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Reply #30 - Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:14am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 8:06pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 22nd, 2024 at 6:28pm:
I tell nothing but the truth.


You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the bum...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


That's more applicable to to you you gullible old cockwombling softcock Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Reply #31 - Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:19am
 
mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 7:08am:
Rant and rave as they will, the thing that Crappler and his ilk will never understand is that they have the privilege of screening the plight of First Nation peoples as a historic and cultural curiosity. They sit very much on the outside looking in.

And they look in through the eyes of their limited mis-education through multiple generations of calculated lies, most not challenged since long after they gave education away.

They are wrong ... provably wrong ... in almost everything they say. But just try telling them that.

But remember, all reasonable folk who venture here, they only view First Australians as historical curiosities. This is consistent with the colonial perspective.

Be just like us or .....

It continues to sadden and amaze me that people give themselves permission to hold such beliefs. Especially in light of all we know.

Alas, all this lot do is discredit everything that doesn't fit with their primary school in the '50s idea of what First Nations people are. And with so much vehemence!

It all points to a sad old, lonely bunch of ingrates dissatisfied with not having their noses blown enough.

No way anyone's had it worse than you, right Crappler? Where's your mountain?


You shoot your whole bleeding heart leftoid post down when you refer to Aboriginal peoples as "First Nations".

They never were and never will be. That's an untruth.

And no one here responds with anymore vehemence than you do yourself.

Still consistently a hypocrite.
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Reply #32 - Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:21am
 
mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:09am:
Ergo. price applying the situation with her Aunty (no doubt richly imbued with colonial influence) onto herself as a prediction of what would have happened to her is sensationalism and in no way reflects the story of others.

The fact that you tried to apply this story as a baseline for Aboriginal women speaks to your sensationalim of the issue.

The fact that you have tried pathetically to distance yourself from the monoculture you assert here from your previous oft repeated argument that First Nations people are a rich tapestry only serves to prove how little you have thought about this issue.

Thump your chest all you like. You're basic ... and you're wanting.

See! There you go again! Shallow thinking.

How would colonial influence have anything to do with forced child marriages to Aboriginal elder men? A practise that still occurs to this day and has not been refuted by any Aboriginal senior.

If Aboriginal seniors do not dispute the practice within traditional Aboriginal cultures' communities, why do you presume it would not be a probable outcome for a 13-year-old girl born into and living within a traditional Aboriginal culture?

Price's point on the matter was that it was only the enforcement of the modern Western prohibition of child marriage that it has been expunged within urbanised, non-traditional Aboriginal communities.
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Reply #33 - Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:28am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:21am:
mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:09am:
Ergo. price applying the situation with her Aunty (no doubt richly imbued with colonial influence) onto herself as a prediction of what would have happened to her is sensationalism and in no way reflects the story of others.

The fact that you tried to apply this story as a baseline for Aboriginal women speaks to your sensationalim of the issue.

The fact that you have tried pathetically to distance yourself from the monoculture you assert here from your previous oft repeated argument that First Nations people are a rich tapestry only serves to prove how little you have thought about this issue.

Thump your chest all you like. You're basic ... and you're wanting.

See! There you go again! Shallow thinking.

How would colonial influence have anything to do with forced child marriages to Aboriginal elder men? A practise that still occurs to this day and has not been refuted by any Aboriginal senior.

If Aboriginal seniors do not dispute the practice within traditional Aboriginal cultures' communities, why do you presume it would not be a probable outcome for a 13-year-old girl born into and living within a traditional Aboriginal culture?

Price's point on the matter was that it was only the enforcement of the modern Western prohibition of child marriage that it has been expunged within urbanised, non-traditional Aboriginal communities.


How indeed?

Look no further than European history.

Behold! We have arrived at square 1.

And at no point along the line has what i initially stated been successfully refuted.

it's really all just Ecky having another wank.

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Reply #34 - Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:29am
 
mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 7:33am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 7:25am:
mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 7:08am:
all this lot do is discredit everything that doesn't fit with their primary school in the '50s idea of what First Nations people are. And with so much vehemence!

It's true that early Boomers are products of the early 20th-century zeitgeist - their mindset is ossified and unreformable.

However, as Jacinta Price recently commented, there are problems with the flipside - the romanticising of Aboriginal cultures.

'If I were living under traditional aboriginal culture and laws', she said, 'I would have been married off at 13 as the 3rd wife of a man 50 years my senior'.



Firstly, her comment is sensationalist and not entirely true. weren't you the one pimping for the diversity of First Nations people of Australia when it came to the Voice?

"How can they speak with one voice?', you proselytised.

I suppose the answer to that question is ... "when it suits me".


Moreover, how were women faring in Europe throughout that time period?

Questions, questions.


Most a darned site better than Aboriginal girls and women ..... who in many locations are still treated that way today just as Jacinta Price suggested.

Things just got better and better for European women .... take a look in the mirror for instance.  Grin

You can't say that for your sisters in the ME Islamic States though can you? And you don't.

What is sensationalist is the First Nations, Frontier Wars, Stolen Generations malarkey and the very "romanticising" of Aboriginal cultures that Meister has mentioned.
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Reply #35 - Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:29am
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:19am:
mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 7:08am:
Rant and rave as they will, the thing that Crappler and his ilk will never understand is that they have the privilege of screening the plight of First Nation peoples as a historic and cultural curiosity. They sit very much on the outside looking in.

And they look in through the eyes of their limited mis-education through multiple generations of calculated lies, most not challenged since long after they gave education away.

They are wrong ... provably wrong ... in almost everything they say. But just try telling them that.

But remember, all reasonable folk who venture here, they only view First Australians as historical curiosities. This is consistent with the colonial perspective.

Be just like us or .....

It continues to sadden and amaze me that people give themselves permission to hold such beliefs. Especially in light of all we know.

Alas, all this lot do is discredit everything that doesn't fit with their primary school in the '50s idea of what First Nations people are. And with so much vehemence!

It all points to a sad old, lonely bunch of ingrates dissatisfied with not having their noses blown enough.

No way anyone's had it worse than you, right Crappler? Where's your mountain?


You shoot your whole bleeding heart leftoid post down when you refer to Aboriginal peoples as "First Nations".

They never were and never will be. That's an untruth.

And no one here responds with anymore vehemence than you do yourself.

Still consistently a hypocrite.


How does it feel to be so consistently on the wrong side of history?

Does Sky "news" make it all better?
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Reply #36 - Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:31am
 
mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 8:48am:
Honestly, the lengths you have to go to in this place to make a simple point.

Inundated with old men with over-inflated egos who can't admit they're just wrong.


Feel free ....  Roll Eyes
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Reply #37 - Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:37am
 
mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:28am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:21am:
mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:09am:
Ergo. price applying the situation with her Aunty (no doubt richly imbued with colonial influence) onto herself as a prediction of what would have happened to her is sensationalism and in no way reflects the story of others.

The fact that you tried to apply this story as a baseline for Aboriginal women speaks to your sensationalim of the issue.

The fact that you have tried pathetically to distance yourself from the monoculture you assert here from your previous oft repeated argument that First Nations people are a rich tapestry only serves to prove how little you have thought about this issue.

Thump your chest all you like. You're basic ... and you're wanting.

See! There you go again! Shallow thinking.

How would colonial influence have anything to do with forced child marriages to Aboriginal elder men? A practise that still occurs to this day and has not been refuted by any Aboriginal senior.

If Aboriginal seniors do not dispute the practice within traditional Aboriginal cultures' communities, why do you presume it would not be a probable outcome for a 13-year-old girl born into and living within a traditional Aboriginal culture?

Price's point on the matter was that it was only the enforcement of the modern Western prohibition of child marriage that it has been expunged within urbanised, non-traditional Aboriginal communities.


How indeed?

Look no further than European history.

Behold! We have arrived at square 1.

And at no point along the line has what i initially stated been successfully refuted.

it's really all just Ecky having another wank.


It is the evolving of European culture, expressed through enforced law, that is expunging child marriage within Aboriginal communities.

If you accept Price's reference (to the likelihood she would have been married off at 13 to an old Aboriginal man under traditional Aboriginal law) has not been disputed, then you are accepting that it would have been a likely outcome and not just a one-off story.

You need to understand that you are not currently capable of expressing a cogent argument. What you are expressing is unthinking, vicarious outrage.
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Reply #38 - Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:37am
 
mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:29am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:19am:
mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 7:08am:
Rant and rave as they will, the thing that Crappler and his ilk will never understand is that they have the privilege of screening the plight of First Nation peoples as a historic and cultural curiosity. They sit very much on the outside looking in.

And they look in through the eyes of their limited mis-education through multiple generations of calculated lies, most not challenged since long after they gave education away.

They are wrong ... provably wrong ... in almost everything they say. But just try telling them that.

But remember, all reasonable folk who venture here, they only view First Australians as historical curiosities. This is consistent with the colonial perspective.

Be just like us or .....

It continues to sadden and amaze me that people give themselves permission to hold such beliefs. Especially in light of all we know.

Alas, all this lot do is discredit everything that doesn't fit with their primary school in the '50s idea of what First Nations people are. And with so much vehemence!

It all points to a sad old, lonely bunch of ingrates dissatisfied with not having their noses blown enough.

No way anyone's had it worse than you, right Crappler? Where's your mountain?


You shoot your whole bleeding heart leftoid post down when you refer to Aboriginal peoples as "First Nations".

They never were and never will be. That's an untruth.

And no one here responds with anymore vehemence than you do yourself.

Still consistently a hypocrite.


How does it feel to be so consistently on the wrong side of history?

Does Sky "news" make it all better?


Grin that you have to label everything said opposing your hypocritical and fanciful views as coming from Sky News proves how gullible and shallow you really are.

Re-writing history and believing it as gospel to suit the demonising of non-Aboriginals and painting Aboriginals as perpetual victims is typical patronising from your ilk.
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Reply #39 - Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:40am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:37am:
mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:28am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:21am:
mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:09am:
Ergo. price applying the situation with her Aunty (no doubt richly imbued with colonial influence) onto herself as a prediction of what would have happened to her is sensationalism and in no way reflects the story of others.

The fact that you tried to apply this story as a baseline for Aboriginal women speaks to your sensationalim of the issue.

The fact that you have tried pathetically to distance yourself from the monoculture you assert here from your previous oft repeated argument that First Nations people are a rich tapestry only serves to prove how little you have thought about this issue.

Thump your chest all you like. You're basic ... and you're wanting.

See! There you go again! Shallow thinking.

How would colonial influence have anything to do with forced child marriages to Aboriginal elder men? A practise that still occurs to this day and has not been refuted by any Aboriginal senior.

If Aboriginal seniors do not dispute the practice within traditional Aboriginal cultures' communities, why do you presume it would not be a probable outcome for a 13-year-old girl born into and living within a traditional Aboriginal culture?

Price's point on the matter was that it was only the enforcement of the modern Western prohibition of child marriage that it has been expunged within urbanised, non-traditional Aboriginal communities.


How indeed?

Look no further than European history.

Behold! We have arrived at square 1.

And at no point along the line has what i initially stated been successfully refuted.

it's really all just Ecky having another wank.


It is the evolving of European culture, expressed through enforced law, that is expunging child marriage within Aboriginal communities.

If you accept Price's reference (to the likelihood she would have been married off at 13 to an old Aboriginal man under traditional Aboriginal law) has not been disputed, then you are accepting that it would have been a likely outcome and not just a one-off story.

You need to understand that you are not currently capable of expressing a cogent argument. What you are expressing is unthinking, vicarious outrage.


Yet all i have done is hole you to your own standard.

What then, this does this say of you?
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Reply #40 - Oct 24th, 2024 at 10:01am
 
mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 9:40am:
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You need to understand that you are not currently capable of expressing a cogent argument. What you are expressing is unthinking, vicarious outrage.


Yet all i have done is hole you to your own standard.

What then, this does this say of you?

A standard that I don't deny.

Prce's reference to her likely outcome, were she brought up within a traditional Aboriginal culture, is not evidence that Aboriginal traditions are monocultural - it is evidence that they have some commonalities, such as child marriage to old men.

This is a common feature among all extant hunter-gatherer cultures for an obvious (Darwinian) reason and not a reference to rampant pedophilic culture.

For a man to live into his 50s within these cultures is evidence of good survival genes in extremely hostile environments. A girl/woman is fertile and capable of bearing children and surviving childbirth is at its greatest between puberty and, probably 35 at the latest. Hence the earlier she gives birth to a child born of a genetically strong survivor, the greater the chance the clan/tribe will thrive within the harsh environment.
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Reply #41 - Oct 24th, 2024 at 10:23am
 
Fragile, fragile ego.
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Reply #42 - Oct 24th, 2024 at 10:47am
 
mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 10:23am:
Fragile, fragile ego.

That would be from your knee-jerk reactionism or, trait (volatile) neuroticism.

Vicarious outrage is the coward's way of expressing their inner anger at their own life.

In your case, it's made worse without a mind capable of expressing a coherent and cogent argument.
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Reply #43 - Oct 24th, 2024 at 3:24pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 10:47am:
mothra wrote on Oct 24th, 2024 at 10:23am:
Fragile, fragile ego.

That would be from your knee-jerk reactionism or, trait (volatile) neuroticism.

Vicarious outrage is the coward's way of expressing their inner anger at their own life.

In your case, it's made worse without a mind capable of expressing a coherent and cogent argument.



Yet i snookered you ... and now you're having a little hissy fit about it.

Just like you always do.
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Reply #44 - Oct 24th, 2024 at 3:25pm
 
Let's have the whole t4uth.
How abbos murder their own far more than whites ever have or could.
How abbos rape and beat their children at a higher rate than any other demographic anywhere on earth.
How abbos are inherently lazy and greedy.
How abbos murdered the previous race.
And more importantly.
HOW WHITEVABBOS ARE LAZY USELESS DEADBEATS LOOKING FORVA FREE FEED.
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