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Nov 6th, 2024 at 10:06pm
 
Trump is an isolationist and if he slaps tariffs on China as he has proposed that will have a detrimental effect on exporting our raw materials as demand slides and Australia will become an even bigger dumping ground for Chinese made products and plunge us further into debt , guess who will be picking up the tab from the revenue shortfall... the Aussie taxpayer
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Reply #1 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 10:25pm
 
Labor majority government wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 10:06pm:
Trump is an isolationist ...


Also a rapist and convicted felon.

And Frank says he stole the election by rigging it.

His exact quote: "Of course it's rigged. Everyone knows it's rigged."
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Reply #2 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 10:38pm
 
In this purported free trade world economy of no tariffs, where all the world benefits from no tariffs, have a guess how many countries actually have tariffs in place, right now?
Go on guess..............

The truth is, it's a crock of poo!!
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Reply #3 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 7:47am
 
If he slaps a 60% tariff on China as he has promised I'm fascinated how that can be good for Australia,  over to you guys
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Reply #4 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 7:52am
 
If Trump enacts tariffs inflation in US will rise
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Reply #6 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 8:22am
 
Trump has also called for adding another tariff upward of 60% on all Chinese imports and said he would impose a “100% tariff” on countries that shift away from using the US dollar.

Literally from your link
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Reply #7 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 8:25am
 
Study after study, including one from the federal government’s bipartisan US International Trade Commission, have found that Americans have borne almost the entire cost of Trump’s tariffs on Chinese products.

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Reply #8 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 8:27am
 
Now back to the question , if Trump enacts a 60% tariff on Chinese goods one would naturally assume there would be lower demand for our raw products , how is this good for Australia?
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Reply #9 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 8:41am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 10:25pm:
Labor majority government wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 10:06pm:
Trump is an isolationist ...


Also a rapist and convicted felon.

And Frank says he stole the election by rigging it.

His exact quote: "Of course it's rigged. Everyone knows it's rigged."


Everyone says hes the best at rigging elections.

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Reply #10 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 9:05am
 
Without tariffs our manufacturers are forced to compete
with China where they pay their workers a bowl of rice per day
and have no health and safety laws - which are expensive.

We couldn't do it and as a result we lost nearly all our manufacturing jobs in Australia.
Melbourne used to be a giant factory but it is no more.
Multi-nationals will go to another country to save just a few pennies per item they produce.
Factory after factory closed down here ever since the mid 1980s.

Not only that - China swamps the market with Govt. subsidized goods
if they are more expensive than their competitors.
It's called dumping and is done to destroy competitors.

That's why BHP closed most of their steel mills.
China also sold cheap but shoddy steel full of Boron that cracks
and Western countries made bridges out of it which will collapse.
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Reply #11 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 12:06pm
 
Labor majority government wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 10:06pm:
Trump is an isolationist and if he slaps tariffs on China as he has proposed that will have a detrimental effect on exporting our raw materials as demand slides and Australia will become an even bigger dumping ground for Chinese made products and plunge us further into debt , guess who will be picking up the tab from the revenue shortfall... the Aussie taxpayer


It's almost impossible to have a genuine, good-faith discussion about his tariff plans, especially amid the triumphalism following Trump's win. But I'll give it a go.

The fundamental issues are twofold: either he doesn’t understand how tariffs function, or he does, and is banking on the fact that his supporters don’t, allowing him to mislead them for personal and political gain.

Tariffs can indeed play a role in shielding certain local industries from cheaper foreign imports. However, this isn't how he intends to use them.

Trump’s approach involves cutting corporate taxes and reducing taxes for high-income earners, funded by imposing blanket tariffs on all imports, with rates as high as 60% on Chinese imports. He suggests that foreign countries will shoulder these tariffs, offsetting the tax cuts for the wealthy.

But here’s the truth: it’s the American consumer, not China or any other exporting nation, who ultimately pays these tariffs. This strategy will lead to higher prices across the board, spiking inflation and pushing up interest rates.

And who bears the brunt of these price hikes? Trump's own base, largely working and middle-class Americans who will feel the impact most acutely. They'll be left footing the bill for tax breaks to the rich while paying more for almost everything they buy.

For a more thorough breakdown, it's explained well here:



This is what we can expect if Trump enacts his tariffs as he outlined before the election.

Of course, he might change course when it comes to implementation, but then, did people actually vote for that?

It seems to depend on whom you ask. For some, a vote or referendum simply means whatever they want it to mean.

Who cares about the reality, after all?
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Reply #12 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 12:07pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 7:52am:
If Trump enacts tariffs inflation in US will rise


Tariffs aren't the problem, it's how Trump wants to use them that is.

See previous post.
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Reply #13 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 12:09pm
 
Gordon wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 8:13am:


Thanks Gordon, that helps prove my point.

The problem isn't with tariffs as a tool used by the government.

The problem is how Trump intends to use them, or doesn't understand them, or both.
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Reply #14 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 2:15pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 12:06pm:
Labor majority government wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 10:06pm:
Trump is an isolationist and if he slaps tariffs on China as he has proposed that will have a detrimental effect on exporting our raw materials as demand slides and Australia will become an even bigger dumping ground for Chinese made products and plunge us further into debt , guess who will be picking up the tab from the revenue shortfall... the Aussie taxpayer


It's almost impossible to have a genuine, good-faith discussion about his tariff plans, especially amid the triumphalism following Trump's win. But I'll give it a go.

The fundamental issues are twofold: either he doesn’t understand how tariffs function, or he does, and is banking on the fact that his supporters don’t, allowing him to mislead them for personal and political gain.

Tariffs can indeed play a role in shielding certain local industries from cheaper foreign imports. However, this isn't how he intends to use them.

Trump’s approach involves cutting corporate taxes and reducing taxes for high-income earners, funded by imposing blanket tariffs on all imports, with rates as high as 60% on Chinese imports. He suggests that foreign countries will shoulder these tariffs, offsetting the tax cuts for the wealthy.

But here’s the truth: it’s the American consumer, not China or any other exporting nation, who ultimately pays these tariffs. This strategy will lead to higher prices across the board, spiking inflation and pushing up interest rates.

And who bears the brunt of these price hikes? Trump's own base, largely working and middle-class Americans who will feel the impact most acutely. They'll be left footing the bill for tax breaks to the rich while paying more for almost everything they buy.

For a more thorough breakdown, it's explained well here:



This is what we can expect if Trump enacts his tariffs as he outlined before the election.

Of course, he might change course when it comes to implementation, but then, did people actually vote for that?

It seems to depend on whom you ask. For some, a vote or referendum simply means whatever they want it to mean.

Who cares about the reality, after all?



Your assumption is that
1. Americans will continue to buy Chinese rubbish even with 60% higher prices
2. Offshore American companies will prefer to pay the 60% extra, pass it on to their customers and stay offshore rather than return to America and avoid the tariff hike.


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