Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 3 ... 7
Send Topic Print
Should King Charles say, "Sorry"? (Read 2042 times)
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 41868
Should King Charles say, "Sorry"?
Oct 17th, 2024 at 5:41pm
 
Back to top
 

Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Gnads
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 29621
Gender: male
Re: Should King Charles say, "Sorry"?
Reply #1 - Oct 17th, 2024 at 5:47pm
 
Back to top
 

"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais
 
IP Logged
 
MeisterEckhart
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12505
Gender: male
Re: Should King Charles say, "Sorry"?
Reply #2 - Oct 17th, 2024 at 6:18pm
 
Charles III is the Australian head of state.

He takes on all the responsibilities for the actions/inactions of past holders of the office in his role as head of state.

Personal (non)responsibility has nothing to do with it.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 105089
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Should King Charles say, "Sorry"?
Reply #3 - Oct 17th, 2024 at 6:39pm
 
What would Blair Cottrell say?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ChuDnICOdgI9

QUOTE -

Such as when is it gunna be enough?
how much money do these people need?
how much blood do these people need?
how much sacrifice on our behalf is gunna be enough for them
for them to finally feel like they're satisfied? -
and the answer is it will never be enough
it's never gunna be enough -
if you support this Voice referendum thing -
that's not gunna be enough -
there's gunna be something after that
and then there's gunna be something after that -
as Joel explained they're gunna be pushing
and pushing and pushing as much as possible
so you have to say no from the beginning - yeah -
you have to say no to everything these people ask for
and everything they demand -
they have no right to demand anything.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 84668
Proud pre-1850's NO Voter
Gender: male
Re: Should King Charles say, "Sorry"?
Reply #4 - Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:06pm
 
Why?  What did he ever do to anyone?

He can offer sympathy ..... we all pay respect to all the wrongs on any side..... and truth-telling will support that or it is not truth-telling at all.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:58pm by Grappler Truth Teller Feller »  

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
UnSubRocky
Gold Member
*****
Online


Crocodile Hunter: Origins

Posts: 25001
Rockhampton
Gender: male
Re: Should King Charles say, "Sorry"?
Reply #5 - Oct 18th, 2024 at 9:36am
 
I think King Charles has enough on his agenda. Why should he worry about the feelings of a few racist indigenous people in Australia? King Charles has only been king for 2 years.
Back to top
 

At this stage...
WWW  
IP Logged
 
MeisterEckhart
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12505
Gender: male
Re: Should King Charles say, "Sorry"?
Reply #6 - Oct 18th, 2024 at 9:57am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:06pm:
Why?  What did he ever do to anyone?

So you're not familiar with the governance structure under the Westminster system, then.

Headed by the sovereign, which is a singular and eternal role, (which is why the role and its responsibilities transfer to the heir-presumptive without process immediately upon the death of the former sovereign).

At the moment of accession, the new sovereign becomes two persons - the body natural and the body politic.

The body politic is the eternal sovereign - the singular head of state who is responsible for all past, present and future acts of the state.

As the body-politic, the sovereign - Charles III, in the body-natural of Charles Mountbatten-Windsor, is responsible for all committed acts of state.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Gnads
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 29621
Gender: male
Re: Should King Charles say, "Sorry"?
Reply #7 - Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:31pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 9:57am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:06pm:
Why?  What did he ever do to anyone?

So you're not familiar with the governance structure under the Westminster system, then.

Headed by the sovereign, which is a singular and eternal role, (which is why the role and its responsibilities transfer to the heir-presumptive without process immediately upon the death of the former sovereign).

At the moment of accession, the new sovereign becomes two persons - the body natural and the body politic.

The body politic is the eternal sovereign - the singular head of state who is responsible for all past, present and future acts of the state.

As the body-politic, the sovereign - Charles III, in the body-natural of Charles Mountbatten-Windsor, is responsible for all committed acts of state.


I know it's simplistic ..... but bollocks.
Back to top
 

"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais
 
IP Logged
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 84668
Proud pre-1850's NO Voter
Gender: male
Re: Should King Charles say, "Sorry"?
Reply #8 - Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:43pm
 
Didn't happen during his reign - IF it did in the way it is described.

What are you imagining he should apologise for?
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
MeisterEckhart
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12505
Gender: male
Re: Should King Charles say, "Sorry"?
Reply #9 - Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:52pm
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:31pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 9:57am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 17th, 2024 at 10:06pm:
Why?  What did he ever do to anyone?

So you're not familiar with the governance structure under the Westminster system, then.

Headed by the sovereign, which is a singular and eternal role, (which is why the role and its responsibilities transfer to the heir-presumptive without process immediately upon the death of the former sovereign).

At the moment of accession, the new sovereign becomes two persons - the body natural and the body politic.

The body politic is the eternal sovereign - the singular head of state who is responsible for all past, present and future acts of the state.

As the body-politic, the sovereign - Charles III, in the body-natural of Charles Mountbatten-Windsor, is responsible for all committed acts of state.


I know it's simplistic ..... but bollocks.

It is how the enduring role of the sovereign is understood, such that the sovereign is responsible for all acts of state. Any apology (such as the one Elizabeth II made to the Maori people of NZ) is made as the sovereign, not as Elizabeth Windsor.

https://teara.govt.nz/en/video/33050/royal-apology-to-tainui-1995#:~:text=During...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
MeisterEckhart
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12505
Gender: male
Re: Should King Charles say, "Sorry"?
Reply #10 - Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:54pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:43pm:
Didn't happen during his reign - IF it did in the way it is described.

What are you imagining he should apologise for?

The role of the sovereign endures through history and is actioned by the current reigning monarch who is responsible for all acts of state made in the name of any former monarch.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Setanta
Gold Member
*****
Offline


\/ Peace man!

Posts: 16601
Northern NSW
Gender: male
Re: Should King Charles say, "Sorry"?
Reply #11 - Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:58pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:43pm:
Didn't happen during his reign - IF it did in the way it is described.

What are you imagining he should apologise for?


For the unchosen privilege of being born to his parents and being European?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 84668
Proud pre-1850's NO Voter
Gender: male
Re: Should King Charles say, "Sorry"?
Reply #12 - Oct 18th, 2024 at 9:28pm
 
Setanta wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:58pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:43pm:
Didn't happen during his reign - IF it did in the way it is described.

What are you imagining he should apologise for?


For the unchosen privilege of being born to his parents and being European?


Buggar - I forgot that!

What do I do being up to seven generations here?  Got to the 1850's then found one before that.... I'm stuffed - got nowhere in the world (sobs) .... can't go 'back home' to Scotland, Ireland, Denmark and Germany etc... considered an Outlander here...

I'm going to have to win that Inalienable Freehold Land Claim for my ancestral stamping grounds..... or at least cop reparations and rent ... good for goose is good for gander, eh?
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Frank
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 46351
Gender: male
Re: Should King Charles say, "Sorry"?
Reply #13 - Oct 19th, 2024 at 12:56am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:54pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 6:43pm:
Didn't happen during his reign - IF it did in the way it is described.

What are you imagining he should apologise for?

The role of the sovereign endures through history and is actioned by the current reigning monarch who is responsible for all acts of state made in the name of any former monarch.



Only if so advised by the responsible minister.



The Crown is hereditary, subject, however, to special limitations by Parliament; and the King or Queen has always enjoyed, by prescription, custom and law, the chief place in Parliament and the sole executive power. The right of succession and the prerogatives of the Crown itself are, however, subject to limitations and change by legislative process with the consent and authority of the Sovereign; and in the exercise of the prerogatives and powers of the Crown the Sovereign now, by constitutional convention, depends on the advice of Ministers of the Crown, who continue to serve in that capacity only so long as they retain the confidence of Parliament.

1.15As members of the Executive Council, Ministers of the Crown are the Governor-General's responsible advisers. In exercising the powers and functions of office, the Governor-General, like the Sovereign, acts on the advice of those Ministers.
Back to top
 

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.
 
IP Logged
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 84668
Proud pre-1850's NO Voter
Gender: male
Re: Should King Charles say, "Sorry"?
Reply #14 - Oct 19th, 2024 at 4:33am
 
No answer to the question of what he should 'apologise' for?  I'm sure he feels sorry about the hardships of the past... he's a sensitive person - but personally say Sorry?  For what?
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 3 ... 7
Send Topic Print