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Reply #60 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 9:19am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 9:04am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5th, 2024 at 5:08pm:
Still nothing substantive about Aboriginal culture - nothing here but endless carping and striving for top of the dung heap.....


You are required to go first friend, remember, you can't be trusted, actions speak louder than words.

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There weren't enough of them and they merely survived on it, so their impact was negligible apart from the species driven to extinction... no possible way of suggesting that terraforming the land and changing its use to actual use for farming etc 'harmed' it.... no way of comparing at all..

It's ludicrous to even suggest that they carefully and craftily husbanded the land when they wandered about in groups of ten or so... they didn't DO anything but survive ... most especially about caring over the land...


I would strongly urge you to educate yourself beyond any preconceptions or uninformed biases regarding Indigenous Australians and their land management practices.

Indigenous Australians practised sophisticated land management techniques that included carefully managing hunting practices to prevent overhunting in specific areas. This approach was part of a broader, sustainable land and resource management system that Indigenous communities developed over thousands of years.

Key strategies included rotational hunting and seasonal patterns, firestick farming, cultural laws and spiritual practices and even totem systems.

Perhaps before revisiting this discussion, you should familiarise yourself with these practices in detail. Willful ignorance does not alter reality. Indigenous Australians' knowledge of land management was borne from a deep understanding that their survival depended on responsible resource use, a reality that modern society could stand to remember.

We have the luxury of deferring the consequences of environmental neglect onto future generations, but Indigenous Australians faced these challenges season by season, in a stark, immediate way.

If anything, we should be learning from their methods rather than engaging in the ideological opposition to sustainable practices that is, ironically, often shared by those who marginalise Indigenous communities.

Take the time to educate yourself, be better.


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It is ludicrous and totally anachronistic to speak of Aboriginal "land and resource management systems". Pascoesque.

As is talk of ' systems developed over thousands of years'. To demonstrate development you would need to be able to show change over time. But that is precisely what did not happen.




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Reply #61 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 9:40am
 
Ah, yes - the cunning devils - they managed that land so well with all their amazing connection and magical skills etc with it that they managed to change nothing about it for 40,000 years.... (oh... sorry... 250,000 years in Aboriginal mathematics .. jeez the sheila at ANU who came up with that one is a 3rd cousin - pale as a ghost with red hair and not a trace of the ink - that's what 'academia' does to your mind - she's related on the other side to Doug Walters) ....

That's the epitome of ultra-conservative land management.... just do nothing with it or to it... just walk around on it and hit an animal on the head... POOF .. cunning land husbandry right there!!

Pull the other leg, Kanga.  You really need to stop taking as gospel any BS line that someone brings out to justify nothing real.

Tick, tock ...... The Highland Clearances are continuing to suit the New Lairds ..... The Enclosures are proceeding while you sleep.... the setting aside of private hunting lodges/reserves and private spiritual retreats without cost or purchase are proceeding while you sleep... and while you go out daily to toil so as to buy a home or even a block of land to build one on or you reside in Tent City,  etc....

None so blind................ stop throwing that bleach in your eyes...

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Reply #62 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 10:45am
 
Don't learn about if you don't want to.

But then, what is the point of the thread?
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Reply #63 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 8:59am
 
Like any great institution of learning, Grappler U - the REAL U - gives you every opportunity to ferret out the truths for yourself, thus cementing it in your mind and giving you 'ownership' of it - and then providing you with the opportunity to study more deeply and then disseminate what you have learned.

You'll never get your Ph.D by keeping what you've learned under your hat...   Cool
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Reply #64 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 9:02am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 10:45am:
Don't learn about if you don't want to.

But then, what is the point of the thread?



It is an opportunity for you to educate us about how rich and sophisticated Aboriginal culture really is.

Presuming you know anything about it.

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Reply #65 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 9:10am
 
Where's your Pascoe link there, Kanga?  'rotational hunting' - yes - they moved around as hunter gatherer nomads... hardly a plan - they followed the stock, and where food was plentiful, they competed between groups in a deadly fashion for possession of it - such areas are still theirs freehold and always have been by squatter's rights with fees waived .... they used 'firestick farming' - they burnt the sh
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out of the landscape indiscriminately to 'herd' animals and even par-bake them ready for the palm leaf, but they didn't 'firestick farm' to plant crops, wait until the soil was depleted and then move on - as was the 'normal practice' of actually cropping via fire .... and fish traps still don't equate to aquaculture other than in the most broad, loose, and generous terms... as kids we used to build 'fish traps' to capture tiddlers for bait and fun ...

Of course all that trade with the Indos was carried on in the ATC - the Aboriginal Trade Centre - which was treacherously rammed by Whartemen flying aircraft, sometime around 1785 or so, and totally destroyed.... leaving no trace of it.  I think it was the Dutch ... maybe the French ... but at the very least the trade in fish heads stopped overnight.
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Reply #66 - Nov 14th, 2024 at 4:30pm
 
WHAT CULTURE?????

They were wandering groups of murdering thieves.

When they met each other they killed the other group and stole the kids.

There was and still is no culture
It's a myth and all bullshite
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Reply #67 - Nov 14th, 2024 at 4:53pm
 
They got culture now Valkie matey. It's called Media culture. 😆
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Reply #68 - Nov 17th, 2024 at 12:03pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 10:45am:
Don't learn about if you don't want to.

But then, what is the point of the thread?

Captain Cook, Arthur Philip and the First Fleet brought cultural and racial diverity to a continent frozen in uniculture for countless millennia.
A good thing, diversity.
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Reply #69 - Nov 17th, 2024 at 1:01pm
 
Beaver Moon is sacred to Aboriginal culture ..... surely .... nothing better than a Full Beaver ... (this is to draw 'mothra' again after calling me a nasty type creepy old man for mentioning the Full Beaver - kind of a bitch slap called reality - again) ... we Old Fullahs deserve a Full Beaver tonight just in case we're not here in October next year... sounds about right.....

Confuse Yez say man who cannot poke fun at self in wrong business!  But, Master - what business is that?  Life- Grasshopper - LIFE!


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Supermoon to light up UK skies tonight - best way to watch stunning Beaver Moon

The last spectacular supermoon of 2024 has lit up UK skies tonight- but there is still time to watch if you're quick.

The Beaver Moon has made a dazzling appearance across parts of the country but sadly the next supermoon is not due until October 2025, so it's worth checking out it while you can tonight.

The full Beaver Moon rose in the UK at around 15:30 GMT and has already been spotted across Leeds, North Somerset, London, Buckinghamshire and the Shetland Islands. In parts of southern England, East Anglia, the Midlands and Wales, there should be clear skies before clouding over later tonight. You only need a small gap in the clouds to witness the supermoon. If you own a telescope, or even a pair of binoculars, you’re likely to see even more detail on the lunar surface than usual."
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Reply #70 - Nov 17th, 2024 at 1:04pm
 
Honour The Beaver!!

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Reply #71 - Nov 17th, 2024 at 10:17pm
 
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Aborigines are spearing each other in the remote community of Numbulwar, in the Northern Territory.

Footage filmed from inside a police vehicle.

https://x.com/NoticerNews/status/1856212222214844865


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Reply #72 - Nov 17th, 2024 at 11:00pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 17th, 2024 at 10:17pm:
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Aborigines are spearing each other in the remote community of Numbulwar, in the Northern Territory.

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Just practicing for when they gain their absolute sovereignty and are moved to their own separate Homeland - The Park.... this s what the tourists in the impregnable plastiglass tunnel railways can expect to see on a daily basis... how the money will roll in...

Side comment - never bring a machete to a spear fight.... but they're only killing one another anyway....
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Reply #73 - Nov 18th, 2024 at 2:32pm
 
Think on it - soon there will be a racket in smuggling guns to those kinds with the spears or their opponents - guns and booze.... what will you see then?  Comancheros with guns and whiskey .... sneaking into the park to trade for crocodile skins or something...

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Reply #74 - Dec 6th, 2024 at 10:20am
 
Calling Indigenous lore science marks Ed Husic’s ignorance


According to Ed Husic, the Minister for Science, Indigenous Australians were “the nation’s first scientists”, whose insights, obtained “through observation, experimentation and analysis”, rested upon “the bedrock of the scientific method”.

Nor is Husic alone in making those claims. Thanks to generous taxpayer funding, a burgeoning industry promotes “Indigenous science” in venues ranging from schools to universities.

But to call Indigenous knowledge “science” grossly misrepresents the nature of the scientific enterprise that emerged from the intellectual revolution of the 17th century.
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