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Re: documentary explores pre-colonial trade to Indones
Reply #15 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 9:20am

Gnads wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 7:29am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 6:48am:

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SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2024 at 10:16am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2024 at 10:00am:

Wangany Mala documentary screened in NT and Bali explores pre-colonial trade between north-east Arnhem Land and Indonesia Cool

That seems really interesting,

Thanks for posting.

A documentary about pre-colonial trade between Indonesians and some Indigenous Australians, it's an interesting topic.

But since the subject focuses on Indigenous Australians and Muslim people without belittling or degrading them, let me be clear, without naming any names, this will unsettle the usual suspects.

It's a shame, because it's an interesting topic. I hope the documentary is released for general consumption soon.

What IS the interest?

You don't find it interesting to learn more about our past, or elements of Indigenous cultures' interactions with other peoples?

How about you do some research as to when the Indonesian Archipelago came under the influence of Islam?

The time frame is very recent - only about 630 years.

You want to put that into context as to how long Aboriginals reckon they’ve been here?

Seeings they walked through the archipelago to get here and they’ve only been cut off for 8,000 years. Roll Eyes

You're all so keen to demand I answer your questions but you never respond in kind when I do...

I wonder why? I've never claimed to be an expert, I do have some limited experience working in tourism in the NT but that's it.

Is it because I call out the use of racial slurs, lies and misinformation so many people trade in within this forum?

Has my love for the truth and reality made me such a target for you lot?

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Re: documentary explores pre-colonial trade to Indones
Reply #16 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 9:36am

It's not you, Kanga, it's what you represent.

They are bitter and resentful of a people they see as getting special privileges and whose entire existence is made up, in their minds, of what they were taught in school.

They bitterly resent any information that even suggests, let alone proves, that the First Nations people were anything more than brutal hunter gatherers who were saved by colonialism.

Amazingly and just worthy of theses, they see them as ingrates.

there's no educating them. they just need to die off.

Tick tock.

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Re: documentary explores pre-colonial trade to Indones
Reply #17 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 10:16am

** enter mothra, stage left, walking the soft ground prepared by boomers, while rampant with fantasy and fanaticism**

"Ein moment! In zer Sird Reich ve take our grammar very seriously...... are you meaning that 'boomers' are rampant with fantasy and fanaticism.... or that mothra is rampant with fantasy and fanatacism? Choose your answer carefully..."

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Re: documentary explores pre-colonial trade to Indones
Reply #18 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 10:22am

mothra wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 9:08am:

LOL!

So much butt-hurt over the mere exposure to the awareness that a documentary exists.

Hilarious!

Thanks for the head's up, Brian. I'll be sure to look this up.

Calm down Miss Conniptions

Why don’t you ask Bwyan to offer an opinion on why he posted the clip and what he gained from watching it?

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Re: documentary explores pre-colonial trade to Indones
Reply #19 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 10:23am

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 9:20am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 7:29am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 6:48am:

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 8:26pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2024 at 10:16am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2024 at 10:00am:

Wangany Mala documentary screened in NT and Bali explores pre-colonial trade between north-east Arnhem Land and Indonesia Cool

That seems really interesting,

Thanks for posting.

A documentary about pre-colonial trade between Indonesians and some Indigenous Australians, it's an interesting topic.

But since the subject focuses on Indigenous Australians and Muslim people without belittling or degrading them, let me be clear, without naming any names, this will unsettle the usual suspects.

It's a shame, because it's an interesting topic. I hope the documentary is released for general consumption soon.

What IS the interest?

You don't find it interesting to learn more about our past, or elements of Indigenous cultures' interactions with other peoples?

How about you do some research as to when the Indonesian Archipelago came under the influence of Islam?

The time frame is very recent - only about 630 years.

You want to put that into context as to how long Aboriginals reckon they’ve been here?

Seeings they walked through the archipelago to get here and they’ve only been cut off for 8,000 years. Roll Eyes

You're all so keen to demand I answer your questions but you never respond in kind when I do...

I wonder why? I've never claimed to be an expert, I do have some limited experience working in tourism in the NT but that's it.

Is it because I call out the use of racial slurs, lies and misinformation so many people trade in within this forum?

Has my love for the truth and reality made me such a target for you lot?

Rubbish.

You wouldn’t know truth if it bit you on the arse.

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Re: documentary explores pre-colonial trade to Indones
Reply #20 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 10:25am

mothra wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 9:36am:

It's not you, Kanga, it's what you represent.

They are bitter and resentful of a people they see as getting special privileges and whose entire existence is made up, in their minds, of what they were taught in school.

They bitterly resent any information that even suggests, let alone proves, that the First Nations people were anything more than brutal hunter gatherers who were saved by colonialism.

Amazingly and just worthy of theses, they see them as ingrates.

there's no educating them. they just need to die off.

Tick tock.

And you can phuk off and die too.

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Re: documentary explores pre-colonial trade to Indones
Reply #21 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 10:43am

Gnads wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 10:25am:

mothra wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 9:36am:

It's not you, Kanga, it's what you represent.

They are bitter and resentful of a people they see as getting special privileges and whose entire existence is made up, in their minds, of what they were taught in school.

They bitterly resent any information that even suggests, let alone proves, that the First Nations people were anything more than brutal hunter gatherers who were saved by colonialism.

Amazingly and just worthy of theses, they see them as ingrates.

there's no educating them. they just need to die off.

Tick tock.

And you can phuk off and die too.

I think you need to calm down.

Saying someone is so set in their ways that their mind won't change and their toxicity will only end when they die is vastly different to telling someone to fu

ck

off and die.

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Re: documentary explores pre-colonial trade to Indones
Reply #22 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 10:51am

Gnads wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 10:22am:

mothra wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 9:08am:

LOL!

So much butt-hurt over the mere exposure to the awareness that a documentary exists.

Hilarious!

Thanks for the head's up, Brian. I'll be sure to look this up.

Calm down Miss Conniptions

Why don’t you ask Bwyan to offer an opinion on why he posted the clip and what he gained from watching it?

Clip? It was an article about a documentary, Gonads.

Yet you didn't even bother to learn that much.

So i guess i rest my case.

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Re: documentary explores pre-colonial trade to Indones
Reply #23 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:06am

It's worthy of a yawn from Auntie Tsk Tsk that it would be a shocking revelation that two peoples living geographically so close would, over thousands of years, interact with each other at some points. Polynesian and Melanesian peoples managed it despite being separated by a quarter of the world's surface area.

As for why Aboriginals did not adopt the technologies of their northern neighbours likely indicates that (a) what was being traded was of limited interest to both peoples and (b) that there was little to no interbreeding between the two peoples.

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Re: documentary explores pre-colonial trade to Indones
Reply #24 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:29am

Given the very strict rules regarding interbreeding even among Aboriginal tribes - rules that still exist today, it would be almost certain that any productive interbreeding between Indonesian and Aboriginal peoples in Australia would have resulted in at least infanticide if not also the death of the mother at the hands of her clan/tribe relatives.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 84664 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: documentary explores pre-colonial trade to Indones Reply #25 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 5:20pm Consider this, grasshopper - your 'truth' is only your view - it is not and can never be absolute truth... therefore your 'pursuit of truth' via confrontation and sledging of those with different views is not pursuit of truth - but an attempt to impose your truth on others.
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Re: documentary explores pre-colonial trade to Indones
Reply #26 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 5:23pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 10:43am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 10:25am:

mothra wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 9:36am:

It's not you, Kanga, it's what you represent.

They are bitter and resentful of a people they see as getting special privileges and whose entire existence is made up, in their minds, of what they were taught in school.

They bitterly resent any information that even suggests, let alone proves, that the First Nations people were anything more than brutal hunter gatherers who were saved by colonialism.

Amazingly and just worthy of theses, they see them as ingrates.

there's no educating them. they just need to die off.

Tick tock.

And you can phuk off and die too.

I think you need to calm down.

Saying someone is so set in their ways that their mind won't change and their toxicity will only end when they die is vastly different to telling someone to fu

ck

off and die.

Well, then - imagine the correct and rightful response to someone arriving here and calling for the extinction of an entire generation.... purest Nazism ...

BTW - methra - how's your rundown towards old age and all those things going? Tick tock .... tick tock .... tick tock ... sounds like your hate-filled ulcers might get you ... or hate-filled heart issues...

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Re: documentary explores pre-colonial trade to Indones
Reply #27 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 5:25pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:06am:

It's worthy of a yawn from Auntie Tsk Tsk that it would be a shocking revelation that two peoples living geographically so close would, over thousands of years, interact with each other at some points. Polynesian and Melanesian peoples managed it despite being separated by a quarter of the world's surface area.

As for why Aboriginals did not adopt the technologies of their northern neighbours likely indicates that (a) what was being traded was of limited interest to both peoples and (b) that there was little to no interbreeding between the two peoples.

Phew - once you get the Briyawn you know you've won ....

What did they trade? Roo skins for fish?

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Reply #28 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 5:26pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2024 at 10:00am:

Wangany Mala documentary screened in NT and Bali explores pre-colonial trade between north-east Arnhem Land and Indonesia Cool

The muslims are upset they didn't get to colonise Australia.

As with all Islamic colonisation the host culture is eradicated and replaced with Arab Islamic culture.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12505 Gender:	Re: documentary explores pre-colonial trade to Indones Reply #29 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 5:38pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 5:25pm: What did they trade? Roo skins for fish? Yeah, why not?!
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