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bobby, Why can't Gazan's use the 100's kms of tunn
Oct 15^th, 2024 at 11:34am

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bobby, .....Why can't Gazan's use the 100's kms of tunnels ?

There are reported to be 100's kms of tunnels under Gaza.

Built by Hamas, for their fighters to use.

And, for the storage of rockets and other munitions.

Worldwide, everyday,
.....the MSM is reporting that many Gazan's are being killed and injured,
because Israel is targeting nearby Hamas militants.

Q.
Again, why can't Gazan's use the tunnels ?

A.
Because Hamas will not allow 'other' Gazan's to use the 100's kms of tunnels under Gaza,
as shelters.

Q.
Why not ?

< --- Isn't that, a very important question ?

Q.
Why won't Hamas commanders allow 'other' Gazan's to use the 100's kms of tunnels under Gaza ?

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Re: bobby, Why can't Gazan's use the 100's kms of tunn
Reply #2 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 11:45am

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 11:35am:

Most Gazans are not Hamas.

Q.
Who paid the costs, for all of
1 /the materials
and
2/ the excavations [underground] [that were necessary],
for the 100's kms of those tunnels, under Gaza ???

A.
All of those Western nations,
who - FOR YEARS AND YEARS - donated 'AID' [in material AND in cash] to Gaza.

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Re: bobby, Why can't Gazan's use the 100's kms of tunn
Reply #3 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 12:02pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 11:45am:

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 11:35am:

Most Gazans are not Hamas.

Q.
Who paid the costs, for all of
1 /the materials
and
2/ the excavations [underground] [that were necessary],
for the 100's kms of those tunnels, under Gaza ???

A.
All of those Western nations,
who - FOR YEARS AND YEARS - donated 'AID' [in material AND in cash] to Gaza.

Lets do this again. Gazans are not Hamas. They cant use Hamas tunnels.

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Re: bobby, Why can't Gazan's use the 100's kms of tunn
Reply #4 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 12:25pm

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 12:02pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 11:45am:

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 11:35am:

Most Gazans are not Hamas.

Q.
Who paid the costs, for all of
1 /the materials
and
2/ the excavations [underground] [that were necessary],
for the 100's kms of those tunnels, under Gaza ???

A.
All of those Western nations,
who - FOR YEARS AND YEARS - donated 'AID' [in material AND in cash] to Gaza.

Lets do this again.

Gazans are not Hamas. ****

They cant use Hamas tunnels.

OK, lets do this again.

Israel, are not targeting Gazan's.

Israel, are targeting HAMAS militants. .....HAMAS militants, who are choosing to set up the command structure,
among Gazan civilian infrastructure.

Yadda said......
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1716330435/9#9

****
And p.s...........i do not believe that, for a second.

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QUESTION;
Why is there a 'never ending' war.......in Gaza ?

Conveniently, the followers of ISLAM [themselves] present us with,
an explanation for their 'never ending' war
[if you will >> accept << that [i.e. their own] explanation ].

n.b.
This explanation is from a moslem cleric, an ISLAMIC holy man,
well versed in ISLAMIC >> religious << doctrine........

Quote:

There Can Be No End to Jihad'

Islamist Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, in an exclusive interview, discusses the rationale for 9/11
11/05/2007

...Any weapons are legitimate in jihad. Even animals may be used as "suicide bombers"! It is not restricted by target—

....even Muslims or children, if used by the enemy as human shields, can be killed.

....Killing women and children never was and never will be part of the jihad in Islam, whether that be the women or children of the Muslims or non-Muslims. So if Chechen mujahedeen killed women and children in Beslan, I would condemn it. The children of non-Muslims, such as those at Beslan, who die in such circumstances go to Paradise.

....Women and children [i.e. boys under 15] or Muslims are not legitimate targets—nor are any noncombatants [clergy, disabled, insane, elderly, etc.]. Not even Israeli children or women, unless they serve in the military, which most do, or live in properties taken from dispossessed Palestinians (Muslim or Christian), which virtually all do.

However, if children are killed, the fault lies with the adult occupiers who brought them into a battlefield situation.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/februaryweb-only/22.0.html

n.b.
That according to ISLAM's own 'rules of war',
those who bring children into conflict areas/scenarios, are responsible for their deaths.

Hamas.

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WWW search....

jihad - "we love death"

WWW search....

muslims "we love death"

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Yadda said.....
The culture that idolizes murder, and loves death
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1550834051/0#0
Quote:

Quote:

"The Koran is our constitution"

"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"

"Jihad is our path"

"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"

- Mild mannered - Mohammed Morsi - one time Ex-President of Egypt

QUESTION;

Are any political leaders, of Western nations listening,
to what ISLAM and its followers are SAYING,
and how the followers of ISLAM speak, among themselves ?

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Re: bobby, Why can't Gazan's use the 100's kms of tunn
Reply #6 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 12:30pm

Because Egypt filled those along the Phildalphi Line with sewerage raw ... to prevent Gazans from crossing the border into Egyptian held territory - note I do not say 'Egyptian Territory' - it is territory held by them in agreement with Israel, for as long as peace reigns....

And all we are saying - is give peace a chance.... Stop The Violent One-Sided Protests!! Cool

Note:- Nice to see some of you using that term 'Gazans' instead of 'Palestinians' ... hope you learned that from me posting it ages ago for reality's sake - now repeat after me - not Anti-Semitism - Judeophobia the more direct attack on Jews and Judaism.

'No, no!', they preach , 'we're against ZIONISM, not Jews and Judaism.... just like the rabid feminists aren't against men but only against the Patriarchy!' ....

....... sure, sure.... but every time it's down at ground zero, it's ALL about Jews and Judaism, and not Zionism..... and it's ALL about men, and not any 'patriarchy'.

Self-delusion, Poppets - to try to make out you are not just a common sewer rat hater and supremacist .... but some humanitarian idealist just seeking 'equality'.... seems I've heard that word more often than I've heard 'resilience' - and if I hear 'resilience' one more time ......

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Re: bobby, Why can't Gazan's use the 100's kms of tunn
Reply #7 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 12:50pm

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 12:02pm:

Lets do this again.

Gazans are not Hamas. ****

They cant use Hamas tunnels.

OK, lets do this again.

If HAMAS 'own' the tunnels under Gaza,
why can't HAMAS allow Gazan's to use HAMAS's tunnels....as a 'sanctuary' ?

tickleandrose,

Q.
Again, why can't Hamas allow Gazan's to use the tunnels, as a refuge, as a sanctuary ?

Q.
Why not ?

< --- Isn't that, a very important question ?

Q.
Why won't Hamas commanders allow 'other' Gazan's to use the 100's kms of tunnels under Gaza,
as a refuge, as a sanctuary ?

I'm sorry, and i apologise.

I keep repeating myself.

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Re: bobby, Why can't Gazan's use the 100's kms of tunn
Reply #8 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 12:56pm

Re Yadda

We can go at it all day long.

- Hamas has control of these tunnels. It does not matter who ended up paying for it. They control it, and its not for the Gazans to access.
- Giving Gazan access, will mean giving IDF access. HAMAS is cruel, and calculating, but they are not stupid.
- If the Gazans DO have access to the tunnels, then, they will be viewed by the IDF as combatants, and be killed anyway. In fact, civilians had being avoiding hospitals and schools when they can.

So, you have a situation where, if you are a Gazan, you are not allowed into the tunnels, and you will be too scared to use it even if you can.

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Reply #9 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 1:13pm

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 12:56pm:

Re Yadda

We can go at it all day long.

- Hamas has control of these tunnels. It does not matter who ended up paying for it.

They control it, and its not for the Gazans to access.

- Giving Gazan access, will mean giving IDF access.

HAMAS is cruel, and calculating, but they are not stupid.

- If the Gazans DO have access to the tunnels, then, they will be viewed by the IDF as combatants, and be killed anyway. In fact, civilians had being avoiding hospitals and schools when they can.

So, you have a situation where,
if you are a Gazan, you are not allowed into the tunnels, and you will be too scared to use it even if you can.

tickleandrose,

So HAMAS made a war, ....CHOSE to begin a war,
......with the Israelis.......
......but HAMAS did not make any, any, any provision, for the safety of non-combatants in Gaza, during that war.

YOU ARE MAKING AN ARGUMENT,
that HAMAS are a bigger enemy [and a bigger danger] to Gazan's......than the Israelis are.

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Reply #11 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 1:29pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 1:13pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 12:56pm:

Re Yadda

We can go at it all day long.

- Hamas has control of these tunnels. It does not matter who ended up paying for it.

They control it, and its not for the Gazans to access.

- Giving Gazan access, will mean giving IDF access.

HAMAS is cruel, and calculating, but they are not stupid.

- If the Gazans DO have access to the tunnels, then, they will be viewed by the IDF as combatants, and be killed anyway. In fact, civilians had being avoiding hospitals and schools when they can.

So, you have a situation where,
if you are a Gazan, you are not allowed into the tunnels, and you will be too scared to use it even if you can.

tickleandrose,

So HAMAS made, CHOSE to begin a war, ......with the Israelis.......
......but HAMAS not make any, any, any provision, for the safety of non-combatants in Gaza, during that war.

YOU ARE MAKING AN ARGUMENT,
that HAMAS are a bigger enemy [and a bigger danger] to Gazan's......than the Israelis are.

This war in Middle East did not start with HAMAS. It was continued under HAMAS. It is not like, the Gazas lived in paradise, when HAMAS decided to wage war against Israel. People were driven from their homes, their lives destroyed, and they were made to live like non humans that formed the catalyst for existence of groups like HAMAS. Even if HAMAS is destroyed, there will be other groups as long as the underlying fundamentals still remain the same. And that is: the Gazans want to return to their homeland. But Israel wont let that happen.

Let me also remind you that it is the Israel weapons that killed the Gazans. So, far, since this phase of the war started, 42000 - mainly woman and children have lost their lives. And now, there are talks of cutting food and supplies to Northern Gaza all together. Winter is coming to the middle East, tens of thousands of more will die in the coming months. And they are all deliberate acts by the IDF.

You can claim that IDF is using precision weapons, and the HAMAS is using human shields. But the truth is IDF dont give rats ass about how many they killed, or what or who they kill. They are willing to kill 100 just to get to one target. They dont see Gazans as human beings. And that is the cruel reality we live it.

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Reply #13 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 5:52pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 1:24pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 11:34am:

Q.
bobby, .....Why can't Gazan's use the 100's kms of tunnels ?

I assume you can't put many people into those tunnels due to a lack of ventilation?

But is there really a 'lack of ventilation' in the tunnels ?

bobby,

The IDF believe that HAMAS leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar, and his whole family,
are living in the tunnels.

And how many other HAMAS commanders and their families ?

bobby,

When HAMAS planned building their tunnels, they would have also provided for ventilation in those tunnels.

Else, how could HAMAS cadres safely enter the tunnels, in order to retrieve their own rockets and munitions ?

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Reply #14 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 6:00pm

John Smith wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 5:03pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 11:34am:

bobby, .....Why can't Gazan's use the 100's kms of tunnels ?

because the tunnels,
like everything else Mossad says,
are fictional

'THERE ARE NO TUNNELS UNDER GAZA.'

Yeah, that is correct John Smith. Shocked

IMO, you are 'unhinged', irrational and demented, John Smith.

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