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Reply #45 - Oct 21st, 2024 at 12:26pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 11:53am:
Still haven't got it - well - let's try 'anticipated/planned consequences'.  Does that help your thinking?


It certainly clears up yours.

While the situation does not equate to apartheid, you seem to envisage a reimagined version of The Voice, one that diverges significantly from the proposed framework and its potential ramifications.

This vision creates a narrative in which, although it does not meet the strict criteria of apartheid, it is close enough for you to assert that it is, effectively positioning yourself as the victim.

Isn’t that a bit excessive?

Sure, prominent figures like Bolt and Bernardi, alongside a chorus of lesser-known voices, have propagated this claim, yet it appears driven more by emotion than by rational discourse or empirical reality.

But when it tells you what you want to hear, why would you question it?

Clearly, you have not.

This appears to be a superficial attack line that you are ill-equipped to defend. All you do is ignore those who take the time to disprove the claim, either with selective replies, distractions, or literal erasure of their quotes.

Bravo.

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What is your definition of 'reconciliation'?  It's a simple question - you keep evading it.


Please see the other thread.

Now we see if you're a man of your word or not.
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Reply #46 - Oct 21st, 2024 at 12:54pm
 
... continue to address 'potential ramifications' - relate those to Uluru Statement ... align thinking...

At least you have progressed to 'potential ramifications' - though the 'potential' in context of Uluru is very tenuous...
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Reply #47 - Oct 21st, 2024 at 12:58pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 12:54pm:
... continue to address 'potential ramifications' - relate those to Uluru Statement ... align thinking...

At least you have progressed to 'potential ramifications' - though the 'potential' in context of Uluru is very tenuous...


No change is without, well change...

You've not stumbled onto some hidden truth there friend.

Who knew?!
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Reply #48 - Oct 21st, 2024 at 1:20pm
 
There is no 'potential' here in context of The Voice Policy Thrust Overall.. titled The Voice (not the TV show)..

"In politics nothing happens by chance - if it happens at all it was planned that way."  - FDR.

"Truth is so fragile that it must be surrounded by a bodyguard of lies."  - Winston Churchill.


You can clearly see the relationship between both statements and Signore Albanese's 'simple one page request'.

Keep digging, grasshopper.... your education is moving ahead daily.

Start with YOUR definition of 'reconciliation'.... I am fully aware that is quicksand for you and your ideology ....
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Reply #49 - Oct 21st, 2024 at 1:51pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 1:20pm:
There is no 'potential' here in context of The Voice Policy Thrust Overall.. titled The Voice (not the TV show)..

"In politics nothing happens by chance - if it happens at all it was planned that way."  - FDR.

"Truth is so fragile that it must be surrounded by a bodyguard of lies."  - Winston Churchill.


You can clearly see the relationship between both statements and Signore Albanese's 'simple one page request'.

Keep digging, grasshopper.... your education is moving ahead daily.

Start with YOUR definition of 'reconciliation'.... I am fully aware that is quicksand for you and your ideology ....


We’ll leave the reconciliation discussion to the other thread, but let me clarify: I’m not learning anything from you, just about you.

I've heard everything you're saying before.  It's just usually said in a much less public setting, usually confined to close groups where they use more colourful language than you. 

You've got that going for you I suppose.  You're a slightly lighter shade of poo.

You keep making demands, then tossing aside the results when they don't suit your palate, offering absolutely nothing in return. It’s an amusing pattern, really.

Do you know how we describe someone who behaves like this? I’d spell it out, but you’ll predictably cry "abuse" again. Poor little snowflake.
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Reply #50 - Oct 21st, 2024 at 5:06pm
 
Still not listening, eh?  You must not only listen but hear - and you have not passed step one.

You ad your kind are totally one-sided - like uninformed children - those you desperately seek to ally me with and equate mmy views with are the same..... I stand for ALL the people not just some....

You mistake the generous offer of the DEMANDED homeland state of their own, and the one-off offer of a house block for each family to settle their 'land claims that never were from wandering about in small groups as tourists on the land' - a far better deal than anyone else gets here - and you CRY racist.... but, sonny - these are ABORIGINAL ideas - to have their own state/homeland where they can 'do things their way' without 'hindrance' .. to claim land that is now governed by different rules than simple armed occupation (lawfare, you see), and now to demand vast areas as Freehold since Native title does not - as I pointed out in agreement with a WA Elder - even give them the right to build a home!  So the offer of a house block is both generous and unshared and is a more than fair compromise - a special privilege - and also resolves all land claims in accordance with modern usage.  Once and for all - here is a very costly gift that others have to work years to get ... but that's it.  If you can't make it with that start - do a Stan Grant or something - you can't make it.

My dear sir/madam - it is YOUR KIND who are the true danger to this country.  You drove buses up there, eh?  So suddenly Australia is directly responsible for 76/81 and so forth - that you could - in your white privileged life - actually witness for yourself.  It must be YOU who forces them to remain in their camps and broken-down 'communities' and lay waste to it and fight other groups over it without choosing to move away... land rights, innit ... ancient style.... nobody else does........ nobody else forces them to engage in crime....... (bring on dividie the commo - he'll set us right)...

Getchu head outchu ass and into the 21st Century.  How much could you have possibly seen driving a bus and living in your white community?

Footnote:-  Ah bin in the REAL desert Outback, bro... in dem towns the bruvvas is lined up under the pub porch sleeping at nine in the morning.
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Reply #51 - Oct 23rd, 2024 at 9:40am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 5:06pm:
Still not listening, eh?  You must not only listen but hear - and you have not passed step one.

You ad your kind are totally one-sided - like uninformed children - those you desperately seek to ally me with and equate mmy views with are the same..... I stand for ALL the people not just some....

You mistake the generous offer of the DEMANDED homeland blah blah blah.


You don't get to pretend you meant something else when you were talking about killing them.
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Reply #52 - Oct 23rd, 2024 at 10:12am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 23rd, 2024 at 9:40am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 5:06pm:
Still not listening, eh?  You must not only listen but hear - and you have not passed step one.

You ad your kind are totally one-sided - like uninformed children - those you desperately seek to ally me with and equate mmy views with are the same..... I stand for ALL the people not just some....

You mistake the generous offer of the DEMANDED homeland blah blah blah.


You don't get to pretend you meant something else when you were talking about killing them.


All I said was the Poms didn't do much of a job and perhaps could do better next time around..... the only reference was to the authorities having to declare a state of riot and in extremis open fire on rioting crowds that would not disperse.  You're slow, aren't you?

It's like demands for 'sovereignty' - fine - go for it - hand in your Australian citizen card with all benefits..... go your own way.... here - you want your own state and homeland - go for it .... all on your own.... do things 'your way' without any evil white man's interference in any way ..... (snuckles) .....

You and your kind simply do not want to confront the realities of the demands.... demanding instant access to vast freeholdings without payment, something nobody else can do, is not Apartheid to you... different rules in courts are not Apartheid to you... and so on and so on and so on.... it's not even Segregation - separate but equal - it's a demand for separate but unequal.

All such demands lead inevitably to complete separation without any of the white man's facilities other than what they can buy and import.... and that includes cars, money, supermarkets, healthcare, and so on.....  you can't demand to be a sovereign group and have your own state without borders mingling for free in amongst all the benefits, and then not expect to have to pay for your healthcare and such, receive benefits, have a right to vote.... just can't happen .... can't have it both ways .... and you need to explain that to them, O Great Activist!

So - how now your demands and foolishness?   Cool


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Reply #53 - Oct 23rd, 2024 at 11:38am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 23rd, 2024 at 10:12am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 23rd, 2024 at 9:40am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21st, 2024 at 5:06pm:
Still not listening, eh?  You must not only listen but hear - and you have not passed step one.

You ad your kind are totally one-sided - like uninformed children - those you desperately seek to ally me with and equate mmy views with are the same..... I stand for ALL the people not just some....

You mistake the generous offer of the DEMANDED homeland blah blah blah.


You don't get to pretend you meant something else when you were talking about killing them.


All I said was the Poms didn't do much of a job and perhaps could do better next time around.....


No, you said it would have been less trouble if they'd gotten rid of them all, while of course using a racial slur:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 9th, 2019 at 11:08pm:
Be a lot less trouble today if they'd gotten rid of all the Boongs... the Poms need to go back and re-plan their Invasion to get it right...


There is no weaselling out of that.  Your intentions are clear.

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the only reference was to the authorities having to declare a state of riot and in extremis open fire on rioting crowds that would not disperse.  You're slow, aren't you?


You wanted to shoot Indigenous people on-site if they were on Uluru, and you know, 10% of Boris' targets for the Army shooting them on sight might be worth saving.  Both of those comments you offered without prompting, decided to enter and agree, or offer an unprompted suggested of shooting them on site yourself.

Again, your intentions are clear.

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You and your kind simply do not want to confront the realities of the demands.... demanding instant access to vast freeholdings without payment, something nobody else can do, is not Apartheid to you... different rules in courts are not Apartheid to you... and so on and so on and so on.... it's not even Segregation - separate but equal - it's a demand for separate but unequal.


You’ve consistently redefined the concept of Apartheid to fit your narrative, warping its meaning beyond recognition.

It's a constant theme with you, you ignore what others say, literally editing their quotes to remove what you cannot deal with, then redefine terms you want to use, to suit your argument.

And you want to attack others for not wanting to confront reality.

Please.

You’ve made it abundantly clear that you harbour no goodwill towards Indigenous Australians.

Don’t pretend to cloak yourself in the guise of “doing what they want” or to feign concern for Indigenous communities, especially for the women and children.

You actively oppose funding that would help women escape violence in those very communities. You’ve suggested that the punishment for children swimming in the wrong places should involve a cable tie around their necks, yet you expect anyone to take seriously your hollow pleas about helping these women and children?

Out of the 81 women killed due to domestic violence, 93% were Indigenous, and still, you manipulate this tragic reality to serve your argument.

You’ve weaponised these statistics as a shield, all while refusing—despite being asked repeatedly—to offer a single constructive solution. You demand answers from others, yet remain conspicuously silent when it comes to outlining what you would do to genuinely help.

Your intent is clear: it was never about helping Indigenous Australians. You exploit these statistics purely to fuel your attacks on them, and no one is buying into your thinly veiled deceit.

Your inability to engage in honest discourse is evident, as is your habitual evasion of reality while accusing others of precisely that.

Engaging with you is utterly futile.

And to top it off, you continuously peddle blatant falsehoods that demand correction, lest this space devolve into a self-sustaining echo chamber where you argue only with your own delusions.
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Reply #54 - Oct 23rd, 2024 at 12:09pm
 
Just like the American Indians were screwed over by the Yanks, so too, the Australian Aborigines were screwed over by the Poms.

This was done by people of up to 7 generations ago.

Now it is time to quit the separatism and public teat sucking, get jobs and show how resilient the First Nations people are.

Do better by working within the system rather than trying to be separate from it.

Some do very nicely thankyou. Noel Pearson for example is a very wealthy man, now set to become a highly paid member of the Board of Directors at Fortescue.

Get jobs, quit the booze and show how well you can do within this country.



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Reply #55 - Oct 23rd, 2024 at 12:48pm
 
"Be a lot less trouble today if they'd gotten rid of all the Boongs... the Poms need to go back and re-plan their Invasion to get it right...


There is no weaselling out of that.  Your intentions are clear."


No intention shown there at all.. just a comment on history - the Poms will never get a second chance... only had one ... now its 236 years later and time for the native to grow into the modern life... many do and quite well... what's wrong with the rest?

Ooooooh!  What intentions did YOU imagine there were?
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Reply #56 - Oct 23rd, 2024 at 12:52pm
 
"You wanted to shoot Indigenous people on-site if they were on Uluru, and you know, 10% of Boris' targets for the Army shooting them on sight might be worth saving. "

Easier to shoot criminal climbers than go up and arrest them, don' cha reckon?  Might as well go the whole hog if you ban climbing on OUR Ayers Rock.... one law for all... just a way to save time and money prosecuting them...

As for the rioters - well - on the figures to date maybe 10% of those might be worth saving... that's about right for those who climb out of their sink-hole and get a good life.... even illiterate and ill-educated rioters might have a few worth saving...

God, you're slow...

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Reply #57 - Oct 23rd, 2024 at 1:08pm
 
Never defined Apartheid - just pointed out the bits that are and their cumulative effect of becoming................... Apartheid.
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Reply #58 - Oct 23rd, 2024 at 1:13pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 23rd, 2024 at 11:38am:
[quote author=The_Grappler link=1728909803/52#52 date=1729642343][quote author=sadkangaroo link=1728909803/51#51 date=1729640406][quote author=The_Grappler link=1728909803/50#50 date=1729494397]Still not listening, eh?  You must not only listen but hear - and you have not passed step one.

You ad your kind are totally one-sided - like uninformed children - those you desperately seek to ally me with and equate mmy views with are the same..... I stand for ALL the people not just some....

You mistake the generous offer of the DEMANDED homeland blah blah blah.


Now then - let's just remove the things resolved - that you keep ranting over and over about like some heroic activist - and the rest that hold no merit:-


Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 9th, 2019 at 11:08pm:


Hmm - not much reality there... a lot of paranoid raving... you twist every single thing ....  did you ever consider consulting a psychiatrist?
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Reply #59 - Oct 23rd, 2024 at 1:34pm
 
You're not fooling anyone, champ.

Keep living in denial, just don't expect anyone else to go along with your delusions.
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