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Re: Aboriginal Culture 101
Reply #30 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 10:22am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 9:57am:

Wow! All that for asking for a little revelation on what people consider to be this 'Aboriginal culture' they grab the high ground about so readily.... this is like playing chess with pigeons...

I wonder if methra has any ideas on what 'Aboriginal culture' is..... or is hshe just here for the venting as usual?

It's clear that nobody has any idea what 'Aboriginal culture' is at all - and with 1100+ groups ....... it seems near impossible to get a firm grip on it at all...

Methra - tell us about what 'Aboriginal culture' is...... you're the expert at everything .....

“Methra,” “Skanka,” you expect people to engage with you and yield to your demands, yet this is how you treat them?

I’ve attempted to ignore your provocations, then engaged, responding to your questions with the express purpose of demonstrating that a good faith discussion was possible. But you've proven, through your persistent name-calling, escalating demands, and utter disregard for anything shared with or requested of you, that such a conversation is beyond reach.

Since then, you've done nothing to suggest otherwise.

It’s been nothing but petty name-calling and transparent attempts to twist criticisms of your own behaviour back onto others, along with an incessant stream of demands.

What exactly are we supposed to do with this?

Where are we supposed to go from here?

Will you step up and show any sign of change, or continue down this same tiresome path?

Come on Crappler, you can do better...

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Re: Aboriginal Culture 101
Reply #31 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 10:26am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 10:20am:

Who said they didn't eat plant matter? The point remains that their diet was protein heavy and unbalanced and they had an early mortality along with a massive infant mortality rate........ that remains true to this day of easy food and largely accounts for their diabetes and mortality rates.....

Macca's and such will do that to you.

Your usual broad sweeping generalisations and false interpretations of what people actually say is beyond a joke.... are you - perhaps - a transplanted Pole or something .... you heard about the Pole dancer... slipped on the Pole's back and broke an ankle....

It wasn't protein heavy. This has been explained to you.

More proof that's you're not here to expand your understanding.

You are far too happy congratulating yourself for being right to accept all the myriad of places you're wrong. you are incapable of reason.

And you do not debate in good faith.

To top it all off, there's something seriously wrong with you. Keep getting those brain scans til they get to the bottom of it.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35465 Gender:	Re: Aboriginal Culture 101 Reply #32 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 10:27am SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 10:22am: Come on Crappler, you can do better... He really can't. It breaks my heart to see you keep trying. Lost cause.
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Re: Aboriginal Culture 101
Reply #33 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 10:28am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 10:20am:

Who said they didn't eat plant matter? The point remains that their diet was protein heavy and unbalanced and they had an early mortality along with a massive infant mortality rate........ that remains true to this day of easy food and largely accounts for their diabetes and mortality rates.....

Macca's and such will do that to you.

Your usual broad sweeping generalisations and false interpretations of what people actually say is beyond a joke.... are you - perhaps - a transplanted Pole or something .... you heard about the Pole dancer... slipped on the Pole's back and broke an ankle....

So this thread is just another attempt to bait people so you can hurl more insults at Indigenous communities?

This is what I was afraid of. The moment someone actually responded to your demands and you take a simple, uncontroversial aspect of their diet, the use of plant matter, and somehow twist it into yet another excuse to belittle them.

The most benign detail of their culture, and you seize on it to attack.

Is that really all you intend for this discussion?

You’re supposedly here to show you can engage in a good-faith dialogue, yet you’ve stumbled spectacularly at the very first step.

I hate being right sometimes...

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Re: Aboriginal Culture 101
Reply #34 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 10:32am

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 10:28am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 10:20am:

Who said they didn't eat plant matter? The point remains that their diet was protein heavy and unbalanced and they had an early mortality along with a massive infant mortality rate........ that remains true to this day of easy food and largely accounts for their diabetes and mortality rates.....

Macca's and such will do that to you.

Your usual broad sweeping generalisations and false interpretations of what people actually say is beyond a joke.... are you - perhaps - a transplanted Pole or something .... you heard about the Pole dancer... slipped on the Pole's back and broke an ankle....

So this thread is just another attempt to bait people so you can hurl more insults at Indigenous communities?

This is what I was afraid of. The moment someone actually responded to your demands and you take a simple, uncontroversial aspect of their diet, the use of plant matter, and somehow twist it into yet another excuse to belittle them.

The most benign detail of their culture, and you seize on it to attack.

Is that really all you intend for this discussion?

You’re supposedly here to show you can engage in a good-faith dialogue, yet you’ve stumbled spectacularly at the very first step.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record ... you know that ... and i know that.
Anyone with an IQ above room temperature will see that.

Crappler won't though. It simply doesn't matter how stark it is. He cannot see it.

He is absolutely convinced not only that he is right, but that he is a genius guru.

He's off his trolley.

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Re: Aboriginal Culture 101
Reply #35 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 10:51am

I'd like to joust with you all day - but I have things to do... just consider your views on Aboriginal culture while I'm gone and then consider the value or otherwise of a Royal Commission 'up there' (Kazaly) to get to the full facts of WHY...

Good thing this place is like a soap opera - you can leave here for four days in space, and when you return it's the same old place.

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Re: Aboriginal Culture 101
Reply #36 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 10:56am

Yadda wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 9:42am:

Some people may believe that it is Aboriginal Culture, which produces,
1/ conflict and murder [many, many, many, very violent family feuds among indigenous people],
2/ family abuse and rape of partners and other close family members,
3/ public drunkenness [street drinking, park drinking],
4/ stealing the property of others, often with violence [house breaking and theft, and robbery].

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Q.

What is 'Truth Telling' ?
......what is it worth, without......truth ?

QUESTION;
Why would any person condemn [real] 'Truth Telling' ?

John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

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Re: Aboriginal Culture 101
Reply #37 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:11am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 10:51am:

I'd like to joust with you all day - but I have things to do... just consider your views on Aboriginal culture while I'm gone and then consider the value or otherwise of a Royal Commission 'up there' (Kazaly) to get to the full facts of WHY...

Good thing this place is like a soap opera - you can leave here for four days in space, and when you return it's the same old place.

It doesn’t need to be so combative, Crappler.

You're choosing this hostility, perhaps to fill some void in your life?

If the drama, the “jousting,” as you call it, is such an issue, then here’s my offer of good faith: another reset.

I’ll put an end to reciprocating your constant stream of insults, and we can try to address the real issues here.

But you’ll need to prove that a real discussion is even possible. So, as a gesture, I’ll hold back on any future insults.

What do you say, Grap, ready to bury the hatchet and actually talk?

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35465 Gender:	Re: Aboriginal Culture 101 Reply #38 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:22am SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:11am: What do you say, Grap, ready to bury the hatchet and actually talk? You know what they say about the definition of insanity, yeah?
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SadKangaroo Gold Member Offline #FightStupid Posts: 17274 Mianjin (Brisbane)	Re: Aboriginal Culture 101 Reply #39 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:25am mothra wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:22am: SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:11am: What do you say, Grap, ready to bury the hatchet and actually talk? You know what they say about the definition of insanity, yeah? It's worth a try. Nobody is beyond redemption.
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Re: Aboriginal Culture 101
Reply #40 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:36am

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:25am:

mothra wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:22am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:11am:

What do you say, Grap, ready to bury the hatchet and actually talk?

You know what they say about the definition of insanity, yeah?

It's worth a try.

Nobody is beyond redemption.

Yeah but all i see is you trying and him going off on ridiculous rants.

Time and time again.

And i'm watching you be where i have been. God only knows i tried.

Even Lefty, who Craps is unhealthily obsessed with, utterly ignored him towards the end. I don;t think Craps even noticed.

Abandon hope, all who enter.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35465 Gender:	Re: Aboriginal Culture 101 Reply #41 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:38am I'm sorry Kanga. I shouldn't try to discourage you from doing what your heart tells you to do. I promise to pop in occasionally to add a voice ... but i'm tired.
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Re: Aboriginal Culture 101
Reply #42 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:41am

The truth matters to me, but it is disheartening knowing the lengths others have gone to with nothing to show for it in terms of how detached Grap appears to be from reality, or how little the truth actually matters to him.

Perhaps all this time, his "truth-telling" was "personal truths", not the actual truth.

But, I won't let that influence things.

If he is willing to reach across the aisle I'll be there waiting. I would prefer he not be reaching over with his own turd in his hand, again, but we'll see.

The offer is there, it's up to him if he wants to actually discuss these topics, or if it's just about manufacturing excused to continue to talk down Indigenous Australians.

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Re: Aboriginal Culture 101
Reply #43 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 12:05pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 6:36am:

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 8:42pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 8:12pm:

Frankly, it's becoming glaringly obvious that you have no grasp of what paranoia actually entails.

What’s even more predictable is how you’ve latched onto someone else’s apt description of you, most likely one that struck a nerve when it dared to highlight your absurd, self-aggrandising fears of some mythical "Aboriginal supremacy" campaign against you.

And here you are, weakly wielding it against others, as though the original point wasn’t squarely aimed at your own insecurities.

Every feeble attempt you make only highlights your utter lack of originality and the pitiful transparency of your agenda.

Doesn’t it exhaust you, this unending cycle of banal, pathetic delusion?

So WHAT IS your knowledge and insight about Aboriginal culture, then?

Every time the opportunity comes up to share your knowledge and insight, you keep talking about everything else BUT Aboriginal culture.

Why do you avoid telling us what's great and wonderful and unrecognised about it? Go on, you must have a vast and deep understanding of it. Share.

It’s not avoidance; it’s the futility of every attempt to meet your demands in good faith. Each time I grant you the benefit of the doubt, I'm reminded that your participation in this forum isn’t motivated by genuine discussion on Indigenous issues.

When I engage with you and those like you, it devolves into endless demands for insights and explanations, without the slightest reciprocation. Worse still, as we saw with Crappler, you admit outright that your aim was never to discuss in good faith, but merely to lay bait in the hopes of landing a gotcha.

Your contributions seem consistently directed at baiting, disparaging, and seizing any excuse to hurl demeaning remarks at Indigenous people, occasionally slipping in slurs when you think you can get away with it.

If you want to pretend to be here for an actual discussion, you’ll need to make the first move and demonstrate your capacity for it. So far, you’ve proven only the opposite.

You and your kind have rendered yourselves untrustworthy, a position you've earned by your own actions. And Crappler, in particular, has dug an especially deep well of distrust, with no apparent intention of climbing out.

Wordy.

My view is that Aboriginal culture is astonishingly primitive and static. That is the only interesting thing about it: how to survive as a mental and material fossil for millennia.

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Re: Aboriginal Culture 101
Reply #44 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 12:14pm

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 12:05pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 6:36am:

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 8:42pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 8:12pm:

Frankly, it's becoming glaringly obvious that you have no grasp of what paranoia actually entails.

What’s even more predictable is how you’ve latched onto someone else’s apt description of you, most likely one that struck a nerve when it dared to highlight your absurd, self-aggrandising fears of some mythical "Aboriginal supremacy" campaign against you.

And here you are, weakly wielding it against others, as though the original point wasn’t squarely aimed at your own insecurities.

Every feeble attempt you make only highlights your utter lack of originality and the pitiful transparency of your agenda.

Doesn’t it exhaust you, this unending cycle of banal, pathetic delusion?

So WHAT IS your knowledge and insight about Aboriginal culture, then?

Every time the opportunity comes up to share your knowledge and insight, you keep talking about everything else BUT Aboriginal culture.

Why do you avoid telling us what's great and wonderful and unrecognised about it? Go on, you must have a vast and deep understanding of it. Share.

It’s not avoidance; it’s the futility of every attempt to meet your demands in good faith. Each time I grant you the benefit of the doubt, I'm reminded that your participation in this forum isn’t motivated by genuine discussion on Indigenous issues.

When I engage with you and those like you, it devolves into endless demands for insights and explanations, without the slightest reciprocation. Worse still, as we saw with Crappler, you admit outright that your aim was never to discuss in good faith, but merely to lay bait in the hopes of landing a gotcha.

Your contributions seem consistently directed at baiting, disparaging, and seizing any excuse to hurl demeaning remarks at Indigenous people, occasionally slipping in slurs when you think you can get away with it.

If you want to pretend to be here for an actual discussion, you’ll need to make the first move and demonstrate your capacity for it. So far, you’ve proven only the opposite.

You and your kind have rendered yourselves untrustworthy, a position you've earned by your own actions. And Crappler, in particular, has dug an especially deep well of distrust, with no apparent intention of climbing out.

Wordy.

My view is that Aboriginal culture is astonishingly primitive and static. That is the only interesting thing about it: how to survive as a mental and material fossil for millennia.

Of course, when one has no capacity to wonder beyond what they value, they become entrenched in their own ideas and fail to value that which they've no capacity to understand.

Fortunately, not all the world is like them.

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