowledgement from you re the correlation between poverty and youth crime:

https://www.aic.gov.au/crg/reports/crg-1795-6

Household income, neglect and juvenile crime

The study argued that policies designed to reduce the level of economic stress or attenuate its effects, and early intervention programs designed to reduce the risk of child neglect, have an important role to play in long-term crime prevention.

Findings of the study for urban areas were that juvenile participation in crime (measured as rates of Children's Court appearances for property or violent offences) was positively correlated with the following measures of social and economic stress: poverty, unemployment, single parent families, residential stability, and crowded dwellings.

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Reply #493 - Dec 10th, 2024 at 6:47pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 6:16pm:
lee's 'climate hoax' theory



So still with "lee's 'climate hoax' theory". And yet you haven't define it anywhere.

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus

You are just a serial liar.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 6:16pm:
so resorts to "but you lost the argument because Keen promoted it" type of debate.


No you lost the argument on your own merits. Choosing Keen's affiliates ensures you can keep your circular argument. Roll Eyes
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UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 10th, 2024 at 2:34pm:
I was shot in the shoulder at the age of 10 years. I went and treated myself to wound repair, which included digging out the projectile. I kept quiet about what happened because you don't report those kinds of people. When the gunman found out that I was going to keep quiet, he decided that he would not finish the job.

I was subjected to death threats between the ages of 9 to about 14 years of age. I found out in my adulthood that I was subjected to bs from some mouth breather pederast that did not like the fact that I found out about his lifestyle choice. He also claimed to have some ancestry of people that were made citizens of Australia in 1967. Somehow, he thought that it was special.

Turning 12, I was getting to a point where I just started to give up on worrying about what adults thought. I became a father at age 12 to about 3 women -- (or should I say, 2 adult women and a girl my age). To my knowledge, all three babies were girls. I did not care. Everyone kept quiet about my situation. In fact, one of the adult women wanted to have another baby with me, even when I was still well below the legal age. The other considered having another baby. But, she decided to concentrate on her well-paying career. The girl my age decided to give up her baby for adoption and concentrate on being a teenager.

You might say that teenagers should not be having children before they are financially ready. But, I am a person who was never going to be financially ready whilst I have issues to deal with. My daughter actually became my supervisor a few years ago, and I had not problem with that. I just don't really want to tell my parents who she is. I just have to contend with my parents accepting that I am a sperm donor.


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