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Aboriginal Culture 101
Nov 2nd, 2024 at 1:14pm
 
..Come one, come all... come on down to Uncle Grap's Aboriginal Culture Session ... here you can post your ideas on what IS Aboriginal culture instead of dancing around the edges armed with ideological knives... the sort of cage fighting nonsense you lot engage in when pretending to discuss issues... bring your family!  Bring your trailer or fancy big ute with all the lights!  Grab this once-and-only lifetime chance to discuss YOUR views  and interpretations of Aboriginal Culture!  All welcome and all views treated equally! ...........
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Reply #1 - Nov 2nd, 2024 at 6:22pm
 
That settles it then, people - apparently there is no Aboriginal culture worth discussing... not a single soul has any idea what 'Aboriginal culture' was or is.

All that empty talk - for nothing....   Undecided
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Reply #2 - Nov 3rd, 2024 at 1:39am
 
Is this going to be another of those times where you make demands of others but won't reciprocate and offer your views on what you think of their culture?
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Reply #3 - Nov 3rd, 2024 at 10:23am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 3rd, 2024 at 1:39am:
Is this going to be another of those times where you make demands of others but won't reciprocate and offer your views on what you think of their culture?

It's your opportunity to share your great knowledge and understanding of Aboriginal culture.
Share, don't be shy.

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Reply #4 - Nov 3rd, 2024 at 11:52am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 3rd, 2024 at 1:39am:
Is this going to be another of those times where you make demands of others but won't reciprocate and offer your views on what you think of their culture?


You mean that a simple non-page honest request for your views is now somehow something evil?  Assembling all the claimed understandings of Aboriginal culture that so many rave and rant about and post absurd news stories about is not a good thing?  All you experts surely have something to contribute.....

Consider the 'gender' madness - once most civilised countries (note that the US, Canada, Spain and Australia are sitting on their arses, though US states are into it) began to install moratoria on minor butchery and set in place comprehensive reviews - suddenly those fantasists relying on 'the science' which barely existed as is, ran like pigs from a gun and began to fight tooth and nail against any assembly of all relevant data and information, the FULL body of 'science' social, and any decision-making based thereon.  You could smell the fear in their heel dust... and their endless smokescreening and endless petty attacks etc, specifically on individuals... sound familiar?

Most of the 'activists' - primarily school kids with no dingo in the race - just disappeared - their little troll space had no value any more... though some are attempting a comeback... each generation of school kids thinks they have the answers .... all the same as the old ones...

Jeez - it's a good thing you didn't get to vote on the voice ..... why are you so afraid of 'Aboriginal culture' being openly shown for what it is?

Perhaps an audit would follow.
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Reply #5 - Nov 3rd, 2024 at 11:58am
 
N.B.  I have made no claim to be any expert on Aboriginal culture....... merely noted that a bloke I knew was an ace at yabbying and that sheila in that 'alternative to prison' thing in Alice Springs was cooking roo tails on a fire and they've managed some finger painting in the past ..... here is your chance to set my thinking in order... do you have the balls to try?
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Reply #6 - Nov 3rd, 2024 at 11:59am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 3rd, 2024 at 10:23am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 3rd, 2024 at 1:39am:
Is this going to be another of those times where you make demands of others but won't reciprocate and offer your views on what you think of their culture?

It's your opportunity to share your great knowledge and understanding of Aboriginal culture.
Share, don't be shy.




Raised to the top - good post - short and to the point.

Jeez - you're a hard student, Kanga - we're not here to discuss what anyone thinks of their culture - but to gather knowledge of their culture, so we can move on to what people THINK of it.
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Reply #7 - Nov 3rd, 2024 at 2:57pm
 
I’ve never claimed expertise, that's precisely why I supported the Voice, to give Indigenous communities a platform to advise on policies that affect them directly.

I’d be willing to share what insights I have from my short time in the NT, but, as the saying goes, once bitten, twice shy.

If you’re genuinely interested in an exchange of ideas, then by all means, lead the way.

I have no interest in a one-sided “discussion” like the so-called Reconciliation debate, where answers only lead to more demands without reciprocation.

Frankly, you’re not off to an inspiring start if you want to prove you’re serious. But, since this is your thread, I’ll give you—and those who share your approach—another chance, if you’re truly up for it.
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Reply #8 - Nov 3rd, 2024 at 3:16pm
 
Well - your mistake was that the voice was never going to be anything more than a sinecure for a few among the Aboriginal Aristocracy and would materially affect the situation for the Plebs very little - if at all - while creating endless division in this country.

Not going to go over all the arguments with you again.... the people spoke and are still speaking - they will have their way.

As for 'reconciliation debate' - I merely asked you how you defined 'reconciliation'....... of course it was a trap - you would have come out with all these one-sided favouritism racist things to give and give to one side - and so you avoided it like the plague.

Reconciliation is NOT just 'give us everything we demand' and will not be dictated to the majority by a small minority ..... there will be NO Aboriginal or other Supremacism in my country on my watch.

Over to you.... tell us your view on their 'culture' - all 1100 odd groups - or should we mark you down as 'no comment to offer'?
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Reply #9 - Nov 4th, 2024 at 7:01am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 3rd, 2024 at 3:16pm:
Well - your mistake was that the voice was never going to be anything more than a sinecure for a few among the Aboriginal Aristocracy and would materially affect the situation for the Plebs very little - if at all - while creating endless division in this country.

Not going to go over all the arguments with you again.... the people spoke and are still speaking - they will have their way.


I'll take The Voice over some of the outcomes you seem to desire for them which ultimately remove them from our society, either by segregation, incarceration, being hunted to death or ethnically cleansed.

But if you'll read what I said, I carefully and deliberately used the past tense "supported" for the idea of The Voice.  The issue of a constitutionally recognised Indigenous Voice to Parliament has been settled with the result of the referendum. 

There will be no constitutional change, the people have spoken and I accept the result, even if it's not the one I voted for.

I'm not the one trying to twist every Indigenous issue into a rebranded and redefined version of "the voice" to suit my agenda, that's you remember?

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As for 'reconciliation debate' - I merely asked you how you defined 'reconciliation'....... of course it was a trap - you would have come out with all these one-sided favouritism racist things to give and give to one side - and so you avoided it like the plague.

Reconciliation is NOT just 'give us everything we demand' and will not be dictated to the majority by a small minority ..... there will be NO Aboriginal or other Supremacism in my country on my watch.


So you're admitting the "reconciliation debate" wasn't about an exchange of ideas or anything resembling a good faith debate, you were trying, and failing, to set a trap?

If you bothered to read what I wrote, it wasn't as you described, but there is no point in going over it again as you're not interested in the issue, just trying to manufacture gotchas since your arguments keep falling flat.

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Over to you.... tell us your view on their 'culture' - all 1100 odd groups - or should we mark you down as 'no comment to offer'?


You can mark me down as, "You first", given that this is likely another of your failed attempts to set a trap rather than engage in a good-faith discussion.

And you wonder why people don't want to engage with you... 

You're just an angry ball of hate constantly trying to twist reality and use the accurate descriptions of your own stance, and your own behaviour against those who call you out.

For someone who fancies themselves a “truth teller,” it’s ironic that the only truths you reveal are inadvertent admissions of the manipulative games you play, games that stand in stark contrast to the person you claim to be.

But the racism, the slurs, the incessant disparagement of the very people you pretend to support all betray your true intent. It’s not about compassion or justice; it’s about pushing hatred and winning arguments, whatever the cost.

We all see you, your motivations, and your goals, you don’t need to spell it out, though it’s refreshing when you do. Of course, this won’t stop you from denying it.

You continue digging yourself deeper, showing no interest, let alone ability, in engaging in a good-faith discussion on this or any topic.

Be better, Crappler.
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Reply #10 - Nov 4th, 2024 at 8:28am
 
Still clinging to the dead Voice, eh?

There I was just thinking how some of the diehards were saying that all was not lost  - look - 39% voted for it..... forget that 61% -a difference of 22% - more than one fifth more - voted against it...

You don't want an independent Aboriginal state with its own sovereignty and doing things its own way?  Fine - can't see how you could support the voice then...  DUH.

Now then - about that Aboriginal Culture 101 in amongst all your ranting and abuse and insults.....

DUH - trying to twist what I said about 'reconciliation' NOT being.... you really are desperate - I cannot train you.  I never remotely suggested it wasn't about an exchange of ideas .... you have a strange way of not thinking.

YOU tell us what YOU think it is.... I merely said it WASN'T a one-sided approach - DUH!
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Reply #11 - Nov 4th, 2024 at 10:17am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 4th, 2024 at 8:28am:
Still clinging to the dead Voice, eh?


Thanks for again reinforcing that you cannot read or are unable to accept information in black and white that you don't like:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 4th, 2024 at 7:01am:
But if you'll read what I said, I carefully and deliberately used the past tense "supported" for the idea of The Voice.  The issue of a constitutionally recognised Indigenous Voice to Parliament has been settled with the result of the referendum. 

There will be no constitutional change, the people have spoken and I accept the result, even if it's not the one I voted for.


"clinging to"?

Sure, just rewrite what I has to mean the opposite.

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There I was just thinking how some of the diehards were saying that all was not lost  - look - 39% voted for it..... forget that 61% -a difference of 22% - more than one fifth more - voted against it...

You don't want an independent Aboriginal state with its own sovereignty and doing things its own way?  Fine - can't see how you could support the voice then...  DUH.

Now then - about that Aboriginal Culture 101 in amongst all your ranting and abuse and insults.....

DUH - trying to twist what I said about 'reconciliation' NOT being.... you really are desperate - I cannot train you.  I never remotely suggested it wasn't about an exchange of ideas .... you have a strange way of not thinking.

YOU tell us what YOU think it is.... I merely said it WASN'T a one-sided approach - DUH!


Firstly, you refused to exchange any ideas, just like this thread, you only demand others answer your questions, which you admitted to being a trap, so yo could use their answers against them.

I'm not inventing the notion out of nowhere that you're not able to engage in good faith or an exchange of ideas, it's simply evident by your actions and admissions.

You've not reciprocated with the reconciliation topic and just admitted that you were trying to set a trap and then attempted to spring the trap on me, and failed.

Now you're unwilling to share your ideas of Aboriginal Culture and demanding everyone else do so.  It's identical to the previous topic, which again, you admitted was nothing but a trap you were trying to set, not an exchange of ideas in good faith.

How is anyone meant to trust you, especially given you how simply lie about what people say in your posts too?

I know you hate being held to account for the things to say, but it's right there on the page, in your own words...

I don't know what to say, maybe don't be so stupid and racist in an open public forum?

You should be angry at yourself, not me.

Now, if you want to pretend you want a good-faith debate, you need to start by offering your take on the demands you're insisting of others.

Otherwise, stop crying you big dishonest baby.
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Reply #12 - Nov 4th, 2024 at 10:42am
 
I haven't stated a position on Aboriginal culture yet.... ya coulda been a contender...

Anyway - let's just clear this Voices in the head every day nonsense aside - firstly Albo , both pre-election and then into government stipulated that any voice proposal was reliant on achieving certain KPIs on crime, absenteeism, violence, neglect of families, abuse and such of women etc.... then the moment he was safely in - he went at the 'voice' full boar....

Secondly he lied by repeatedly holding up the single frontspiece and saying that's all it was, when anyone with basic reading skills in English could see it was the jump-off point for a manifesto that essentially took over the whole country.  War and Peace single page poster as opposed to the whole book... come read war and peace - only one minute to read cast and characters etc...

Not a good start - then add in

https://starwarsintrocreator.kassellabs.io/#!/DMrtxj6ZgoSvpZypyWN-

... the farming out of bits and pieces of the HMAS Voice to the states ....The Voice By Stealth.... and one in which the People get NO say in this here man's democracy... so far not one mention of putting these invasions to a full vote of the informed public... that means this Voice By Stealth will meet the same fate - only the road to bury this one will be much harder and longer than the first one.

Now - move on to Aboriginal Culture ...  leave aboriginal vultures ...  We, The People, have got those under control ...
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Reply #13 - Nov 4th, 2024 at 11:27am
 
Anyway - the rate or Removals continues to rise following Rudd's groveling ..... I think this needs a Royal Commission - perhaps part of the one into crime etc in the NT and such...

This whole arena needs to be fully publicly aired for once... workers and courts have to jump through hoops to remove kids these days - why is it on the increase in Nirvana?

Bonus Question:-  HTF would this fantasy voice have helped there?  I'll bet the occupants of this 'special house of parliament' would want Ministerial salaries etc.  Australia dodged a bullet there.... now to stop the Voice By Stealth....
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Reply #14 - Nov 4th, 2024 at 11:32am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 4th, 2024 at 10:42am:
I haven't stated a position on Aboriginal culture yet....


Exactly.

So let's stick to the topic of the thread, I would propose since you've admitted you like to set traps for people, that until you're willing to share your thoughts on the subject that you can't be trusted.

Nobody should engage with you on this topic until you show some good faith in the form of sharing you views before demanding others do, without as you've already done, drawing any manipulative and false conclusions from the silence.

Everyone else is free to do what they want, but this would be my recommendation.

You're in an enormous good faith deficit at the moment Crappler.  Only you can choose to do anything about it.
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