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Re: bobby, Why can't Gazan's use the 100's kms of tunn
Reply #15 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 6:13pm

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 1:29pm:

You can claim that IDF is using precision weapons, and the HAMAS is using human shields.

But the truth is IDF dont give rats ass about how many they killed, or what or who they kill.

They are willing to kill 100 just to get to one target.

They dont see Gazans as human beings.

And that is the cruel reality we live it.

That opinion is 1/ ISLAMIST and 2/ demented, imo.

But that is OK.

I want to know what others believe.

What opinions they hold.

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Deceit is in the heart of them that imagine evil: but to the counsellors of peace is joy.

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Re: bobby, Why can't Gazan's use the 100's kms of tunn
Reply #16 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 6:50pm

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 1:29pm:

This war in Middle East did not start with HAMAS.

It was continued under HAMAS.

It is not like, the Gazas lived in paradise, when HAMAS decided to wage war against Israel.

People were driven from their homes, their lives destroyed, and they were made to live like non humans that formed the catalyst for existence of groups like HAMAS.
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WRONG

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Even if HAMAS is destroyed, there will be other groups as long as the underlying fundamentals still remain the same.

And that is: the Gazans want to return to their homeland.

But Israel wont let that happen.

Some of what you said is true.

But NOT for the causes which you present, imo.

e,g,
the Gazans want to return to their homeland.

---- > The Gazans want....TO DESTROY THE LOCAL INFIDEL, IN THEIR MIDST - ISRAEL.

THE SOLE REASON,
FOR THE WARS AGAINST ISRAEL, IS ABOUT THE MOHAMMEDAN JIHAD,
AGAINST DISBELIEVERS,
PRESCR5IBED IN THE KORAN.

What follows, is the TRUTH.......

To the devout follower of ISLAM, the WHOLE WORLD IS, 'the house of war',
aka, Dar al-Harb.

That, is why Hamas is at war with the LOCAL infidels/disbelievers [aka Israel, and, all disbelievers].

HAMAS is an acronym for......"ISLAMIC Resistance Movement"

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More is explained here ------- >

Video score; 5/5

@ 55 seconds "What about the millions of moslems across the world, who do not engage in JIHAD ???...."

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Mosab Hasan Yosef CRUSHES woke guy:
"Islam is NOT a Religion of Peace!
It's a Mental Illness"

15 min

Sep 24, 2024

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu7qTV_FtDk

Douglas Murray and Co. Debates https://www.youtube.com/@DouglasMurrayandco

Quote:

Son of extremist Islamic Hmas founder, Mosab Hasan Yosef explains Islam and the extremism he sees is at its heart.

Interviewed here by a young guy who nows very little about the subject, Mosab manages to answer his woke attitude well by undercutting the tired old arguments one hears all too often.

Very useful video for destroying woke idiot arguments.

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Re: bobby, Why can't Gazan's use the 100's kms of tunn
Reply #17 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 7:24pm

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 1:29pm:

You can claim that IDF is using precision weapons, and the HAMAS is using human shields.

But the truth is IDF dont give rats ass about how many they killed, or what or who they kill.

They are willing to kill 100 just to get to one target.

They dont see Gazans as human beings.

And that is the cruel reality we live it.

Jewish Law is not barbaric. Jewish culture is not barbaric.

Compare Jewish Law, alongside what ISLAMIC law says, is lawful.

The God of Israel, in HIS Law, tells HIS people to LOVE the stranger living among them.

[ n.b.
The God of Israel, >> DOES NOT << tell HIS people to excuse murder [or other real crimes] committed by the stranger living among them. ]

examples cited here ------- >

Yadda said......
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1726841920/149#149

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Re: bobby, Why can't Gazan's use the 100's kms of tunn
Reply #18 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 7:29pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 5:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 1:24pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 11:34am:

Q.
bobby, .....Why can't Gazan's use the 100's kms of tunnels ?

I assume you can't put many people into those tunnels due to a lack of ventilation?

But is there really a 'lack of ventilation' in the tunnels ?

bobby,

The IDF believe that HAMAS leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar, and his whole family,
are living in the tunnels.

And how many other HAMAS commanders and their families ?

bobby,

When HAMAS planned building their tunnels, they would have also provided for ventilation in those tunnels.

Else, how could HAMAS cadres safely enter the tunnels, in order to retrieve their own rockets and munitions ?

But they can't put 1 million people into those tunnels -
maybe they can put only a dozen people here or there.
The tunnels would need a massive ventilation system to provide air for more people.
That requires 3 phase power and industrial fans.
Tunnels quickly run out of oxygen.

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Re: bobby, Why can't Gazan's use the 100's kms of tunn
Reply #20 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 7:58pm

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 1:29pm:

But the truth is IDF dont give rats ass about how many they killed, or what or who they kill.

They are willing to kill 100 just to get to one target.

They dont see Gazans as human beings.

tickleandrose,

Although..........you accuse the IDF of randomly and intentionally, AND WANTONLY, slaughtering Gazan's.
......your description, imo, could be applied, exactly, to the >> Gazan's << who on Oct, 7th, 2023, broke through a border fence with Israel. !!!!

tickleandrose,

OK, you told me 'your reason' for your cause.

Now, please watch this following video....
...it consists only of descriptive debate, with some invective.

It is an account of.......A RECORDED EVENT,
of how >> Gazan's << on Oct, 7th, 2023, ACTUALLY broke through a border fence,
and, brutally, slaughtered many Israeli civilians.

ALSO........I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL,
TO READ THE COMMENTS AT THE YOUTUBE PAGE

Hamas Knew This Would Happen...

12 min
Oct 8, 2024

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlJ-eEfcdHU

Nick Freitas https://www.youtube.com/@Nickjfreitas

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Re: bobby, Why can't Gazan's use the 100's kms of tunn
Reply #21 - Oct 15^th, 2024 at 8:15pm

tickleandrose said.......
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the Gazans want to return to their homeland.

Yadda wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 7:58pm:

ALSO........I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL,
TO READ THE COMMENTS AT THE YOUTUBE PAGE

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@venko-fu4vm
5 days ago

A crash course on the history of the PALESTINIAN "STATE":

1. Before Israel, there was a British mandate, not a Palestinian state.

2. Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state.

3. Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state.

4. Before the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayyubid Arab-Kurdish Empire, not a Palestinian state.

5. Before the Ayyubid Empire, there was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state.

6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem, there was the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, not a Palestinian state.

7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, there was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state.

8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were the Sassanids, not a Palestinian state.

9. Before the Sassanid Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state.

10. Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state.

11. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state.

12. Before the Hasmonean state, there was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state.

13. Before the Seleucid empire, there was the empire of Alexander the Great, not a Palestinian state.

14. Before the empire of Alexander the Great, there was the Persian empire, not a Palestinian state.

15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state.

16. Before the Babylonian Empire, there were the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state.

17. Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state.

18. Before the kingdom of Israel, there was the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, not a Palestinian state.

19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state.

20. Actually, in this piece of land there has been everything, EXCEPT A PALESTINIAN STATE.

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ADDITIONAL, from my archive......

Yadda wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 12:08am:

Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history

Could you answer some basic questions about the country of Palestine ? :

1. When was it founded and by whom?

2. What language did the Palestinians speak?

3. What writing [script] did they use?

4. What manuscripts did they leave?

5. What was their religion?

6. Where are their temples?

7. What monuments attest to their existence?

8. What were its borders?

9. What was the name of its capital?

10. What were its major cities?

11. What constituted the basis of its economy?

12. What was the name of the currency that they used?

13. What was its form of government?

14. What achievements have they accomplished?

15. What other peoples did Palestine interact with?

16. Where can one find any [historic] records, wherein the country of Palestine and its people are mentioned?

17. What archaeological sites can one name?

18. Where can one find the recorded history of these people?

19. Whom did they conquer?, or, were conquered by?

20. Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation [or doubt]?

21. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine?

22. Can anyone name at least five Palestinian leaders before Arafat?

23. Finally, since there is no such recognised country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?

Further, why did these proud 'Palestinians' between 1948 and 1967, passively, allow themselves to be occupied by the Jordanians in the 'West Bank', and by the Egyptians in Gaza?

Those Q's [above] are taken from;

Part 142 - Palestine and Palestinians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04iGfi9No6M

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'The Palestinian State', is a national entity that has never existed, and which can never exist, except within the borders of Jordan [the nation which is the ancient homeland of all of the 'Palestinian' people].

Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1392646116/0#0

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Re: bobby, Why can't Gazan's use the 100's kms of tunn
Reply #22 - Oct 16^th, 2024 at 7:13am

Re Yadda

Palestine is just a name. But people that lived there, up until Israel independence, did so for many generations before that. They were purged, and driven out of their homes. It does not matter what manuscripts that was left behind thousands of years ago. The purge happened.

But before we move on a tangent. I wanted know about how you feel when you hear, or see Gazans - innocent ones who died in this conflict. Now, I know your biblical opinion. Is that, you believe, it is okay for them to die because Islam is evil, and its a cult of death, that they wanted to die.

I wanted to know about your emotional reaction. When you hear about innocent lives loss. Do you feel happy and elated? Sad or regretful? Or indifferent?

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Re: bobby, Why can't Gazan's use the 100's kms of tunn
Reply #23 - Oct 16^th, 2024 at 7:16am

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-821752

Lebanon was part of the Land of Israel and was given to the Jewish people by God,
citing verses that claimed that the Land of Israel
stretched until the Euphrates River.

Israeli Rabbi calls for Israel to conquer Lebanon and settle it
Ginsburgh is associated with the Chabad movement and is currently
head of Od Yosef Chai yeshiva in the West Bank, he is a well regarded kabbahlist.

By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
SEPTEMBER 25, 2024 20:14
Updated: SEPTEMBER 27, 2024 18:23

A gift given to the Jewish people

He highlighted that Lebanon was part of the Land of Israel and was given to the Jewish people by God,
citing verses that claimed that the Land of Israel stretched until the Euphrates River.
"In our generation, God gives us the ability to receive the gift [of Israel] again, to conquer and settle the land."

"Today it is clear that the time has come to conquer the Lebanese territories as well,
only in this way can the threat be removed and true peace brought to the entire country.
After the conquest and expulsion of the hostile population,
a Jewish settlement must be established, thus completing the victory."

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Re: bobby, Why can't Gazan's use the 100's kms of tunn
Reply #24 - Oct 16^th, 2024 at 7:19am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 16^th, 2024 at 7:16am:

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-821752

Lebanon was part of the Land of Israel and was given to the Jewish people by God,
citing verses that claimed that the Land of Israel
stretched until the Euphrates River.

Israeli Rabbi calls for Israel to conquer Lebanon and settle it
Ginsburgh is associated with the Chabad movement and is currently
head of Od Yosef Chai yeshiva in the West Bank, he is a well regarded kabbahlist.

By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
SEPTEMBER 25, 2024 20:14
Updated: SEPTEMBER 27, 2024 18:23

A gift given to the Jewish people

He highlighted that Lebanon was part of the Land of Israel and was given to the Jewish people by God,
citing verses that claimed that the Land of Israel stretched until the Euphrates River.
"In our generation, God gives us the ability to receive the gift [of Israel] again, to conquer and settle the land."

"Today it is clear that the time has come to conquer the Lebanese territories as well,
only in this way can the threat be removed and true peace brought to the entire country.
After the conquest and expulsion of the hostile population,
a Jewish settlement must be established, thus completing the victory."

The Israel Rabi need to know that throughout history, any empire that was built on blood and sufferings of others do not last. Those "true peace" that he seek were just illusions of peace upon an under current of violence and oppression. Deep down, he knows that, even if he is able to obtain those lands with violence and displacement, his own conscious will torment him for the rest of his life.

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Re: bobby, Why can't Gazan's use the 100's kms of tunn
Reply #25 - Oct 16^th, 2024 at 7:32am

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 16^th, 2024 at 7:19am:

The Israel Rabi need to know that throughout history, any empire that was built on blood and sufferings of others do not last. Those "true peace" that he seek were just illusions of peace upon an under current of violence and oppression. Deep down, he knows that, even if he is able to obtain those lands with violence and displacement, his own conscious will torment him for the rest of his life.

Well - the Jews have kicked millions of other people out of Israel -
many went to Jordan and Lebanon -
Israel will continue that by kicking people out of Lebanon -
that's what it's all about.
By the way - Lebanon has much nicer land than Israel -
it has mountain streams and rivers that flow all year round and rich farmland.
Israel is mostly reclaimed desert with poor soil and relies upon mostly desalinated water -

so of course they want Lebanon - and they'll get it too - all of it.

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