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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 84890 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	The Voice! The Voice anniversary! Oct 14^th, 2024 at 10:43pm Cop yer whack fer this! Maybe we need a Lamenting The Voice Day or something..... one more day off ... with pay ... that'll get your ulcers going first thing..... https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/warren-mundine-fires-up-on-the-voice-refere... Give us your thoughts on this argument......
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105643 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The Voice! The Voice anniversary! Reply #1 - Oct 14^th, 2024 at 10:47pm I thought the same as Blair Cottrell. https://www.bitchute.com/video/ChuDnICOdgI9
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Reply #2 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 6:02am

It is amusing how people get so obsessed with some topics.

Guess it happens to all of us to some extent. To most the voice was always a nothing burger.

To me it was a reasonably good idea that the government stuffed up in its planned implementation.

It failed because people who would normally have been supporters voted against it because the planned implementation was a joke.

The blank cheque thing of saying just vote for it and we will tell you what it actually is later. They shot it down themselves when many "yes" voters had to vote "no".

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Reply #3 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 6:38am

"It is amusing how people get so obsessed with some topics."

Indeed - you'd have thought the YES group would have given up obsessing about how to get around the will of the people and plotting day and night to get what they want. I did say that Albo was as cunning as a rat - getting up there like a dedicated preacher and talking tough about The Voice while actually undermining it. Also say that Albo is a cunning statesman in that he has put the Aboriginal questions to the fore and the people are now demanding results instead of more baby-food meals for them.

Here's some food for thought - though with some here it would require a whale if fish is brain food:-

https://itsoktobewhite.quora.com/Why-do-white-people-get-so-bent-out-of-shape-wh...

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Dnarever Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 58708 Here Gender:	Re: The Voice! The Voice anniversary! Reply #4 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 6:44am Haven't had a single thought about the voice in the last 12 months, haven't heard anything about it either with the exception of the no voice crowing and whining at the same time.
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Reply #5 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 7:02am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 10:47pm:

I thought the same as Blair Cottrell.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ChuDnICOdgI9

QUOTE -

Such as when is it gunna be enough?
how much money do these people need?
how much blood do these people need?
how much sacrifice on our behalf is gunna be enough for them
for them to finally feel like they're satisfied? -
and the answer is it will never be enough
it's never gunna be enough -
if you support this Voice referendum thing -
that's not gunna be enough -
there's gunna be something after that
and then there's gunna be something after that -
as Joel explained they're gunna be pushing
and pushing and pushing as much as possible
so you have to say no from the beginning - yeah -
you have to say no to everything these people ask for
and everything they demand -
they have no right to demand anything.

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Reply #6 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 7:33am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 6:44am:

Haven't had a single thought about the voice in the last 12 months, haven't heard anything about it either with the exception of the no voice crowing and whining at the same time.

The NO voters had the right to 'crow' - the Yes crowd were jumping up and down long before the failure and then wept bitter tears over the loss of such a silly idea as Australian Apartheid.

Price of liberty = eternal vigilance. Voice was followed upon failure by the Voice By Stealth, one bit at a time, pushed by Albocorp using the states as their stalking horses....

The answer is still NO - and you saw here from the very beginning after the collapse of the voice, that the YES whiner and cryers started personally attacking the NO posters for drawing attention to this treachery by government against its people. The moment I mentioned Voice By Stealth from the State, one of them went at me like a rabid dog!!

Principles, Jim - we deal here not with principalities of men and of women - but with principalities of good and evil. Do you say it is good for a government to deliberately over-ride the will of its people by using a run-around? Just because Howard got away with it over gun laws when that issue was defeated at the voting box, doesn't mean the people's view and rights are fair game.. just because Carr got away with it by abusing 'domestic violence laws' to steal legally owned firearms from the community ... doesn't make it right.

Howard AND Carr etc were/are much more than whiny little rat weasels - they are the epitome of the Neo-Fascist In Reality that pervades modern politics in Australia, the kind of stone fish Heinrich Himmler type - superficially innocuous but devastating in their abuse of power unearned and not really inherent in their elected position. There are many exactly like that here and now, men and women.

The YES mob are typical of all those who CHOOSE to adopt the most unpopular viewpoint and make it their own - their child-like adherence to 'teenage rebellion' for life in some cases - whether it be about the Failed Voice, or 'transgender ideology', or 'palestine' or anything else.... they essentially use air for brains.... as the children they are in reality they choose to support the unsupportable so as to give their miserable days a little verve and energy ....

And guess what.... all those ideologies are going down as we speak.... the rights of the people are paramount and must be obeyed by those paid to oversee their rights and their country and their and its overall prosperity.

Drain The Billabongs!!

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Reply #7 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 9:30am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 10:43pm:

Cop yer whack fer this! Maybe we need a Lamenting The Voice Day or something..... one more day off ... with pay ... that'll get your ulcers going first thing.....

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/warren-mundine-fires-up-on-the-voice-refere...

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Mr. Synott just waffling the same old mantra - "misinformation & lies" - with a typical half smart smirk on his face when he's called on it.

He couldn't actually give one example of the misinformation or the lies.

That's because the actual Yes campaign for the Voice was full of "no" real information and lies.

Lies like "it's only a one page document". Meanwhile 30 odd pages later. Roll Eyes

That Aboriginal people have "no real Voice" to govt.....

yet there are hundreds if not thousands of Aboriginal bodies/associations & Land Councils that represent Aboriginal issues to govt.

With a peak body - the NIAA National Indigenous Australians Agency with Aboriginal CEO Jody Broun and a Minister for Indigenous Australians Senator the Hon Malarndirri McCarthy.

How many more do they need?

The Voice was divisive by race and all about power and reparations.

And every state Labor Govt has continued down the Truth,Treaty & Reparations path regardless of the resounding defeat of the referendum. Voice by stealth.

In QLD there are now 15 towns/cities with "Freehold Native Title" claims over them - a move which is actually contrary to the intent of the Mabo decision.

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Fifteen Queensland towns where Aboriginal corporations want state land to be handed over to them as freehold property have been revealed after the Miles Government initially refused to provide the list.

The towns have been named after uproar over the proposed transfer of state land to First Nations corporations on K’gari (Fraser Island) and at Toobeah near Goondiwindi.

Natural Resources Minister Scott Stewart has belatedly disclosed the towns involved following a question from former One Nation MP Steve Andrew in state parliament earlier this year.

The 15 towns range from Mt Isa and Maryborough through to the tiny Cloncurry Shire township of Duchess which has just 53 people.

The government initially refused to name the towns, citing the “privacy” of Aboriginal groups which have lodged expressions of interest to have the land transferred to them as “inalienable freehold”.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/qld-politics/fifteen-queensland-t...

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Reply #8 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 9:39am

We've been through quite a bit, haven’t we?

It’s almost laughable that after nearly a year, some of the most vehement anti-Voice crusaders are still shedding tears over it, even after it was defeated, the very outcome they supposedly wanted. How tragic, to be so consumed by bitterness that even victory feels like a loss.

Time sure flies when you’re wallowing in hollow triumph, doesn’t it?

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Reply #9 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 9:42am

Editorial todays Courier Mail

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TRANSPARENCY IS A MUST ON NATIVE
TITLE
Why does it seem that governments never learn that secrecy does little more than encourage suspicion?

It is a reality driven by the truth that when governments withhold information, people – reasonably –ask: “What are they up to?”

The Miles government has for months now been doing all it can to keep Queenslanders in the dark about a raft of freehold land claims by
Indigenous corporations and groups on state land in 15 large and small townships across the state.

Its latest move is to inform us that it will not be releasing any further details about the expressions of interest from the various groups.

The Courier-Mail had requested access to the documents under Right to Information laws.

The fact that we had to use the RTI legal mechanism gives you an idea of
how reluctant a government that proudly – but erroneously – bills itself as
“open and transparent” has been to talk about the claims.

Indeed, we only know the names of the townships – and that there are 15 of them – because of our persistent badgering and the answers to
Questions on Notice that were asked by former One Nation MP Steve
Andrew.

And we really only know about the claims themselves because local
communities heard about them.

The transfers, made under the Aboriginal Land Act, have already caused uproar in communities, including Eurong and Happy Valley on K’gari
(Fraser Island) and Toobeah new Goondiwindi.

We thought our readers should know more. So we submitted our application for more information.

The Department of Resources twice requested extensions of time. Finally, it told us that even though a total of 163 relevant documents had been uncovered, we would not be allowed to view any of them.

The reason? We were advised that land transfer applications may contain culturally sensitive material about a person’s or a group’s connection to
the land and that they could also name dead people, “which, if released,
would breach the privacy of the deceased (and) may offend Aboriginal
people in accordance with culture or custom”.

The department’s RTI officer who wrote to us further noted that land
transfer applications might also cause conflict among Indigenous people if
they were made by individuals or groups who were viewed as having no
connection to the land.

We respect and understand the need for cultural sensitivity. And we recognise that these various land transfers are, on the face of it, quite
within the law – made under the Aboriginal Land Act or Torres Strait Islander Land Act.

But the government must also surely realise that this is a sensitive topic –
and that one of the reasons these proposed land transfers are so upsetting for locals is the secrecy and absence of a clear explanation about what is
going on.

Private freehold property is unaffected, which means existing landholders should having nothing to fear.

However, the government’s secrecy and
lack of consultation have done nothing but create a fertile breeding ground
for speculation about such questions as who will have access to newly
transferred land and ongoing care and maintenance, as well as the impact
on rates revenue.

We are now just 11 days away from the state election and the government
is in caretaker mode, which means – rightly – that no big decisions can be made until after the voters of Queensland make their own big decision.

But high on the list for the new administration after the election must surely be a revisiting of the whole process of land rights claims – to
address not only Indigenous cultural issues, but also the concerns of local communities.

These are sensitive issues, but they are also important.

A good start would be for a fair bit more openness and a fair bit less secrecy.

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Reply #10 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 9:48am

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 9:39am:

We've been through quite a bit, haven’t we?

It’s almost laughable that after nearly a year, some of the most vehement anti-Voice crusaders are still shedding tears over it, even after it was defeated, the very outcome they supposedly wanted. How tragic, to be so consumed by bitterness that even victory feels like a loss.

Time sure flies when you’re wallowing in hollow triumph, doesn’t it?

You just don't seem to follow do you Sacka?

It wasn't a hollow triumph - why would you say the most soundly defeated referendum in our Constitutional history was a hollow triumph?

- unless you know that the pro-Yes lobby is having a win behind the scenes with state Labor Govts implementing their own Voice, Treaty, Truth & reparations agenda by stealth?

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Reply #11 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 9:55am

Gnads wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 9:48am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 9:39am:

We've been through quite a bit, haven’t we?

It’s almost laughable that after nearly a year, some of the most vehement anti-Voice crusaders are still shedding tears over it, even after it was defeated, the very outcome they supposedly wanted. How tragic, to be so consumed by bitterness that even victory feels like a loss.

Time sure flies when you’re wallowing in hollow triumph, doesn’t it?

You just don't seem to follow do you Sacka?

It wasn't a hollow triumph - why would you say the most soundly defeated referendum in our Constitutional history was a hollow triumph?

- unless you know that the pro-Yes lobby is having a win behind the scenes with state Labor Govts implementing their own Voice, Treaty, Truth & reparations agenda by stealth?

It's the bleach they claim to be throwing in their own eyes to blind themselves to the truth - but their agenda is clear... just keep attacking and try to cover up the Voice By Stealth. This is a deliberate ploy... a smoke screen to try to discourage open and clear thinking about what is going on behind the people's backs.

The YES whingers are the ones keeping it going... look at the endless 'news' stories about their weeping and wailing a year later. This will become an annual event - another great day of mourning.

You're fooling nobody, Skanka. Are they paying you for this? Must be, with the time you spend on it.

Tick tock - it will all be over soon when the next round of elections come through...

Now then - what about our Mt Warning and Ayers Rock? And a few other places... time for the Re-Opening Ceremonies!

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Reply #12 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 10:06am

Note that these are not 'Native Title' claims for shared use - these are blatant freehold claims - demands for developed and developable land without payment and to be passed over as fully titled ownership outright.

This is what happens when 'mission creep' is allowed through the door with even the initial granting of limited 'native title' - it just keeps changing little by little until every claim is suddenly for freehold. And this is not just for a town block to build a home on, something nobody else is even considered for - it is for vast swathes of land - that one day will be the cause of Civil War.

Not One Person In Queensland Voted On This!! It's all been done behind the people's backs by faceless bureaucrats changing the meaning of things like 'title' etc ... 'ownership'.... nobody else can just grab a chunk of prime land freehold without payment.... this is Australia 2024 - not the old days of Aboriginal Imperialism by the Spear...

You must put a stop to this form of government Fascism NOW - get rid of all the Gauleiters and Kommissars installed under the Old Jobs For The Mates Club rules of appointed senior public service management (warned yez about that years ago - now the fruit is rotting on the tree - look at the farcical 'governor-general' - never did a thing worth anything in life but know some of the scum who handed her the fat job and cash for life)! The best course for the next government is to quash all these instantly, sack those responsible without payment, and get back to the reality of governing for all.

One Law For All - All Laws For One - Or No Law At All!!

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Reply #13 - Oct 17^th, 2024 at 2:44pm

Gnads wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 9:48am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 9:39am:

We've been through quite a bit, haven’t we?

It’s almost laughable that after nearly a year, some of the most vehement anti-Voice crusaders are still shedding tears over it, even after it was defeated, the very outcome they supposedly wanted. How tragic, to be so consumed by bitterness that even victory feels like a loss.

Time sure flies when you’re wallowing in hollow triumph, doesn’t it?

You just don't seem to follow do you Sacka?

It wasn't a hollow triumph - why would you say the most soundly defeated referendum in our Constitutional history was a hollow triumph?

- unless you know that the pro-Yes lobby is having a win behind the scenes with state Labor Govts implementing their own Voice, Treaty, Truth & reparations agenda by stealth?

Even if those things are happening, they are not "The Voice."

Just because you, and many like you, have decided to redefine what "The Voice" was, primarily so you can argue that anything benefiting Indigenous people after the referendum is undemocratic, doesn’t change its actual meaning, no matter how many times you repeat the lie. We’ve been over this again and again.

You choose to ignore the truth because it doesn’t align with your agenda.

The Voice was just one part of the Uluru Statement. If any of the other components that we didn’t vote on are being considered, that’s not “The Voice by stealth.”

That is the implementation of the other elements of the Uluru Statement.

These are separate issues.

At this point, I’m certain you’re not so ignorant as to misunderstand the difference. And that makes it worse, because it means you're deliberately lying after knowing better.

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Reply #14 - Oct 17^th, 2024 at 6:19pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 2:44pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 9:48am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 9:39am:

We've been through quite a bit, haven’t we?

It’s almost laughable that after nearly a year, some of the most vehement anti-Voice crusaders are still shedding tears over it, even after it was defeated, the very outcome they supposedly wanted. How tragic, to be so consumed by bitterness that even victory feels like a loss.

Time sure flies when you’re wallowing in hollow triumph, doesn’t it?

You just don't seem to follow do you Sacka?

It wasn't a hollow triumph - why would you say the most soundly defeated referendum in our Constitutional history was a hollow triumph?

- unless you know that the pro-Yes lobby is having a win behind the scenes with state Labor Govts implementing their own Voice, Treaty, Truth & reparations agenda by stealth?

Even if those things are happening, they are not "The Voice."

Just because you, and many like you, have decided to redefine what "The Voice" was, primarily so you can argue that anything benefiting Indigenous people after the referendum is undemocratic, doesn’t change its actual meaning, no matter how many times you repeat the lie. We’ve been over this again and again.

You choose to ignore the truth because it doesn’t align with your agenda.

The Voice was just one part of the Uluru Statement. If any of the other components that we didn’t vote on are being considered, that’s not “The Voice by stealth.”

That is the implementation of the other elements of the Uluru Statement.

These are separate issues.

At this point, I’m certain you’re not so ignorant as to misunderstand the difference. And that makes it worse, because it means you're deliberately lying after knowing better.

Stop right there ... you don't know what the Voice was .... those pushing didn't know exactly.

And the Uluru statement was & is all about (their) Truth, Treaty and Reparations.

And that's what is going on in every Labor State by stealth.

That you choose not to see it is your problem.

The mad rush on "Inalienable Freehold Native Title" claims that are being rushed through on the quiet by the QLD Labor Govt is proof that the whole exercise is about power and money(reparations/pay the rent).

Aboriginal bodies and people get enough already. $35 plus billion every year.

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