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Reply #15 - Oct 24^th, 2024 at 7:08am

Rant and rave as they will, the thing that Crappler and his ilk will never understand is that they have the privilege of screening the plight of First Nation peoples as a historic and cultural curiosity. They sit very much on the outside looking in.

And they look in through the eyes of their limited mis-education through multiple generations of calculated lies, most not challenged since long after they gave education away.

They are wrong ... provably wrong ... in almost everything they say. But just try telling them that.

But remember, all reasonable folk who venture here, they only view First Australians as historical curiosities. This is consistent with the colonial perspective.

Be just like us or .....

It continues to sadden and amaze me that people give themselves permission to hold such beliefs. Especially in light of all we know.

Alas, all this lot do is discredit everything that doesn't fit with their primary school in the '50s idea of what First Nations people are. And with so much vehemence!

It all points to a sad old, lonely bunch of ingrates dissatisfied with not having their noses blown enough.

No way anyone's had it worse than you, right Crappler? Where's your mountain?

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Reply #16 - Oct 24^th, 2024 at 7:25am

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 7:08am:

all this lot do is discredit everything that doesn't fit with their primary school in the '50s idea of what First Nations people are. And with so much vehemence!

It's true that early Boomers are products of the early 20th-century zeitgeist - their mindset is ossified and unreformable.

However, as Jacinta Price recently commented, there are problems with the flipside - the romanticising of Aboriginal cultures.

'If I were living under traditional aboriginal culture and laws', she said, 'I would have been married off at 13 as the 3rd wife of a man 50 years my senior'.

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Reply #17 - Oct 24^th, 2024 at 7:33am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 7:25am:

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 7:08am:

all this lot do is discredit everything that doesn't fit with their primary school in the '50s idea of what First Nations people are. And with so much vehemence!

It's true that early Boomers are products of the early 20th-century zeitgeist - their mindset is ossified and unreformable.

However, as Jacinta Price recently commented, there are problems with the flipside - the romanticising of Aboriginal cultures.

'If I were living under traditional aboriginal culture and laws', she said, 'I would have been married off at 13 as the 3rd wife of a man 50 years my senior'.

Firstly, her comment is sensationalist and not entirely true. weren't you the one pimping for the diversity of First Nations people of Australia when it came to the Voice?

"How can they speak with one voice?', you proselytised.

I suppose the answer to that question is ... "when it suits me".

Moreover, how were women faring in Europe throughout that time period?

Questions, questions.

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Reply #18 - Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:05am

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 7:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 7:25am:

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 7:08am:

all this lot do is discredit everything that doesn't fit with their primary school in the '50s idea of what First Nations people are. And with so much vehemence!

It's true that early Boomers are products of the early 20th-century zeitgeist - their mindset is ossified and unreformable.

However, as Jacinta Price recently commented, there are problems with the flipside - the romanticising of Aboriginal cultures.

'If I were living under traditional aboriginal culture and laws', she said, 'I would have been married off at 13 as the 3rd wife of a man 50 years my senior'.

Firstly, her comment is sensationalist and not entirely true. weren't you the one pimping for the diversity of First Nations people of Australia when it came to the Voice?

"How can they speak with one voice?', you proselytised.

I suppose the answer to that question is ... "when it suits me".

Moreover, how were women faring in Europe throughout that time period?

Questions, questions.

Price's comment was informed by her aunt's experience who was married off at 13 to an old man and after she attempted to escape, was caught and presumed murdered. So... sensationalist or a frank expression of facts close to her heart?

Of course there is no such thing as a monolithic aboriginal culture - hardly a revelation, given the hundreds of distinct aboriginal languages.

However, hunter-gatherer cultures have many common features with one another - gerontocratic and marriage on puberty being two common features.

Child marriage in Europe and Asia up until the 20th century was common - usually driven by poverty. and still exists in strict Islamic cultures. Child marriage within traditional aboriginal cultures in Australia still exists.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35465 Gender:	Re: Truth Telling and Healing Inquiry Reply #19 - Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:12am Thanks, Captain Obvious.
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Reply #21 - Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:24am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:17am:

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:12am:

Thanks, Captain Obvious.

No need to get bitchy... You're not a deep thinker - like early Boomers.

Don't ask obvious questions and you won't get obvious answers.

Says he, introducing bitchy.

I'm curious, what do you think you said that i didn't?

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Reply #22 - Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:30am

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:24am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:17am:

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:12am:

Thanks, Captain Obvious.

No need to get bitchy... You're not a deep thinker - like early Boomers.

Don't ask obvious questions and you won't get obvious answers.

I'm curious, what do you think you said that i didn't?

You referred to Prices's comment as sensationalist. It was an expression of her personal experience and a reference to practises that still exist in Aboriginal cultures.

You reminded me that I mentioned Aboriginal culture is not monolithic - as a refutation of Price's authority to speak for Aboriginal cultures - when she was referring to a feature of all Aboriginal cultures.

Then you threw in whataboutism comparing extinct European cultural practises with current Aboriginal cultural practises.

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Reply #23 - Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:36am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:30am:

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:24am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:17am:

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:12am:

Thanks, Captain Obvious.

No need to get bitchy... You're not a deep thinker - like early Boomers.

Don't ask obvious questions and you won't get obvious answers.

I'm curious, what do you think you said that i didn't?

You referred to Prices's comment as sensationalist. It was an expression of her personal experience and a reference to practises that still exist in Aboriginal cultures.

You reminded me that I mentioned Aboriginal culture is not monolithic - as a refutation of Price's authority to speak for Aboriginal cultures - when she was referring to a feature of all Aboriginal cultures.

Then you threw in whataboutism comparing extinct European cultural practises with current Aboriginal cultural practises.

No. i referred to your usage of Price's comments as sensationalist.

I'm pretty sure i explained that clearly. It really shouldn't have required further explanation.

In any event, a sample size of one is only a sample size of one. seems enough for you when it suits ... the converse being fiercely upheld when it doesn't.

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Reply #24 - Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:42am

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:36am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:30am:

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:24am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:17am:

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:12am:

Thanks, Captain Obvious.

No need to get bitchy... You're not a deep thinker - like early Boomers.

Don't ask obvious questions and you won't get obvious answers.

I'm curious, what do you think you said that i didn't?

You referred to Prices's comment as sensationalist. It was an expression of her personal experience and a reference to practises that still exist in Aboriginal cultures.

You reminded me that I mentioned Aboriginal culture is not monolithic - as a refutation of Price's authority to speak for Aboriginal cultures - when she was referring to a feature of all Aboriginal cultures.

Then you threw in whataboutism comparing extinct European cultural practises with current Aboriginal cultural practises.

No. i referred to your usage of Price's comments as sensationalist.

I'm pretty sure i explained that clearly. It really shouldn't have required further explanation.

In any event, a sample size of one is only a sample size of one. seems enough for you when it suits ... the converse being fiercely upheld when it doesn't.

See, this i what I mean by your not being a deep thinker.

Your comment '[Price's] comment is sensationalist and not entirely true' does not refer to my use of Price's comment but to Price's comment itself.

Price spent her entire formative years immersed in the Aboriginal cultures of her region and has a wealth of knowledge and first-hand experience of them. She also commented on the common belief in witchcraft within these cultures.

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Reply #25 - Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:47am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:42am:

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:36am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:30am:

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:24am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:17am:

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:12am:

Thanks, Captain Obvious.

No need to get bitchy... You're not a deep thinker - like early Boomers.

Don't ask obvious questions and you won't get obvious answers.

I'm curious, what do you think you said that i didn't?

You referred to Prices's comment as sensationalist. It was an expression of her personal experience and a reference to practises that still exist in Aboriginal cultures.

You reminded me that I mentioned Aboriginal culture is not monolithic - as a refutation of Price's authority to speak for Aboriginal cultures - when she was referring to a feature of all Aboriginal cultures.

Then you threw in whataboutism comparing extinct European cultural practises with current Aboriginal cultural practises.

No. i referred to your usage of Price's comments as sensationalist.

I'm pretty sure i explained that clearly. It really shouldn't have required further explanation.

In any event, a sample size of one is only a sample size of one. seems enough for you when it suits ... the converse being fiercely upheld when it doesn't.

See, this i what I mean by your not being a deep thinker.

Your comment '[Price's] comment is sensationalist and not entirely true' does not refer to my use of Price's comment but to Price's comment itself.

Price spent her entire formative years immersed in the Aboriginal cultures of her region and has a wealth of knowledge and first-hand experience of them. She also commented on the common belief in witchcraft within these cultures.

And still, a sample size of one.

Remember back when you speaking out against the Voice because one didn;t represent many?

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Reply #27 - Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:58am

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:47am:

And still, a sample size of one.

Remember back when you speaking out against the Voice because one didn;t represent many?

I'd guarantee you that Price and her mother could expand on their personal experience with a family member. No senior Aboriginal person has refuted Price's comment - telling, don't you think?

Yes, the one Voice cannot speak for the many Aboriginal cultures.

That does not mean Price or anyone else cannot speak of cultural similarities among cultures.

The Voice intended to speak with one voice for (or be the final arbiter of) all Aboriginal cultures' issues - what was the pro-Voice plan for when Aboriginal cultures' expected outcomes conflicted with one another? 'mo money for all?

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Reply #28 - Oct 24^th, 2024 at 9:00am

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:48am:

Honestly, the lengths you have to go to in this place to make a simple point.

Inundated with old men with over-inflated egos who can't admit they're just wrong.

You're not capable of expressing your points and (I'd bet) haven't really thought about them. You appear to be addicted to socio-cultural outrage without needing a well-considered point.

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Reply #29 - Oct 24^th, 2024 at 9:09am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:58am:

mothra wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 8:47am:

And still, a sample size of one.

Remember back when you speaking out against the Voice because one didn;t represent many?

I'd guarantee you that Price and her mother could expand on their personal experience with a family member. No senior Aboriginal person has refuted Price's comment - telling, don't you think?

Yes, the one Voice cannot speak for the many Aboriginal cultures.

That does not mean Price or anyone else cannot speak of cultural similarities among cultures.

The Voice intended to speak with one voice for (or be the final arbiter of) all Aboriginal cultures' issues - what was the pro-Voice plan for when Aboriginal cultures' expected outcomes conflicted with one another? 'mo money for all?

Ergo. price applying the situation with her Aunty (no doubt richly imbued with colonial influence) onto herself as a prediction of what would have happened to her is sensationalism and in no way reflects the story of others.

The fact that you tried to apply this story as a baseline for Aboriginal women speaks to your sensationalim of the issue.

The fact that you have tried pathetically to distance yourself from the monoculture you assert here from your previous oft repeated argument that First Nations people are a rich tapestry only serves to prove how little you have thought about this issue.

Thump your chest all you like. You're basic ... and you're wanting.

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