Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 12:16pm:



Are you hoping to find something you will value? morelikely, you're hoping to find evidence that there is nothing you will value.

Another lost cause.

mothra wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 12:24pm:

No.
I am inviting you to back up your claims about a rich Aboriginal culture.

mothra wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 12:38pm:

Yes, you've quoted Wiki already.
Very thin gruel. Just shows that Aboriginal culture is very primitive and static. Totally fossilized.

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 12:41pm:


Many cultures have advanced significantly since we all existed at a more rudimentary level, yet Indigenous Australians were denied the opportunity to experience their own cultural renaissance before colonisation abruptly disrupted their way of life.

That chance was taken from them.

Much of their so-called "primitive" practices, in fact, suited their needs precisely at that time. Their sustainable approaches to resource management, seasonal migrations, social frameworks, and deeply rooted cultural norms were effective adaptations to their environment.

Yes, some practices, such as infanticide for population control, might strike modern sensibilities as harsh.  It certainly does to me. But such strategies were neither unique to Indigenous Australians nor inherently “barbaric” for the time.  They were, like in every society’s history, practical responses to survival challenges, refined over generations to ensure the community’s endurance.

Yet despite the progress many of us claim to have made, it seems that not all of us have advanced in empathy or intellectual honesty since those times.

Our aim here is to foster a genuine, good-faith discussion on this complex topic. But some, who position themselves as intellectually superior to Indigenous Australians, rely instead on condescension and coercion to enforce their own views, echoing the notion that "might is right."

There is no genuine exchange of ideas, no attempt to engage in the kind of intellectual discourse that has historically propelled cultural growth.  Just poor attempts at traps, gotchas and insults.

I would challenge you to lead by example Frank, since others of your ilk have proved it impossible for them, and try embodying the virtues you profess, rather than reverting to behaviours you ostensibly consider yourselves above.

mothra wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 1:52pm:


It's a bitter pill to swallow, even if we're reading it from such wonderful technology like a smartphone or computer, but there is still much we could learn from their practices and focus on sustainability because now, like it was then, it was a literal matter of life and death.

We've come a long way, but we've forgotten that so long as our selfish needs are met. 

mothra wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 1:52pm:

Well,  TELL US what they did besides existing unchanged, stagnant.
That's what I keep asking you and Sad but you keep repeating my point - the only interesting thing about Aboriginal culture is that it remained unchanged, fossilised, stagnant for millenia.

Other parts of the world have been continuously inhabited by other humans and assorted species of flora and fauna.

Should we praise cats for achieving deity status 5000 years ago in Egypt without doing anything new or different? 

In some sense that is what you are doing to Aboriginals.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 5:08pm:


You are required to go first friend, remember, you can't be trusted, actions speak louder than words.

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I could not have said it better myself.

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I would strongly urge you to educate yourself beyond any preconceptions or uninformed biases regarding Indigenous Australians and their land management practices.

Indigenous Australians practised sophisticated land management techniques that included carefully managing hunting practices to prevent overhunting in specific areas. This approach was part of a broader, sustainable land and resource management system that Indigenous communities developed over thousands of years.

Key strategies included rotational hunting and seasonal patterns, firestick farming, cultural laws and spiritual practices and even totem systems.

Perhaps before revisiting this discussion, you should familiarise yourself with these practices in detail. Willful ignorance does not alter reality. Indigenous Australians' knowledge of land management was borne from a deep understanding that their survival depended on responsible resource use, a reality that modern society could stand to remember.

We have the luxury of deferring the consequences of environmental neglect onto future generations, but Indigenous Australians faced these challenges season by season, in a stark, immediate way.

If anything, we should be learning from their methods rather than engaging in the ideological opposition to sustainable practices that is, ironically, often shared by those who marginalise Indigenous communities.

Take the time to educate yourself, be better.