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Reply #15 - Oct 19th, 2024 at 6:35am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 4:33am:
No answer to the question of what he should 'apologise' for?  I'm sure he feels sorry about the hardships of the past... he's a sensitive person - but personally say Sorry?  For what?

Charles, the man, can reject any suggestion that he must personally apologise for anything he was not responsible for.

Charles III, as sovereign, may be advised (in Australia by the G-G on advice from the Australian PM) to apologise for wrongdoing by the state (or the Crown) - advice he is duty-bound to accept.

However, he can delegate that responsibility to the G-G, who represents the sovereign (the Crown) in all matters of state.

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Reply #16 - Oct 19th, 2024 at 7:18am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 5:41pm:



should he walk across the bridge holding a sorry sign and then retire to brunch with the chattering classes like bwians colleagues did  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #17 - Oct 19th, 2024 at 11:31am
 
No.

The apology has already been made, we should be working away from that towards truth telling and reconciliation.
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Reply #18 - Oct 19th, 2024 at 12:26pm
 
Yeah - that story from that woman about her grandmother being shot in the hip and the bullet traveling all down her leg and lodging in her foot for life during The Great Massacre of 1873 that took place in 1931 instead has to be perpetuated as truth!!

The weeping woman on television crying about her great-grandmother being taken prisoner at the Appin Massacre (retaliatory campaign by law officers and posse) and put in the home at Parramatata etc - they all live more than 100 years you know... the Appin Campaign was in 1816 .... has to have her story sanctified.... bloody hard to have to deal with that all those 200 + years ago from your comfortable living room after a good feed, then sit down to watch television and have a good cry over people you never met.  We could be speaking of the Arabs and other primitives.

1816 - my German Jewish forebears ... wonder how many were victims and how in Germany.... duzzen madda - Hitler caught up with them all from Hamburg in the 1940's anyway... we just don't cry about it all the time but get on with things.

I had a hypochondriac grandma - she was anaemic at one time in her life - her story was that she had only ONE tiny drop of blood in her veins that traveled around and around and that was all that kept her alive!! But she still had four kids!!  At least she didn't have the burden of a bullet in the foot for life... yeah... but  if it weren't for my grand father's DNA I would have said, given their differences, those four kids were adopted..... maybe he bred 'em and brought 'em home while he was away train driving all over the state...

And the more often people sit around the campfire pondering on these things, the taller the stories get .... and one day are accepted as truth.... true stories!  That, of course, is why all the ancient fables etc are called ....... (distant approaching thunder) ....... MYTHOLOGY!   Shocked

BIIIIG Tatanka!!
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Reply #19 - Oct 19th, 2024 at 12:30pm
 
Now - reconciliation..... hmmm... first drain the rot-filled billabongs...

You all know what those are...... they generally come under corruption, violence, crime, home/family abuse and violence, neglect, refusal of education.... still waging war between small groups, like at Wadeye... you know the drift.

It's difficult to keep your mind on great and sweeping improvements when you are up to your earballs in that kind of cess pit....

Drain The Billabongs!  Then you can talk all the empty words you like......

Any more on the latest corruption scandals?  All that funding gone with the wind again ....   Cool
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Reply #20 - Oct 19th, 2024 at 12:45pm
 
Now that we've got you settled in your bullshit again, skanka - what EXACTLY are your plans for 'reconciliation'?

Cheap and empty words just won't cut it.... so get on with it....
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Reply #21 - Oct 19th, 2024 at 4:18pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 12:45pm:
Now that we've got you settled in your bullshit again, skanka - what EXACTLY are your plans for 'reconciliation'?

Cheap and empty words just won't cut it.... so get on with it....


So, after unleashing not one but two uncontrolled, emotion-driven tirades full of petty insults and name-calling, you now have the audacity to expect me to pretend none of it happened and engage in a 'good faith' discussion about reconciliation? Do you even listen to the nonsense that comes out of your mouth? What, exactly, am I supposed to do with that incoherent mess?
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Reply #22 - Oct 19th, 2024 at 4:25pm
 
Setanta wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:58pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:43pm:
Didn't happen during his reign - IF it did in the way it is described.

What are you imagining he should apologise for?


For the unchosen privilege of being born to his parents and being European?


That would be a typical leftoids answer.

In that you should include every Colonial European country?

The Dutch, The Spaniards, the Portuguese etc.

They helped colonise the whole globe ... and bring civilisation and prosperity with it.

So as I understand the lefty simplistic view the rest of the globe outside those empirical countries let alone all the conquering dynsaties before them ... should have left all the primitives be primitives?

They're phukin lunatics.

(Edited as I misread the author.) Wink
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Reply #23 - Oct 19th, 2024 at 4:41pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 4:18pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 12:45pm:
Now that we've got you settled in your bullshit again, skanka - what EXACTLY are your plans for 'reconciliation'?

Cheap and empty words just won't cut it.... so get on with it....


So, after unleashing not one but two uncontrolled, emotion-driven tirades full of petty insults and name-calling, you now have the audacity to expect me to pretend none of it happened and engage in a 'good faith' discussion about reconciliation? Do you even listen to the nonsense that comes out of your mouth? What, exactly, am I supposed to do with that incoherent mess?


Tirades?  Oooh - you ARE fantasising and exaggerating and losing control....  I mention your bullshit, tell you cheap and empty won't cut it - you scream 'tirade' and wail uncontrollably.

Is it ever at all possible for you to just answer a question instead of evading?

Should I remove the unnecessary detritus from your comment above and  just force you to the question?  Why don't you just admit you have no answers and are just trying to cover your ignorance with bluster?
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Reply #24 - Oct 19th, 2024 at 4:42pm
 
All right - let's remove the rubbish from your response:-

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 4:18pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 12:45pm:
Now that we've got you settled in your bullshit again, skanka - what EXACTLY are your plans for 'reconciliation'?

Cheap and empty words just won't cut it.... so get on with it....



Now then - how do YOU propose we all go about 'reconcilation'?  Start by giving us your **chuckles** 'definition' of 'reconciliation'.
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Reply #25 - Oct 20th, 2024 at 7:51am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 4:42pm:
All right - let's remove the rubbish from your response:-

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 4:18pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 12:45pm:
Now that we've got you settled in your bullshit again, skanka - what EXACTLY are your plans for 'reconciliation'?

Cheap and empty words just won't cut it.... so get on with it....



Now then - how do YOU propose we all go about 'reconcilation'?  Start by giving us your **chuckles** 'definition' of 'reconciliation'.


Alright, I’ll give you one last chance at a genuine discussion, but let’s set some ground rules first.

Do you actually want the real answer, the well-considered, informed one that might take a bit longer to unpack? Or are you just fishing for a quick one-liner you can conveniently ignore or twist, like you've been doing lately?

And since this is meant to be a discussion, what are you bringing to the table? Will you finally explain why you’re so against moving forward on reconciliation? Or why you seem hell-bent on opposing every single policy or announcement that could benefit Indigenous people?

Is that too much to ask for in return?
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Reply #26 - Oct 20th, 2024 at 10:14am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 20th, 2024 at 7:51am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 4:42pm:
All right - let's remove the rubbish from your response:-

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 4:18pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19th, 2024 at 12:45pm:
Now that we've got you settled in your bullshit again, skanka - what EXACTLY are your plans for 'reconciliation'?

Cheap and empty words just won't cut it.... so get on with it....



Now then - how do YOU propose we all go about 'reconcilation'?  Start by giving us your **chuckles** 'definition' of 'reconciliation'.




Just took away all your personal slagging and animosity - left nothing in your post... sorry 'bout that.

Tell us all what your 'definition' of reconciliation is, what you consider that reconciliation entails, and how YOU would go about it.

I'm just trying to get a reasonable answer to reasonable questions about the push for Apartheid here... hold a reasonable discussion.. set some decent ground rules by leading by behaviour/actions here..... I doubt I could be fairer than that....   Cool
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Re: Should King Charles say, "Sorry"?
Reply #27 - Oct 20th, 2024 at 10:30am
 
The OP's question has an obvious answer.

Charles Mountbatten-Windsor cannot apologise personally as he did not commit the crimes and wrongs.

Charles III must not apologise unilaterally, as he can only act, as head of state, on the advice of the PM via the G-G.

The question is:

Should the Australian people apologise for past wrongdoing via our representatives in Parliament and expressed by our head of state - be that Charles III or his representative the Governor-General, alongside or not our Prime Minister?

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Reply #28 - Oct 20th, 2024 at 10:41am
 

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20th, 2024 at 10:30am:
The OP's question has an obvious answer.

Charles Mountbatten-Windsor cannot apologise personally as he did not commit the crimes and wrongs.

Charles III must not apologise unilaterally, as he can only act, as head of state, on the advice of the PM via the G-G.

The question is:

Should the Australian people apologise for past wrongdoing via our representatives in Parliament and expressed by our head of state - be that Charles III or his representative the Governor-General, alongside or not our Prime Minister?




Again NO - let those responsible apologise - I can only offer sympathy over the past.  Now be realistic and move to the present and consider the future.
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Reply #29 - Oct 20th, 2024 at 1:28pm
 
Sorry for what?

Brining civilisation to primitives
Helping to increase their life spans.
Getting them KFC and centalink.

Seems to me the aboriginals need to say thanks.
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