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Reply #75 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 5:12pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 4:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 4:12pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

It takes a village to raise one young criminal arsehole - it takes and entire culture to raise a generation of young criminal arseholes.....

No problem - just reality.

Wrong as usual.

The village has its social norms, the criminal is an aberration the village must deal with.

And it takes a dysfunctional economic system (informed by 'invisible hand' markets, 'balanced' government budgets, and Bullock's NAIRU dogma) to create a generation of young crims.

Absolutely correct.

Thanks, so let's educate pollies re the egregious effects of neoliberal economc orthodoxy, including funding the poverty industry aka "welfare"...

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so you are saying that our Aborigines need to be treated as children - paternalised.

No, I'm saying everyone should be to be treated as a person who needs to actively particpate in the economy.

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Well - I'll challenge you to go out there and sell that line to them... they may behave like wayward children, but that doesn't mean you can call them that....

Wrong premise, as explained above; they (and all of us) must actively participate in the nation's economy, in order to prosper. The neoclassical economists running the show, supporting welfare dependency as a 'safety net' are the real criminals.

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[i]"Please do something about bringing your losers under some form of control, Lamb!"

The NAIRU dogma of mainstream economists itself is responsible for creating "losers".

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Reply #76 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 5:27pm

aquascoot wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 4:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 4:12pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

It takes a village to raise one young criminal arsehole - it takes and entire culture to raise a generation of young criminal arseholes.....

No problem - just reality.

Wrong as usual.

The village has its social norms, the criminal is an aberration the village must deal with.

And it takes a dysfunctional economic system (informed by 'invisible hand' markets, 'balanced' government budgets, and Bullock's NAIRU dogma) to create a generation of young crims.

its not economic

Can you address the items I listed?

Obvously welfare dependency IS "economic"...

And its relation to criminality must be examimed (as noted by the NT Police Commissioner).

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its that people in the village would rather watch netflix and porn or they would rather post crap on forums then volunteer to spend time with youth

Only people who are forced to subsist on welfare would "rather" spend their time watching porn and netflix; people with a job are more interested in the prosperity a job brings.

Re "force": do you know what the NAIRU is, and how economists are informed by it?

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pure unadulterated selfishness and me,me,me

We are all marked by that to some degree or other.

Even Bezos refused to air-condition warehouses for his workers, despite being wealthier than any of the botton third of the world's nations.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #77 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 5:43pm

Start with 'addicted to welfare' - to the cargo cult Outback Style..... and unwilling to accept the opportunities made more than available to them, but preferring instead to adhere to their outworn lifestyle of waiting until supper drops in and living hand to mouth. Learned behaviour... generational learned behaviour .... and all justified and aided and abetted by foolish social science clowns.

Ooooh - professor so-and-so expressed concerns over lowering the age of criminal responsibility - so does Joe Bloggs - so why are they paying a 'professor' to mention it?

I once had a 'kingdom' for teaching purposes - part of it was The Learned Professor of BOSHT (the Bleedingly Obvious
Stated in High-sounding Terms) without whose 'learned' views no government could get off its arse and act.... oh, dearie me.... one such said that burn-offs didn't help bushfire management in a crisis but managted to choke countless people and cause deaths - we of the land had been saying that for ages - then when 2019 blew up - we were proven right.... Abo or otherwise burn-offs would achieve nothing in a firestorm.

As Price, Mundine and Wilkie said - LISTEN TO THE GRASSROOTS! and not just one Far Ken side all the time... the side that can't even raise their kids to not be criminals.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #78 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 5:57pm

John Smith wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 2:35pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 10:22am:

Smith is happy to see ten year olds home invade him for the keys etc, slash his missus, force him to give up the keys and steal his car, ram police cars while attempting murder, and ram raid a bottle shop before vanishing after burning his car.

unlike you, my missus can handle a ten year old... scary as they might appear to be to you Cheesy

And I'd say you wouldn't know shyte from clay about handling 10 yr old capable of committing serious or heinous criminal offences. Let alone your missus.

We're not talking about your own 10 yr old.

Teachers & social workers can't handle them - what makes you think your wife could?

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29670 Gender:	Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Reply #79 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 5:59pm John Smith wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 2:36pm: Gnads wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 9:58am: That's a tad better than you - being a recipient of participation awards all your life. no, I didn't spend a lifetime sponging of taxpayers like you did Yeah now how did I do that?
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #80 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 6:05pm

Gnads wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 5:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 2:35pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 10:22am:

Smith is happy to see ten year olds home invade him for the keys etc, slash his missus, force him to give up the keys and steal his car, ram police cars while attempting murder, and ram raid a bottle shop before vanishing after burning his car.

unlike you, my missus can handle a ten year old... scary as they might appear to be to you Cheesy

And I'd say you wouldn't know shyte from clay about handling 10 yr old capable of committing serious or heinous criminal offences. Let alone your missus.

We're not talking about your own 10 yr old.

Teachers & social workers can't handle them - what makes you think your wife could?

To scream at the impossible dream ......

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #81 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 6:05pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 4:31pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 10:22am:

Smith is happy to see ten year olds home invade him for the keys etc,

No he's not, none of us are.

The question is: how do we address the causes of crime (poor family role models, entrenched socio-economic disadvanatge) rather than just reacting to the crime itself.

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But woe betide the state that seeks early intervention into the little darlings' lives to prevent them becoming revolving door criminals later - that's not a civilised society's right!

Lowering (or raising) the age of criminal responsibilty is a side -issue which won't fix the problem; though mothra correctly noted young brains don't fully comprehend consequences (and probably different ages for different people).

The problem - to repeat - is the 'state' currently supports welfare dependency as a matter of economic necessity.

And the NT Police Commissioner - at the coal face - has told us his thoughts on the disaster of welfare dependency.

They(the ALP) actually raised the age from 10 to 14 in the NT ... that was just smoke and mirrors to hide stats and keep the little darlings out of the system.

That failed too .... juvenile crime rates rose even higher.

The NT people resoundingly kicked the Labor Govt to the kerb .... and the CLP are going to put the age back to 10 where it had been for a long time.

Consequences for actions.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58629 Here Gender:	Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Reply #82 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 9:18pm The concern here is the certainty of any such legislation being misused against genuine normal children in the types of cases that should not attract such extreme attention. It is the old story of letting the genie out of the bottle.
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #83 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 10:37pm

When you're up to your armpits in housebreakers, it's difficult to remember that you initial aim was to drain the billabong.....

Drain The Billabongs!!

So what do you suggest? Put 'em all through a re-education facility until they've got their kinds rights and only then let them out into the community?

Why not just enforce schooling and proper tutoring and mentoring by genuine elders and family members? Some manage it very well - that bloke who had young kids coming out to his property to handle stock and stuff had results - he's an Aboriginal bloke...

Sailor up the road from my original property ran a camp for city kids to come out and take a break and get some real mentoring and knowledge of the bush etc. He was an Aboriginal too and the camp was for city Aboriginal kids....

It can be done with the will.... you don't need a lot of money - more elbow grease ...

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #84 - Oct 16^th, 2024 at 9:30am

Gnads wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 5:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 2:35pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 10:22am:

Smith is happy to see ten year olds home invade him for the keys etc, slash his missus, force him to give up the keys and steal his car, ram police cars while attempting murder, and ram raid a bottle shop before vanishing after burning his car.

unlike you, my missus can handle a ten year old... scary as they might appear to be to you Cheesy

And I'd say you wouldn't know shyte from clay about handling 10 yr old capable of committing serious or heinous criminal offences. Let alone your missus.

We're not talking about your own 10 yr old.

Teachers & social workers can't handle them - what makes you think your wife could?

yes gonds, I understand that 10yr olds scare you. it's Ok. Cheesy

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #85 - Oct 16^th, 2024 at 11:41am

John Smith wrote on Oct 16^th, 2024 at 9:30am:

Gnads wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 5:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 2:35pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 10:22am:

Smith is happy to see ten year olds home invade him for the keys etc, slash his missus, force him to give up the keys and steal his car, ram police cars while attempting murder, and ram raid a bottle shop before vanishing after burning his car.

unlike you, my missus can handle a ten year old... scary as they might appear to be to you Cheesy

And I'd say you wouldn't know shyte from clay about handling 10 yr old capable of committing serious or heinous criminal offences. Let alone your missus.

We're not talking about your own 10 yr old.

Teachers & social workers can't handle them - what makes you think your wife could?

yes gonds, I understand that 10yr olds scare you. it's Ok. Cheesy

Answer the question Shyteforbrains ... just how is your missus going to handle seasoned criminal minded & violent 10 yr olds?

I'd like to see you surrounded by a group of them, especially if the little darlings were armed.

They'd stick you like a pig. Oink oink.

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Reply #86 - Oct 16^th, 2024 at 12:15pm

Shaddup, Smith - the adults are trying to discuss a real issue.

Now that it is clear to the Hate Group that I am neutral here ... any of you backward students got any real views - or would you prefer to continue sledging?

I mean - if we can see some form of (gags) consensus here - maybe we could offer to the NT government a very patronising 'third way' or something...

Remember the Gautama - "If the zip tie is too loose, it will not constrain ... if it is too tight, it will cause gangrene."

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #87 - Oct 16^th, 2024 at 12:16pm

Gnads wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 5:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 2:36pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 9:58am:

That's a tad better than you - being a recipient of participation awards all your life.

no, I didn't spend a lifetime sponging of taxpayers like you did

Yeah now how did I do that? Roll Eyes

negative gearing and FBT concessions ... just to name a few

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #89 - Oct 16^th, 2024 at 1:10pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

Start with 'addicted to welfare'

Wrong as usual - as to be expected from your 'personal responsibility will fix it' ideology with zero understanding of the macroeconomic causes of welfare dependency.

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generational learned behaviour .... and all justified and aided and abetted by foolish social science clowns.

Your error: behaviour learned by systemic exclusion from the economy; but your 2nd observation is correct: social scientists don't understand macroeconomics either (and neither do you), so they are fiddling around trying to define the age of responsibility, instead of ensuring everyone - especially parents (role models) - have access to jobs.

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Ooooh - professor so-and-so expressed concerns over lowering the age of criminal responsibility - so does Joe Bloggs - so why are they paying a 'professor' to mention it?

Good question - explained above.

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As Price, Mundine and Wilkie said - LISTEN TO THE GRASSROOTS! and not just one Far Ken side all the time... the side that can't even raise their kids to not be criminals.

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The social science professors despised by you are mostly "raising their kids to not be criminals".

It's those locked in welfare - and poor role models - who have the problem.

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