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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #495 - Dec 11^th, 2024 at 7:20am

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 5:30pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 8:22am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 7^th, 2024 at 9:52am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:47pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 4:28pm:

lee wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 4:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 3:33pm:

Smarter people than you will answer those questions.

But not you? Wink

My excuse to get out of educating dummies like you; and yes, I will defer to the experts who (unlike you)

1. Know we have to transition to a sustainable, green economy.

2. Know what a sustainable green economy is.

3. And know how to engineer it.

You're so far up yourself it must hurt?

1. Know - no we don't.

2. you obviously don't.

3. you obviously don't ...... and neither do all the ideologues - educated or not - like you.

It is unlike me to defend thegreatdivide. But, on this occasion, he is right. We do have the capabilities to transition to a more environmentally sustainable economy. The thing is, the transition is not going to happen in a short space of time (within 5 years). And international macroeconomics will have to undergo a similar transition for Australia to be under any pressure to need to change to this environmentally sustainable economy.

The thing about Australia's economy is our ever reliant need to dig up natural resources and send it to China. And if we stop doing that, then the country will stop having money.

What Australia focuses upon is the need to keep the biodiversity either sustained or maintained. If we lose our ability to keep pests and diseases out of the country, I will lose the ability to keep my job washing dishes. I realise that the quarantining procedures in Australia is such that we could handle an outbreak. And, therefore, Australia should be able to do our job of keeping an environmentally sustainable economy functioning, without going over the top and losing our export industries to some ecoNazis.

Well don't try & defend the indefensible

and no he is not right.

When Australia is responsible for a little over 1% of the total global emissions it's ridiculous that we are on a headlong path backwards towards unreliable power supply, brown & blackouts.

Looking forward is not your strong suit....

When the rest of the world has transitioned, Oz will have no markets for its coal, and won't be able to import nuclear technology from a disgusted world. And we would be facing all sorts of trade barriers.

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It not progress it's regression - it's not green, it's not clean and it certainly is a misnomer to call it renewable.

Wrong of course; 10 snowy2.0s (on the GDR) and ten Suncable equivalenet plus wind, can easily supply green power for 26 million people living on the edge of a vast sunny desert.

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It will open up more environmentally destructive mining in the chase for the rare earths & minerals required to make solar panels - plus the fossil fuels still required in the manufacture of wind turbines.

Not when the ten snowys; etc are powered by clean energy.

It's certainly not yours ..... you & the renewables push will have us back in the dark ages in no time.

Watch this & take some reality as to your renewables BS.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #496 - Dec 11^th, 2024 at 7:54am

Gnads wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 7:20am:

Watch this & take some reality as to your renewables BS.

Only 30 secs. in and he's already talking crap, trying to confuse people like you.

So PVs can only ever achieve 40% (or whatever) efficiency - so what. There are enough hot deserts in the world to power the globe many times over; and to ensure available resources, PV recycling plants are already coming into operation; and if some minerals are in short supply to achieve 100% renewables and storage, nuclear can complete the final mile to achieve a zero emissions energy system.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #497 - Dec 11^th, 2024 at 8:40am

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 7:54am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 7:20am:

Watch this & take some reality as to your renewables BS.

Only 30 secs. in and he's already talking crap, trying to confuse people like you.

So PVs can only ever achieve 40% (or whatever) efficiency - so what. There are enough hot deserts in the world to power the globe many times over; and to ensure available resources, PV recycling plants are already coming into operation; and if some minerals are in short supply to achieve 100% renewables and storage, nuclear can complete the final mile to achieve a zero emissions energy system.

Bullshyte - so you want to cover deserts with enough solar panels to power the globe during the day?....

and at night? Batteries won't do it either.

Never mind that most of the desert regions are National Parks/protected regions with diverse ranges of animal inhabitants.

And your renewables net zero imbeciles don't want nuclear either.

I know for a fact that you talk far more crap than the fellow in that clip .... and he talks a better level of factual crap than you ever will. You never refuted one thing he said.

Just phukk off to your fantasy world full of Unobtainium.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #498 - Dec 11^th, 2024 at 12:09pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 7:54am:

Only 30 secs. in and he's already talking crap, trying to confuse people like you.

And yet you can't even provide evidence of this so-called crap. You have no engineering skills, no economic skills. Nothing but "social engineering skills". Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 7:54am:

There are enough hot deserts in the world to power the globe many times over; and to ensure available resources, PV recycling plants are already coming into operation; and if some minerals are in short supply to achieve 100% renewables and storage, nuclear can complete the final mile to achieve a zero emissions energy system.

So how much of these deserts, presumably caused by climate change in the past, should be covered?

There are plenty of minerals in short supply. Each wind turbine needs copper, rather than a steam turbine which can do it all with less copper used. And that's just ONE item.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #499 - Dec 12^th, 2024 at 11:37am

Gnads wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 8:40am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 7:54am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 7:20am:

Watch this & take some reality as to your renewables BS.

Only 30 secs. in and he's already talking crap, trying to confuse people like you.

So PVs can only ever achieve 40% (or whatever) efficiency - so what. There are enough hot deserts in the world to power the globe many times over; and to ensure available resources, PV recycling plants are already coming into operation; and if some minerals are in short supply to achieve 100% renewables and storage, nuclear can complete the final mile to achieve a zero emissions energy system.

Bullshyte - so you want to cover deserts with enough solar panels to power the globe during the day?....

An area the size of the Sahara can power the globe.

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and at night? Batteries won't do it either.

Batteries of all sizes, from homes to grid scale batteries PLUS very long-term pumped hydro will do it.

Now, let's back to "age of criminal responsibility"...and the positive correlation between poverty and youth crime....

Crisafulli might be able to 'lock them up" in the short term, but he won't fix the underlying problem which will keep getting bigger until the postive correlation noted in previous posts is addresed.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #501 - Dec 12^th, 2024 at 11:55am

lee wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 6:47pm:

So still with "lee's 'climate hoax' theory". And yet you haven't define it anywhere.

I'll defer to the experts from the IPCC down.

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You are just a serial liar.

Like all the experts from the IPCC down?

Whereas your 'clean fossils theoty is a lie, everyone knows combustion of fossils - like tabacco - create harmful emissions.

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No you lost the argument on your own merits.

Refuted above; yours is the circular argument, deny the experts on AGW-CO2, and lie about 'clean fossils'....

Now - about the positive correlation between poverty and youth crime....I suppose you want to deny the evidence contained in linked articles studying that correlation, as well.....

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #502 - Dec 12^th, 2024 at 12:00pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 11:37am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 8:40am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 7:54am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 7:20am:

Watch this & take some reality as to your renewables BS.

Only 30 secs. in and he's already talking crap, trying to confuse people like you.

So PVs can only ever achieve 40% (or whatever) efficiency - so what. There are enough hot deserts in the world to power the globe many times over; and to ensure available resources, PV recycling plants are already coming into operation; and if some minerals are in short supply to achieve 100% renewables and storage, nuclear can complete the final mile to achieve a zero emissions energy system.

Bullshyte - so you want to cover deserts with enough solar panels to power the globe during the day?....

An area the size of the Sahara can power the globe.

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and at night? Batteries won't do it either.

Batteries of all sizes, from homes to grid scale batteries PLUS very long-term pumped hydro will do it.

Now, let's back to "age of criminal responsibility"...and the positive correlation between poverty and youth crime....

Crisafulli might be able to 'lock them up" in the short term, but he won't fix the underlying problem which will keep getting bigger until the postive correlation noted in previous posts is addresed.

Now why would you want to do something so monumentally stupid as that?

You know that's just a ridiculous thing to put forth?

What about at night?

The globes LED house lights maybe but no industry.

Back to the dark ages after we put 9.2 million square klms of the Sahara under glass.

Honestly you're a dead set plonker.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #503 - Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:10pm

Gnads wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 7:13am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 2:34pm:

I was shot in the shoulder at the age of 10 years. I went and treated myself to wound repair, which included digging out the projectile. I kept quiet about what happened because you don't report those kinds of people. When the gunman found out that I was going to keep quiet, he decided that he would not finish the job.

I was subjected to death threats between the ages of 9 to about 14 years of age. I found out in my adulthood that I was subjected to bs from some mouth breather pederast that did not like the fact that I found out about his lifestyle choice. He also claimed to have some ancestry of people that were made citizens of Australia in 1967. Somehow, he thought that it was special.

Turning 12, I was getting to a point where I just started to give up on worrying about what adults thought. I became a father at age 12 to about 3 women -- (or should I say, 2 adult women and a girl my age). To my knowledge, all three babies were girls. I did not care. Everyone kept quiet about my situation. In fact, one of the adult women wanted to have another baby with me, even when I was still well below the legal age. The other considered having another baby. But, she decided to concentrate on her well-paying career. The girl my age decided to give up her baby for adoption and concentrate on being a teenager.

You might say that teenagers should not be having children before they are financially ready. But, I am a person who was never going to be financially ready whilst I have issues to deal with. My daughter actually became my supervisor a few years ago, and I had not problem with that. I just don't really want to tell my parents who she is. I just have to contend with my parents accepting that I am a sperm donor.

You laugh at people who are 10 years old and get shot in the shoulder by drug dealers?

I see now where you stand.

Stick around BCF. You are a big enough bitch to hang around there.

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Reply #504 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 11:01am

So we know there is a positive correlation between poverty and youth crime; how can the government intervene to fix the problem?

Interestingly, Trumpy (who ain't no Libertarian), understands the scale of the intervention required to fix the homelessness problem:

(The Independent)

Elon Musk calls homelessness a ‘lie’ and ‘propaganda’ — and Trump is listening

Musk says “Homeless is a misnomer. It implies that someone got a little bit behind on their mortgage, and if you just gave them a job, they’d be back on their feet,” he told former Fox News personality Tucker Carlson in October. “What you actually have are violent drug zombies with dead eyes, and needles and human feces on the street.”

Trump has a view on how to deal with it:

Trump, meanwhile, says people experiencing homelessness should be forced into treatment or mental institutions “or face arrest”.

His campaign has promised to “end the nightmare” of the “dangerously deranged” with a plan to “open large parcels of inexpensive land, bring in doctors, psychiatrists, social workers, and drug rehab specialists, and create tent cities where the homeless can be relocated and their problems identified”.

He wants to “bring back mental institutions to house and rehabilitate those who are severely mentally ill or dangerously deranged with the goal of reintegrating them back into society.”

Good on ya', Trumpy; and necessary (despite what "bleeding-heart liberals" say) ...although rather costly for the taxpayer?

Meanwhile, a view from the ("bleeding -hearts") mainstream Left:

Musk and Trump are not alone.

Influential billionaires and right-wing think tanks have been advancing legislation that criminalizes homelessness in Congress and at the Supreme Court...,

"Criminalizing homelessness" - there's a 'novel' approach....

“and they all share this backwards, incorrect view that if we punish people enough, they will choose not to be poor”, according to Jesse Rabinowitz, campaign and communications director with the National Homelessness Law Center.

Rabinovitch continues:

The primary driver of homelessness, particularly among families, is a lack of stable affordable housing, with evictions, overcrowded housing, domestic violence and job losses sending homeless families into shelters and onto the streets.

“Ending homelessness comes down to three things: using person-centered and evidence-based policy and program design, providing key resources at a scale necessary to get the job done, and showing the leadership and public will to keep a long-term commitment to our goals. Our leaders have honored that commitment to veterans. It is now time for them to honor it for the rest of the nation.”

Yes, but neither side (Left or Right) - with a different view of the causes of, and solutions to, the problem - has addressed how to pay for these massive needed interventions.

Gnads says....stay away from taxing me or 'hardworking (!) billionaires'. (They actually "earned" all that money, you see....like Musk who has "earned" over $200 billion since Trump's win).

So the 'funding-can' justs keeps getting kicked down the road.

Deplorable.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #505 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 7:47pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:10pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 7:13am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 2:34pm:

I was shot in the shoulder at the age of 10 years. I went and treated myself to wound repair, which included digging out the projectile. I kept quiet about what happened because you don't report those kinds of people. When the gunman found out that I was going to keep quiet, he decided that he would not finish the job.

I was subjected to death threats between the ages of 9 to about 14 years of age. I found out in my adulthood that I was subjected to bs from some mouth breather pederast that did not like the fact that I found out about his lifestyle choice. He also claimed to have some ancestry of people that were made citizens of Australia in 1967. Somehow, he thought that it was special.

Turning 12, I was getting to a point where I just started to give up on worrying about what adults thought. I became a father at age 12 to about 3 women -- (or should I say, 2 adult women and a girl my age). To my knowledge, all three babies were girls. I did not care. Everyone kept quiet about my situation. In fact, one of the adult women wanted to have another baby with me, even when I was still well below the legal age. The other considered having another baby. But, she decided to concentrate on her well-paying career. The girl my age decided to give up her baby for adoption and concentrate on being a teenager.

You might say that teenagers should not be having children before they are financially ready. But, I am a person who was never going to be financially ready whilst I have issues to deal with. My daughter actually became my supervisor a few years ago, and I had not problem with that. I just don't really want to tell my parents who she is. I just have to contend with my parents accepting that I am a sperm donor.

You laugh at people who are 10 years old and get shot in the shoulder by drug dealers?

I see now where you stand.

Stick around BCF. You are a big enough bitch to hang around there.

No ... I laughed more that you reckoned you ministered to/treated yourself for any injury & kept quiet so they wouldn't come back to finish you off. Grin

Do you know how ridiculous that sounds - besides you getting shot no one knowing about it?

What did they shoot you with? A potato gun? Grin

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Reply #506 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 7:50pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 10:10pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 11^th, 2024 at 7:13am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 10^th, 2024 at 2:34pm:

I was shot in the shoulder at the age of 10 years. I went and treated myself to wound repair, which included digging out the projectile. I kept quiet about what happened because you don't report those kinds of people. When the gunman found out that I was going to keep quiet, he decided that he would not finish the job.

I was subjected to death threats between the ages of 9 to about 14 years of age. I found out in my adulthood that I was subjected to bs from some mouth breather pederast that did not like the fact that I found out about his lifestyle choice. He also claimed to have some ancestry of people that were made citizens of Australia in 1967. Somehow, he thought that it was special.

Turning 12, I was getting to a point where I just started to give up on worrying about what adults thought. I became a father at age 12 to about 3 women -- (or should I say, 2 adult women and a girl my age). To my knowledge, all three babies were girls. I did not care. Everyone kept quiet about my situation. In fact, one of the adult women wanted to have another baby with me, even when I was still well below the legal age. The other considered having another baby. But, she decided to concentrate on her well-paying career. The girl my age decided to give up her baby for adoption and concentrate on being a teenager.

You might say that teenagers should not be having children before they are financially ready. But, I am a person who was never going to be financially ready whilst I have issues to deal with. My daughter actually became my supervisor a few years ago, and I had not problem with that. I just don't really want to tell my parents who she is. I just have to contend with my parents accepting that I am a sperm donor.

You laugh at people who are 10 years old and get shot in the shoulder by drug dealers?

I see now where you stand.

Stick around BCF. You are a big enough bitch to hang around there.

That would put me in the same category as you ..... only I'm not a big pathological lying story teller as you.

Yeah I understand you think it's all true. Grin

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Reply #507 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 7:55pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 11:01am:

So we know there is a positive correlation between poverty and youth crime; how can the government intervene to fix the problem?

Interestingly, Trumpy (who ain't no Libertarian), understands the scale of the intervention required to fix the homelessness problem:

(The Independent)

Elon Musk calls homelessness a ‘lie’ and ‘propaganda’ — and Trump is listening

Musk says “Homeless is a misnomer. It implies that someone got a little bit behind on their mortgage, and if you just gave them a job, they’d be back on their feet,” he told former Fox News personality Tucker Carlson in October. “What you actually have are violent drug zombies with dead eyes, and needles and human feces on the street.”

Trump has a view on how to deal with it:

Trump, meanwhile, says people experiencing homelessness should be forced into treatment or mental institutions “or face arrest”.

His campaign has promised to “end the nightmare” of the “dangerously deranged” with a plan to “open large parcels of inexpensive land, bring in doctors, psychiatrists, social workers, and drug rehab specialists, and create tent cities where the homeless can be relocated and their problems identified”.

He wants to “bring back mental institutions to house and rehabilitate those who are severely mentally ill or dangerously deranged with the goal of reintegrating them back into society.”

Good on ya', Trumpy; and necessary (despite what "bleeding-heart liberals" say) ...although rather costly for the taxpayer?

Meanwhile, a view from the ("bleeding -hearts") mainstream Left:

Musk and Trump are not alone.

Influential billionaires and right-wing think tanks have been advancing legislation that criminalizes homelessness in Congress and at the Supreme Court...,

"Criminalizing homelessness" - there's a 'novel' approach....

“and they all share this backwards, incorrect view that if we punish people enough, they will choose not to be poor”, according to Jesse Rabinowitz, campaign and communications director with the National Homelessness Law Center.

Rabinovitch continues:

The primary driver of homelessness, particularly among families, is a lack of stable affordable housing, with evictions, overcrowded housing, domestic violence and job losses sending homeless families into shelters and onto the streets.

“Ending homelessness comes down to three things: using person-centered and evidence-based policy and program design, providing key resources at a scale necessary to get the job done, and showing the leadership and public will to keep a long-term commitment to our goals. Our leaders have honored that commitment to veterans. It is now time for them to honor it for the rest of the nation.”

Yes, but neither side (Left or Right) - with a different view of the causes of, and solutions to, the problem - has addressed how to pay for these massive needed interventions.

Gnads says....stay away from taxing me or 'hardworking (!) billionaires'. (They actually "earned" all that money, you see....like Musk who has "earned" over $200 billion since Trump's win).

So the 'funding-can' justs keeps getting kicked down the road.

Deplorable.

Just STFU you plonker.

Unless it's escaped you're attention the evil Trump is now back as POTUS for the second time in 8 years.

Peccar made a wager that he'd leave this forum if Trump won the first time ..... he reneged on that bet.

Trump has won again & yet Peccar still has the audacity to grace these pages.

Why don't you prove you're a better man than Peccar - now Trumps back in for a 2nd term .... & phuk off.

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Reply #508 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 12:06pm

Gnads wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 7:47pm:

No ... I laughed more that you reckoned you ministered to/treated yourself for any injury & kept quiet so they wouldn't come back to finish you off. Grin

Do you know how ridiculous that sounds - besides you getting shot no one knowing about it?

What did they shoot you with? A potato gun? Grin

I was shot from a distance of about 10 metres by someone that had one of those small handguns. Sorry, I did not get the make of the pistol. I was too busy kneeling on the ground, holding my shoulder, wondering if I was going to be finished off, listening to the shooter making racist comments about my value to society.

This was back in the day when I spent an hour under my parents' house digging out the small calibre projectile out of the shoulder. Then I had to sneak upstairs, shower and then patch up the wound with Mum's extensive bandage kit.

Had the shooter hit me about 2 cm lower, I might not have much use of the left arm. I went to school the next week and was excused by the teacher for participating in the rest of the swimming activities. I was fine a month after the incident.

This was 1990, back in the days when the police did not give a ****. The shooter went back into training for his potential deployment to Iraq. But, I think he was given special consideration not to go, because he helped the police retain job security. And since he is indigenous, he probably would have gotten a slap on the wrist for shooting a white child.

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Reply #509 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 12:14pm

Gnads wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 7:50pm:

That would put me in the same category as you ..... only I'm not a big pathological lying story teller as you.

Yeah I understand you think it's all true. Grin

No wonder why I hate going on leave. I would not be surprised if you are that f** that stood with that glum look on his face, thinking he is above the law, awaiting his boyfriend's decision to make my life a bit of a problem.

You don't realise this, but I have been subjected to death threats by drug dealers, drug users, police, ambo, members of the armed forces, and certain politicians, ever since I was a child.

The reason: I am anti-drug. And that gets in the way of the above groups' ability to retain job security. But, hey, you keep being you. Someone will come along some time in the near future and see to it that you don't get internet access.

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