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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #60 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 9:55am

mothra wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 6:11pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 6:07pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:46pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:16pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:13pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:05pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

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people like moth think that a newly graduated naive 23 yo woke social worker is going to turn a 15 yo delinquents life around its not going to happen

You haven't asked her what her ideas re positive community intervention actually are.

Hmmm, what did Mothra say?

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 8:17am:

Community outreach and mentoring. All the world over these have been the solutions to not a new or unique problem.

A 10 year old child should never be in custody. and it's happening right here in Australia and most people wouldn't have the foggiest.

it is a dark stain on our nation and can, at this point, only be seen as deliberate and sinister, knowing full well the consequences as we do.

Feel free to apologise when you're ready, Horseboy.

I won;t hold my breath.

so you agree we need to get the government out and get private citizens in ?

I don;t think even you know what "get the government out" means but nonetheless, it's a pretty stupid thing to say.

And where are all of these altruistic community leaders, Horseboy? What's stopping them?

PRECISELY the point - where are all the altruistic community leaders and parents? What's stopping them?

Well - the White 'community leaders' are not permitted to be involved - Apartheid, innit ... the Aboriginal community 'elders' just want to talk and do nothing ..... the parents - if they can be found - just want to wash their hands of their offspring.

As usual, Moths - your half-baked and half-thought ideas are cock-eyed.

You just rave horseshit. It's all you do.

didnt you just say and i quote

Tell me Gonads, are you capable of communicating without abuse? Roll Eyes

Unlike you, Gonads and Crappler, Horseboy, i'm so much more than a one trick pony.

I'd say you'd have to be - how else would you make a living? Wink

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #61 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 9:58am

John Smith wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 9:05am:

Gnads wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:49pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:38pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:34pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:31pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:23pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 8:03am:

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Lower the age of criminal responsibility down to 10 years of again.

I would say no in general but there does need to be something for special cases and dangerous children.

A 10 year old is a child several years away from understanding consequences properly.

What? doesn't understand properly that murdering someone isn't wrong?

That breaking in, vandalising, stealing isn't wrong?

That bashing or stabbing isn't wrong?

You leftards are the poison that has turned our society into the lawless, irresponsible, run amok without consequence cesspit it is/has
become.

you should learn what that strange word 'consequences' means before totally embarrassing yourself like that

It doesn't need an "s" in the context it was written phukknuckle.

You should take some remedial English Guido.

Says the guy that just typed "your to stupid", hilariously.

Still no cigar - you irrelevance.

Being a spelling nazi is on a par for your overall demeanor.

But you doing it to John in the very next post is perfectly fine.

Tell me Gonads, are you capable of communicating without abuse? Are you a particularly lonely man?

gonads always has two rules ... he's speccciiialllll Cheesy

Not a special as thee ey? Roll Eyes

i guess you're used to second place after a lifetime of it Grin

If you say so.

That's a tad better than you - being a recipient of participation awards all your life.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #62 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 10:22am

Smith is happy to see ten year olds home invade him for the keys etc, slash his missus, force him to give up the keys and steal his car, ram police cars while attempting murder, and ram raid a bottle shop before vanishing after burning his car.

But woe betide the state that seeks early intervention into the little darlings' lives to prevent them becoming revolving door criminals later - that's not a civilised society's right! That's Invasion, that is!!! Stolen Generations.... you might upset the social workers ...... aqua got that lot right - drawn from the most dissatisfied segment of society and scrambling for reality ... reminds me of my first book and critique of DVA psychs - not one of them lived in the real world.

Oh, well - guess they'll just have to languish in prisons for most of their future lives then. Why should we care? Let alone spend billions trying to save their ungrateful little arses....

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #63 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 2:35pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 10:22am:

Smith is happy to see ten year olds home invade him for the keys etc, slash his missus, force him to give up the keys and steal his car, ram police cars while attempting murder, and ram raid a bottle shop before vanishing after burning his car.

unlike you, my missus can handle a ten year old... scary as they might appear to be to you Cheesy

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #65 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 3:59pm

Gnads wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:20pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 5:59pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 4:38pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 2:28pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 7:39am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 7:34am:

mothra,

If you live outside of Qld, please don't comment any further on this. You are obviously too woke and naive to know any better.

Get bent, Rocky.

Well - I guess that puts HIS little red wagon in the repair shop!! Grin

Whenever mothra goes to get her engine light checked out, she goes cross-eyed for 20 minutes; forgets why she got into her car in the first place; and then 2-wheel reverse parks her car onto some shopping centre bollard. Afterwards, she eats at some sushi store, and awaits a phone call from local police.

That way, she knows that people will think that her car was stolen by car thieves. And the community will rally to her aid and have her car towed to the nearest autorepair store for some charitable engine rebuild.

Afterwards, all she has to do is an "Acknowledgement of Country" at school assemblies. She thinks that no one are the wiser about her scams.

A mostly ad hominem, nonsense narrative (unlike aquascoot's reply to mothra)

You lose.... now back to sensible community intervention to solve the problem; aqua thinks volunteers will help... a worthwhile concept (but flawed as I explained).

graps ofcourse is his usual nasty self: lock'em up, bugger dealing with the causes of bad behaviour.

And unlike your repetitive cockwombling driveling diatribe.

Understanding causes is only repetitive if you are blinded by simplistic nonsense re 'personal responsibilty'.

Try tackling the causes of entrenched socio economc disadvantage, and the interventions the community needs to make, to fix the problem.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #66 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 4:07pm

dividie, too - same old, same old. Never offers anything valid - just 'look at entrenched disadvantage'.

To what purpose? Nothing any of us say or do will force them Aborigines to get out of the sump-hole of empty spaces all around and total lack of jobs and correct their 'disadvantage' - they won't even go to school to try to correct their own disadvantage, and many refer instead to take the easy way and do little and turn to crime too often.

Part of the complaint was that there is no room in the prison system..... well - das konzentrationslageren might work... and may I remind you - the discussion was of intervention for the younger blighters - not instant incarceration, but programs to help them understand how to ..... gasps ... get out of their disadvantage and their criminal progress... Criminal's Progress ... sounds like a book.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #67 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 4:07pm

John Smith wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 2:36pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 9:58am:

That's a tad better than you - being a recipient of participation awards all your life.

no, I didn't spend a lifetime sponging of taxpayers like you did

Nah - he spent a lifetime sponging off the government by working ... hard that is.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #68 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 4:12pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

It takes a village to raise one young criminal arsehole - it takes and entire culture to raise a generation of young criminal arseholes.....

No problem - just reality.

Wrong as usual.

The village has its social norms, the criminal is an aberration the village must deal with.

And it takes a dysfunctional economic system (informed by 'invisible hand' markets, 'balanced' government budgets, and Bullock's NAIRU dogma) to create a generation of young crims.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #69 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 4:21pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 4:12pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

It takes a village to raise one young criminal arsehole - it takes and entire culture to raise a generation of young criminal arseholes.....

No problem - just reality.

Wrong as usual.

The village has its social norms, the criminal is an aberration the village must deal with.

And it takes a dysfunctional economic system (informed by 'invisible hand' markets, 'balanced' government budgets, and Bullock's NAIRU dogma) to create a generation of young crims.

Absolutely correct. so you are saying that our Aborigines need to be treated as children - paternalised. Well - I'll challenge you to go out there and sell that line to them... they may behave like wayward children, but that doesn't mean you can call them that....

Back to Slow Horses:-

"Please do something about bringing your losers under some form of control, Lamb!"

(offended) "They don't like being called 'losers!"

"Well - what do YOU call them?"

"Losers. It upsets them."

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Reply #70 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 4:31pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 10:22am:

Smith is happy to see ten year olds home invade him for the keys etc,

No he's not, none of us are.

The question is: how do we address the causes of crime (poor family role models, entrenched socio-economic disadvanatge) rather than just reacting to the crime itself.

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But woe betide the state that seeks early intervention into the little darlings' lives to prevent them becoming revolving door criminals later - that's not a civilised society's right!

Lowering (or raising) the age of criminal responsibilty is a side -issue which won't fix the problem; though mothra correctly noted young brains don't fully comprehend consequences (and probably different ages for different people).

The problem - to repeat - is the 'state' currently supports welfare dependency as a matter of economic necessity.

And the NT Police Commissioner - at the coal face - has told us his thoughts on the disaster of welfare dependency.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #71 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 4:36pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 4:12pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

It takes a village to raise one young criminal arsehole - it takes and entire culture to raise a generation of young criminal arseholes.....

No problem - just reality.

Wrong as usual.

The village has its social norms, the criminal is an aberration the village must deal with.

And it takes a dysfunctional economic system (informed by 'invisible hand' markets, 'balanced' government budgets, and Bullock's NAIRU dogma) to create a generation of young crims.

its not economic

its that people in the village would rather watch netflix and porn or they would rather post crap on forums then volunteer to spend time with youth

pure unadulterated selfishness and me,me,me

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #72 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 4:43pm

aquascoot wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 4:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 4:12pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

It takes a village to raise one young criminal arsehole - it takes and entire culture to raise a generation of young criminal arseholes.....

No problem - just reality.

Wrong as usual.

The village has its social norms, the criminal is an aberration the village must deal with.

And it takes a dysfunctional economic system (informed by 'invisible hand' markets, 'balanced' government budgets, and Bullock's NAIRU dogma) to create a generation of young crims.

its not economic

its that people in the village would rather watch netflix and porn or they would rather post crap on forums then volunteer to spend time with youth

pure unadulterated selfishness and me,me,me

Talk about missing the point! When an entire culture breeds and raises a generation of young criminal arseholes, clearly these are not 'aberrations' - they are the new norm for that culture.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #73 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 4:56pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:46pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:16pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:13pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:05pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

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people like moth think that a newly graduated naive 23 yo woke social worker is going to turn a 15 yo delinquents life around its not going to happen

You haven't asked her what her ideas re positive community intervention actually are.

Hmmm, what did Mothra say?

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 8:17am:

Community outreach and mentoring. All the world over these have been the solutions to not a new or unique problem.

A 10 year old child should never be in custody. and it's happening right here in Australia and most people wouldn't have the foggiest.

it is a dark stain on our nation and can, at this point, only be seen as deliberate and sinister, knowing full well the consequences as we do.

Feel free to apologise when you're ready, Horseboy.

I won;t hold my breath.

so you agree we need to get the government out and get private citizens in ?

I don;t think even you know what "get the government out" means but nonetheless, it's a pretty stupid thing to say.

And where are all of these altruistic community leaders, Horseboy? What's stopping them?

PRECISELY the point - where are all the altruistic community leaders and parents? What's stopping them?

For the people who are free to donate their time, nothing; eg, there are groups run by community-minded people - white or black - managing camps for wayward youth.

But such individual endevours cannot reach the full extent of the problem.

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As usual, Moths - your half-baked and half-thought ideas are cock-eyed.

Says graps who thinks personal responsibilty is the fix - or go to jail.

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