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Oct 15th, 2024 at 6:35am
 
Why is Australian politics grappling with the right to protest?

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Attempts to stifle protests of particular causes could damage Australian's right to protest, according to experts.   Sad



A push by New South Wales Premier Chris Minns to restrict protests if they prove too expensive or disruptive is another move in a long list of challenges to Australia’s right to protests, experts say.

Before pro-Palestinian protests in Sydney this month, Minns said police should be allowed to reject public assembly applications if the event will be too expensive for the state.


“It’s my view that police should be able to be in a position to deny a request for a march due to stretched police resourcing,” Minns told 2GB radio.

“Ultimately, this is taxpayer funds. It can only be distributed in a certain way.”

NSW originally applied to the state’s supreme court to block the protest from taking place, just one day before the anniversary of the October 7 attack on Israel, before reaching an agreement with organisers at the last minute.

Unions, including the police association, have pushed back against Minns’ assertion, with the head of Unions NSW stating that “democracy should not be monetised” by making organisers pay for police presence.


Unions and the police association have rebuked NSW Premier Chris Minns.

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Luke McNamara, a professor of law and justice at the University of New South Wales, said over the past decade various jurisdictions in Australia have created new offences, higher penalties and increased police power to restrict the right to protest.

“Increasingly, pressure is being brought to bear on Attorney Generals, Premiers and Chief Ministers of states and territories to do something about disruptive behaviour,” he said.



“If you are committed in a democracy to the right to protest, you have to accept that peaceful assembly, for it to be in any way effective or meaningful, has to have the capacity to grab attention, get people to listen to the message, whether they agree or not, and that inevitably involves a level of disruption.”

A report from the Human Rights Law Centre, examining bills across Australia over the past two decades that have affected the right to protest, found that Australians’ right to peacefully protest “is being steadily eroded”.

NSW, South Australia, Tasmania, Victoria and Queensland have all legislated anti-protest laws within the past five years, imposing penalties on people engaging in peaceful protest.

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These laws have targeted a range of different interest groups, ranging from environmentalists to pro-Palestinian advocates, but have all served to stifle the right to protest.

McNamara said the issue is that knee-jerk laws, such as having protest organisers pay for the police presence required, can be “deeply anti-democratic”.

“I’m troubled when there’s talk of large-scale change of parameters to a particular right, like the right to protest, based on discomfort with the particular content of a protest movement,” he said.

“The mere fact that Chris Minns has decided that those particular protesters and their cause is a problem is not an adequate justification for changing the parameters or the strength of the right to protest.”

Protest, as an act of civil disobedience, doesn’t necessarily require legality.

Most of the world’s most effective protests weren’t endorsed by the state or government they targeted.

McNamara said that Australia and liberal democracies can be hypocritical on civil disobedience.

“We celebrate those historical moments like when the Springboks were the subject of protests against South African apartheid and applaud the Martin Luther King-led civil rights protesters,” he said.

“We need some historical perceptive and to recognise that at the moment there is going to be a level of discomfort, disruption and unhappiness, but accept the right to protest.”
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Reply #1 - Oct 15th, 2024 at 6:36am
 
People should have a right to protest.   Sad
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Reply #2 - Oct 15th, 2024 at 6:53am
 
Australians have never had the right to protest in any way except the false claims of such. Across my whole lifetime the police have acted aggressively, violently and without respect to people's rights during peaceful protests. Very often the police will attack protesters and then claim that there was violence. They are correct but all the violence is typically exerted by the police. The action of police in protests is always supported in the courts. So people not only find themselves assaulted by the police but prosecuted and fined or imprisoned as well.

Australians have no right or ability to peacefully protest at all and never have. A protest is little more than an opportunity for the police to forcefully exercise their crowd control methods. There are exceptions and periods where it is done better but the risk of protest is huge.
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Reply #3 - Oct 15th, 2024 at 7:04am
 
The appropriate term is 'PEACEFUL protest' - to which I say YES - and the question of the day is whether or not protests in support of the world's most vile terrorists are in any way peaceful - or if they are instigating hate against specific groups = hate crimes in disguise.

We have not yet come to the point of declaring Hate Thought a crime - though the Lee decision over The Deuce comes mighty close to that principle (commonly called bias or prejudice or discrimination) in that it declared that an unproven event took place purely on assumption.

How easy is it to step from there to saying that 'belonging to a specified group in society' is also an offence in the public mind?  To 'the Jews are the enemy of the people'?  Does this not ring bells for you, Quasimodos?  We see several here ranting anti-Judaism on a daily basis, and exercising freediver's freedom of thought which permits them free speech.... of course nobody really expects Village Idiot #1 to go out and attack Jews - he'd be hammered, methinks .. all gutless clowns hide behind hyperbole on the internet.... and there are others here.

At what point does permitting vastly one-sided and aggressive protest become permitting the incitement of hatred and violence against members of OUR community, such as took place against Jewish students without reason?  The same people who did and/or allowed that were prepared to hang Trump for saying:- 'We're gonna go down to that Capitol and make our voices heard' or similar.... and yet are not prepared to apply the same standard to any 'politically acceptable' jihad from any group who think they feel aggrieved over issues far away and/or of the making of their own group.

I say any protest that holds a whiff of potential for violence should be licenced, and the principals named on paper, and having signed an agreement to accept responsibility for any outcomes and for the behaviour of their crowds.  Any acts of direct violence stemming from protests must be treated as hate crimes and all those responsible for promoting or actually performing must be punished severely.  Students parked outside universities in tent cities who assault other students must be dismissed from uni and arrested and charged and ordered to stay away.

At some point common sense and common decency and respect have to prevail.... and be enforced.

J'accuse!!
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Dnarever wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 6:53am:
Australians have never had the right to protest in any way except the false claims of such. Across my whole lifetime the police have acted aggressively, violently and without respect to people's rights during peaceful protests. Very often the police will attack protesters and then claim that there was violence. They are correct but all the violence is typically exerted by the police. The action of police in protests is always supported in the courts. So people not only find themselves assaulted by the police but prosecuted and fined or imprisoned as well.

Australians have no right or ability to peacefully protest at all and never have. A protest is little more than an opportunity for the police to forcefully exercise their crowd control methods. There are exceptions and periods where it is done better but the risk of protest is huge.



That's correct - we live in a police state.

They can spray you in the eyes with pepper spray - a form of dangerous torture - and get a way with it.

They can beat you to a pulp with a baton and get away with that too.
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Reply #5 - Oct 15th, 2024 at 10:06am
 
whiteknight wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 6:36am:
People should have a right to protest.   Sad



Not if they're chanting terrorist slogans and wearing terrorist headbands, waving the flags of terrorist organisations like Hamas or Hezbollah or waving photos of terrorist leaders.

Not if they're harassing, racially or religiously vilifying other Australians because they're Jewish & calling for the destruction of a democratic country that is our ally.

Not if they are any of the Palestinians that have been granted temporary visas into Australia.
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Reply #6 - Oct 15th, 2024 at 11:32am
 
A protest itself may at times be the subject of a counter-protest.
If protests are allowed so should be counter-protests?
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Reply #7 - Oct 15th, 2024 at 12:05pm
 
People seem unable to apply the principles to all religious, all ethicities, all sexual preferences, basically all differences between individuals.  That includes trans people, Muslims, gay people, Jews, etc.  They like to reserve their hatreds for whomever they dislike and they like to express them violently.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Yes out of that lot, a significant number of trans and Muslim people do like to express their difference in violence.  Gays not so much and Australian Jews hardly at all... they strive to be civilised ....
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Reply #9 - Oct 15th, 2024 at 12:25pm
 
tallowood wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 11:32am:
A protest itself may at times be the subject of a counter-protest.
If protests are allowed so should be counter-protests?



Of course - as long as they are separate and peaceful - if not separate but equal...
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 12:24pm:
Yes out of that lot, a significant number of trans and Muslim people do like to express their difference in violence.  Gays not so much and Australian Jews hardly at all... they strive to be civilised ....


There is no evidence of that...at all.  Graps you're reserving your hatreds just to yourself.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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whiteknight wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 6:36am:
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 12:24pm:
Yes out of that lot, a significant number of trans and Muslim people do like to express their difference in violence.  Gays not so much and Australian Jews hardly at all... they strive to be civilised ....


My top picks would be junkies and Nazis.
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Reply #13 - Oct 15th, 2024 at 5:28pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 2:05pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 12:24pm:
Yes out of that lot, a significant number of trans and Muslim people do like to express their difference in violence.  Gays not so much and Australian Jews hardly at all... they strive to be civilised ....


My top picks would be junkies and Nazis.


Not surprised you'd say that - the only people acting like Nazis are the Palestinian protesters.
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Reply #14 - Oct 15th, 2024 at 5:57pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 2:05pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 12:24pm:
Yes out of that lot, a significant number of trans and Muslim people do like to express their difference in violence.  Gays not so much and Australian Jews hardly at all... they strive to be civilised ....


My top picks would be junkies and Nazis.


Them too - I can't include everyone.... a broad scale and semi-civilised or theoretically civilised society has many dead end or blind canyons... it is the movement of the mass of the ocean of humanity that creates the weather... the rest are just local disturbances.
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