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Swastika bad
Oct 24^th, 2024 at 2:57pm

A man has a placard showing a swastika on an Israel flag as a Palestinian protest. He is convicted for 'knowingly display Nazi flags or memorabilia that bears swastikas without a reasonable excuse'. His action was the direct opposite of what the law applies to. The placard is shown on TV news so the media and the government minister for communication would also be liable. Any image of it on Ozpol can send you to jail, if it's seen on your pc.

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Daves2017 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 988 Gender:	Re: Swastika bad Reply #1 - Oct 24^th, 2024 at 11:07pm Why did the fascist cross the road? Too catch the bus to Adelaide
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Daves2017 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 988 Gender:	Re: Swastika bad Reply #2 - Oct 24^th, 2024 at 11:11pm “How many Nazis does it take to change a light bulb? 8 million. One to change the bulb and the rest to run the civil service, courts, police, military and every other facet of the West Germany state.” “ @jewdas - on X I’m here all week 😇
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Reply #3 - Oct 24^th, 2024 at 11:41pm

chimera wrote on Oct 24^th, 2024 at 2:57pm:

A man has a placard showing a swastika on an Israel flag as a Palestinian protest. He is convicted for 'knowingly display Nazi flags or memorabilia that bears swastikas without a reasonable excuse'. His action was the direct opposite of what the law applies to. The placard is shown on TV news so the media and the government minister for communication would also be liable. Any image of it on Ozpol can send you to jail, if it's seen on your pc.

OK. This is pretty offensive to Jews, and I don't think they're a protected class. It's just offensive.

Added to that, is that the display of the swastika other than in a historical treatise, should be simply illegal. Australia should be like Germany and make all Nazi or neo-Nazi symbols illegal.

Hell we ban bikie symbols. They're just bikies, they beat a few people up, they deal in drugs and guns. They're momma's boys compared to actual Nazis.

A bit of oppression is justified, to prevent the ultimate oppression. Let them squeal about the freedom of expression. If they really think free speech matters more than the rights of other people to not be intimidated, perhaps they should bugger off to America.

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Reply #4 - Oct 25^th, 2024 at 6:31am

So offensive political comments should be oppressed? You're really against that freedom? Ozpol would be half deleted.

The bad logic of banning anti-swastika opinions means that swastika can't be criticised. If the convicted man is fined, it would only be for insulting Israel. The man is not promoting nazis. The conviction suggests a fascist attitude in protecting Israel. News reports by Jews say the sign demeans the holocaust but attacking Jews wasn't the main reason for WWII and 6mill Poles and 27mill Russians died as well, by the swastikas.

I wonder if a sign against Hamas being a swastika force would bring a conviction under this law.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104805 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Swastika bad Reply #5 - Oct 25^th, 2024 at 6:45am The law is ridiculous - you can go to jail for putting your hand up to hail a taxi. The Govt have become the Nazis themselves.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11461 armidale Gender:	Re: Swastika bad Reply #6 - Oct 25^th, 2024 at 6:53am Giving the one-finger gesture to a nazi could get jail-time.
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Reply #7 - Oct 25^th, 2024 at 6:58am

chimera wrote on Oct 25^th, 2024 at 6:31am:

So offensive political comments should be oppressed? You're really against that freedom? Ozpol would be half deleted.

The bad logic of banning anti-swastika opinions means that swastika can't be criticised. If the convicted man is fined, it would only be for insulting Israel. The man is not promoting nazis. The conviction suggests a fascist attitude in protecting Israel. News reports by Jews say the sign demeans the holocaust but attacking Jews wasn't the main reason for WWII and 6mill Poles and 27mill Russians died as well, by the swastikas.

I wonder if a sign against Hamas being a swastika force would bring a conviction under this law.

Was it a comment?

Should terrorist group supporters be allowed to wear the insignia of said terrorist groups and wave the terrorist groups flags on our streets and on our University campuses?

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11461 armidale Gender:	Re: Swastika bad Reply #8 - Oct 25^th, 2024 at 7:10am Gnads wrote on Oct 25^th, 2024 at 6:58am: Was it a comment? Easy enough to find. https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/man-pleads-guilty-displaying-nazi... The guy is anti nazi.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74534 Gender:	Re: Swastika bad Reply #9 - Oct 25^th, 2024 at 7:30am Bobby. wrote on Oct 25^th, 2024 at 6:45am: The law is ridiculous - you can go to jail for putting your hand up to hail a taxi. christ you're an idiot
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11461 armidale Gender:	Re: Swastika bad Reply #10 - Oct 25^th, 2024 at 7:46am Not really. The NSW conviction makes it possible for taxi seig heil.
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Re: Swastika bad
Reply #11 - Oct 25^th, 2024 at 7:46am

Ancient good luck symbol - used by the Finns long before the Nazis got hold of it... North American Indians .. Indians... Sumerians.. countless others used it - the Nazis stole it.... Raiders of the Crooked Cross......

It's not an evil sign in itself - it's the recent memory .... and what a loss to culture ....

Here is a Finnish aircraft - guess what type it is:-

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74534 Gender:	Re: Swastika bad Reply #12 - Oct 25^th, 2024 at 7:47am chimera wrote on Oct 25^th, 2024 at 7:46am: Not really. The NSW conviction makes it possible for taxi seig heil. about as possible as you flying if you flap your arms fast enough
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11461 armidale Gender:	Re: Swastika bad Reply #13 - Oct 25^th, 2024 at 7:53am The law is as silly as banning the finger symbol of shooting a pistol with fore-finger as barrel. Or the neck-cutting sign. Or Thorpe's fist as if these can injure people. (Man rushes into Emergency, says his neck is bleeding from cut-throat gesture)
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Reply #14 - Oct 25^th, 2024 at 7:55am

John Smith wrote on Oct 25^th, 2024 at 7:47am:

about as possible as you flying if you flap your arms fast enough

'holding a sign that replaced the Star of David on the Israeli flag with a blue swastika, accompanied by the words “Stop Nazi Israel.”
Hailing a taxi is imperious and authoritative, giving an order which is to be obeyed, now!

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