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Nov 7th, 2024 at 9:12am
 
This is my analysis as to why Donald Trump, a convicted felon and habitual liar who consistently attacked the very core of American democracy as fraudulent (i.e. the election itself) won a second term after being rejected by voters four years ago.

The fact that Joe Biden initially ran for a second term and took up a lot of campaigning time is a major factor that can't be ignored. Then there was the substance of the campaign run by Harris, or the lack thereof. She fell into the trap set by Trump when she attacked the person (him) rather than his policies (or the lack thereof) because Trump ran a campaign basically devoid of policy detail but full of empty promises and slogans. Harris' campaign spent too much time focusing on Trump and not nearly enough time on putting her own policy agenda out there to differentiate her from him. Neither Harris nor Trump put any comprehensive plans out there for cost of living, border control, child care affordability, etc and in the absence of any real plans, voters went with the populist candidate.

Harris spent too much campaign time basically saying, "Trump bad, Harris good" without offering any real alternative beyond that and that worked just fine for Trump because his supporters couldn't give a crap about substance - they're populist voters and he just had to tell them what they wanted to hear, which they lapped up. Just look back at Trumps' last term. What did he achieve that he said he would do? Basically nothing. Repealing the Affordable Care Act (i.e. Obamacare) was something he constantly said he would do while campaigning, but did nothing. Building the border wall and getting Mexico to pay for it was another big campaign promise. He failed on both counts - the wall is unfinished and Mexico basically told him to bugger off with regard to paying.

So, firstly on Biden. He was increasingly frail in both mind and body toward the end of his term and should have early on ruled out a run for a second term for the sake of the Democratic Party and the country. The rush to remove him from the candidacy and install his Vice President was a colossal stuff up that was both hasty and should've taken place long ago. Is Kamala Harris a better choice for President than Donald Trump? Without a doubt. Is she the best choice? No. I think the best person to take on Donald Trump was Pete Buttigieg.

Why do I think Pete Buttigieg would have beaten Donald Trump? Look at his record as Secretary of Transportation, where he has excelled. Watch any of his interviews - especially on conservative broadcasters and podcasts. He didn't dance around answering questions - he took the bull by the horns and delivered factual arguments, factual rebuttals and eloquently stated his plans and positions on issues without ambiguity. In short, you weren't left wondering his stance and he also not only called out lies from conservative interviewers but why they were lies. He was very strong in town halls and in formal interviews. Harris obfuscated too much in the rare interviews she gave and offered too little detail on policy, if any at all. Regarding the homosexuality of Buttigieg, it's irrelevant to him running for office, and it's not something Trump could attack without losing a lot of gay voters (and sympathisers) and sending them to the Democrats. Had we seen Buttigieg running against Trump, we'd have seen policy substance running against populist nonsense and I think Buttigieg would have won in the end.

The other big impact on the election result was Trump making himself out to be a victim. He made himself appear to be a victim of government (both state and federal) going after him, even though that isn't the case, in court and at the polling booth through what he claimed without any evidence whatsoever to be a rigged, fraudulent election perpetrated by the Democrats. It might not be a big thing here, but in America, there's a heck of a lot of people who despise government, are suspicious of it and Trump played on their feelings like a fiddle. We all know the election was never rigged but that didn't matter to Trumps' supporters. It's a conspiracy theory that's been debunked many, many times and the proof is in the pudding - Trump won both the electoral college vote and the popular vote and looks very likely to control both the House and the Senate. Rigged election? What rigged election?

Elon Musk. He came into play relatively late in the campaign, but his social media platform gave Trump a huge advantage by allowing the unimpeded circulation of ridiculous conspiracy theories and outright lies while also contributing to the campaign financially in a very big way. There was also confirmed influence from places like Russia and China and Iran in this campaign that undoubtedly would have helped Trump gain votes.

So, that's my two cents. I might be right, I might be completely wrong, but that's how I saw it.
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Re: Why did Trump win?
Reply #1 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 9:15am
 
Aqua explained it well:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 5:24am:
it is an extraordinary victory.

it shows trump understands people and  the democrats dont

if we look at the lefties on this forum , they are so out of touch

bwian thinks that aboriginal sacred sites are the average australians major concern

carl thinks people lay awake at night worrying about covid

gweggy thinks that australians should be soiling their keyboards as they obsess over trumps sex life

roo thinks the left weaponising ukraine and letting 3/4 of their young men die in a useless war is improving world peace

karnal thinks that the embedded interests in the USA are fighting for the people in the rust belt

they all think biden and harris racking up 1 trillion more in debt every 3 months and wrapping it around the necks of the productive elements of the USA (young workers) is totally fine

and harris who said "illegal immigrant criminals in jail have the right to tax payer funded gender surgery" and never admitted she was wrong

and they all thought illegals were good for their base, failing to grasp that recently arrived migrants are often the biggest racists who want the border closed behind them

marla thinks being a walter mitty and addicted to pot which punches holes in your brain is a healthy life

they have been proven to be the total fools they are, but they seem incapable of owning it

they were encouraged to "study' trump by the intelligent aquascoot on 100's of occassions but they spent their time in their echo chamber of BS

and the hens have come home to roost.

marvellous stuff
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Reply #2 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 9:36am
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 9:15am:
Aqua explained it well:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 5:24am:
it is an extraordinary victory.

it shows trump understands people and  the democrats dont
No, it just shows that Trump knows how to play on peoples' fears and his supporters are gullible fools.


if we look at the lefties on this forum , they are so out of touch

bwian thinks that aboriginal sacred sites are the average australians major concern
Nothing whatsoever to do with the US Presidential election.


carl thinks people lay awake at night worrying about covid

gweggy thinks that australians should be soiling their keyboards as they obsess over trumps sex life
You don't think it's concerning that a guy who has been and will be again the President has said the things he's said about women and has been convicted of felonious crimes against them?


roo thinks the left weaponising ukraine and letting 3/4 of their young men die in a useless war is improving world peace
Is there something wrong with Ukraine being given the ability to defend their own country from an invasion by a power hungry dictator called Putin? What would you expect us to do is Australia were invaded by China, or what would you have done about a Japanese invasion of Australia in WWII?


karnal thinks that the embedded interests in the USA are fighting for the people in the rust belt

they all think biden and harris racking up 1 trillion more in debt every 3 months and wrapping it around the necks of the productive elements of the USA (young workers) is totally fine

and harris who said "illegal immigrant criminals in jail have the right to tax payer funded gender surgery" and never admitted she was wrong

and they all thought illegals were good for their base, failing to grasp that recently arrived migrants are often the biggest racists who want the border closed behind them

marla thinks being a walter mitty and addicted to pot which punches holes in your brain is a healthy life

they have been proven to be the total fools they are, but they seem incapable of owning it

they were encouraged to "study' trump by the intelligent aquascoot on 100's of occassions but they spent their time in their echo chamber of BS

and the hens have come home to roost.

marvellous stuff


The other stuff wasn't worth responding to.
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Reply #3 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:03am
 
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Reply #4 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:09am
 
Gordon wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:03am:



He summed it up very well indeed.   
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Reply #5 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:09am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 9:12am:
This is my analysis as to why Donald Trump, a convicted felon and habitual liar who consistently attacked the very core of American democracy as fraudulent (i.e. the election itself) won a second term after being rejected by voters four years ago.

The fact that Joe Biden initially ran for a second term and took up a lot of campaigning time is a major factor that can't be ignored. Then there was the substance of the campaign run by Harris, or the lack thereof. She fell into the trap set by Trump when she attacked the person (him) rather than his policies (or the lack thereof) because Trump ran a campaign basically devoid of policy detail but full of empty promises and slogans. Harris' campaign spent too much time focusing on Trump and not nearly enough time on putting her own policy agenda out there to differentiate her from him. Neither Harris nor Trump put any comprehensive plans out there for cost of living, border control, child care affordability, etc and in the absence of any real plans, voters went with the populist candidate.

Harris spent too much campaign time basically saying, "Trump bad, Harris good" without offering any real alternative beyond that and that worked just fine for Trump because his supporters couldn't give a crap about substance - they're populist voters and he just had to tell them what they wanted to hear, which they lapped up. Just look back at Trumps' last term. What did he achieve that he said he would do? Basically nothing. Repealing the Affordable Care Act (i.e. Obamacare) was something he constantly said he would do while campaigning, but did nothing. Building the border wall and getting Mexico to pay for it was another big campaign promise. He failed on both counts - the wall is unfinished and Mexico basically told him to bugger off with regard to paying.

So, firstly on Biden. He was increasingly frail in both mind and body toward the end of his term and should have early on ruled out a run for a second term for the sake of the Democratic Party and the country. The rush to remove him from the candidacy and install his Vice President was a colossal stuff up that was both hasty and should've taken place long ago. Is Kamala Harris a better choice for President than Donald Trump? Without a doubt. Is she the best choice? No. I think the best person to take on Donald Trump was Pete Buttigieg.

Why do I think Pete Buttigieg would have beaten Donald Trump? Look at his record as Secretary of Transportation, where he has excelled. Watch any of his interviews - especially on conservative broadcasters and podcasts. He didn't dance around answering questions - he took the bull by the horns and delivered factual arguments, factual rebuttals and eloquently stated his plans and positions on issues without ambiguity. In short, you weren't left wondering his stance and he also not only called out lies from conservative interviewers but why they were lies. He was very strong in town halls and in formal interviews. Harris obfuscated too much in the rare interviews she gave and offered too little detail on policy, if any at all. Regarding the homosexuality of Buttigieg, it's irrelevant to him running for office, and it's not something Trump could attack without losing a lot of gay voters (and sympathisers) and sending them to the Democrats. Had we seen Buttigieg running against Trump, we'd have seen policy substance running against populist nonsense and I think Buttigieg would have won in the end.

The other big impact on the election result was Trump making himself out to be a victim. He made himself appear to be a victim of government (both state and federal) going after him, even though that isn't the case, in court and at the polling booth through what he claimed without any evidence whatsoever to be a rigged, fraudulent election perpetrated by the Democrats. It might not be a big thing here, but in America, there's a heck of a lot of people who despise government, are suspicious of it and Trump played on their feelings like a fiddle. We all know the election was never rigged but that didn't matter to Trumps' supporters. It's a conspiracy theory that's been debunked many, many times and the proof is in the pudding - Trump won both the electoral college vote and the popular vote and looks very likely to control both the House and the Senate. Rigged election? What rigged election?

Elon Musk. He came into play relatively late in the campaign, but his social media platform gave Trump a huge advantage by allowing the unimpeded circulation of ridiculous conspiracy theories and outright lies while also contributing to the campaign financially in a very big way. There was also confirmed influence from places like Russia and China and Iran in this campaign that undoubtedly would have helped Trump gain votes.

So, that's my two cents. I might be right, I might be completely wrong, but that's how I saw it.



Here's the explanation for you.

https://x.com/eveforamerica/status/1854100880343159115
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Reply #6 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:11am
 
One day KumHoola was the worst VP ever who was dragging Biden down, the next she was the best thing ever.

Drms lost it years ago.
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Reply #7 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:14am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:09am:


Well said - good find.
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Reply #8 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:24am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 9:36am:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 9:15am:
Aqua explained it well:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 5:24am:
it is an extraordinary victory.

it shows trump understands people and  the democrats dont
No, it just shows that Trump knows how to play on peoples' fears and his supporters are gullible fools.


if we look at the lefties on this forum , they are so out of touch

bwian thinks that aboriginal sacred sites are the average australians major concern
Nothing whatsoever to do with the US Presidential election.


carl thinks people lay awake at night worrying about covid

gweggy thinks that australians should be soiling their keyboards as they obsess over trumps sex life
You don't think it's concerning that a guy who has been and will be again the President has said the things he's said about women and has been convicted of felonious crimes against them?


roo thinks the left weaponising ukraine and letting 3/4 of their young men die in a useless war is improving world peace
Is there something wrong with Ukraine being given the ability to defend their own country from an invasion by a power hungry dictator called Putin? What would you expect us to do is Australia were invaded by China, or what would you have done about a Japanese invasion of Australia in WWII?


karnal thinks that the embedded interests in the USA are fighting for the people in the rust belt

they all think biden and harris racking up 1 trillion more in debt every 3 months and wrapping it around the necks of the productive elements of the USA (young workers) is totally fine

and harris who said "illegal immigrant criminals in jail have the right to tax payer funded gender surgery" and never admitted she was wrong

and they all thought illegals were good for their base, failing to grasp that recently arrived migrants are often the biggest racists who want the border closed behind them

marla thinks being a walter mitty and addicted to pot which punches holes in your brain is a healthy life

they have been proven to be the total fools they are, but they seem incapable of owning it

they were encouraged to "study' trump by the intelligent aquascoot on 100's of occassions but they spent their time in their echo chamber of BS

and the hens have come home to roost.

marvellous stuff


The other stuff wasn't worth responding to.


This bit is worth responding to:

aquascoot:
"they all think biden and harris racking up 1 trillion more in debt every 3 months and wrapping it around the necks of the productive elements of the USA (young workers) is totally fine.


1. Trump is going to rack up even more debt than Biden and Harris, by lowering taxes on the wealthy.

2. Trade-crippling  tarrifs on China will raise prices of everyday items in the US, making the cost of living crisis for low paid workers in the US even worse. 
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Reply #9 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:36am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:24am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 9:36am:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 9:15am:
Aqua explained it well:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 5:24am:
it is an extraordinary victory.

it shows trump understands people and  the democrats dont
No, it just shows that Trump knows how to play on peoples' fears and his supporters are gullible fools.


if we look at the lefties on this forum , they are so out of touch

bwian thinks that aboriginal sacred sites are the average australians major concern
Nothing whatsoever to do with the US Presidential election.


carl thinks people lay awake at night worrying about covid

gweggy thinks that australians should be soiling their keyboards as they obsess over trumps sex life
You don't think it's concerning that a guy who has been and will be again the President has said the things he's said about women and has been convicted of felonious crimes against them?


roo thinks the left weaponising ukraine and letting 3/4 of their young men die in a useless war is improving world peace
Is there something wrong with Ukraine being given the ability to defend their own country from an invasion by a power hungry dictator called Putin? What would you expect us to do is Australia were invaded by China, or what would you have done about a Japanese invasion of Australia in WWII?


karnal thinks that the embedded interests in the USA are fighting for the people in the rust belt

they all think biden and harris racking up 1 trillion more in debt every 3 months and wrapping it around the necks of the productive elements of the USA (young workers) is totally fine

and harris who said "illegal immigrant criminals in jail have the right to tax payer funded gender surgery" and never admitted she was wrong

and they all thought illegals were good for their base, failing to grasp that recently arrived migrants are often the biggest racists who want the border closed behind them

marla thinks being a walter mitty and addicted to pot which punches holes in your brain is a healthy life

they have been proven to be the total fools they are, but they seem incapable of owning it

they were encouraged to "study' trump by the intelligent aquascoot on 100's of occassions but they spent their time in their echo chamber of BS

and the hens have come home to roost.

marvellous stuff


The other stuff wasn't worth responding to.


This bit is worth responding to:

aquascoot:
"they all think biden and harris racking up 1 trillion more in debt every 3 months and wrapping it around the necks of the productive elements of the USA (young workers) is totally fine.


1. Trump is going to rack up even more debt than Biden and Harris, by lowering taxes on the wealthy.

2. Trade-crippling  tarrifs on China will raise prices of everyday items in the US, making the cost of living crisis for low paid workers in the US even worse. 


The resulting trade war that Trump is about to start with his ill-conceived tariffs plan will leave tens of thousands of American workers jobless.
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Why did Trump win?


Democrats made the error of going with a Woman and Black didn't help either.

We seen in 2016 that the people prefered a clown to a woman.

All it takes is 6%, 8% or 10% of people spread across the country to change an election outcome.

Here we had the option between the worst President virtually ever or a Black Woman.

In the end being a criminal didn't matter, Being a rapist didn't matter, Being an insurrectionist didn't matter, being an authoritarian and a idiocrat not even his tired old brain falling apart mattered. Fact is that the orange clown isn't a woman was all that really counted.

The Americans made their bed. Now they get to pay the cost.
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Reply #11 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:48am
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:45am:
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Why did Trump win?


Democrats made the error of going with a Woman and Black didn't help either.

We seen in 2016 that the people prefered a clown to a woman.

All it takes is 6%, 8% or 10% of people spread across the country to change an election outcome.

Here we had the option between the worst President virtually ever or a Black Woman.

In the end being a criminal didn't matter, Being a rapist didn't matter, Being an insurrectionist didn't matter, being an authoritarian and a idiocrat mattered not even his tired old brain falling apart didn't matter. Fact is the orange clown isn't a woman was all that really counted.

The Americans made their bed. Now they get to pay the cost.



Bullshit - it was about:
the cost of living,
mass immigration,
WW3 starting in Ukraine and Israel

to name a few topics.

Kamala dealt with none of them.
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Bobby. wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:48am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:45am:
Quote:
Why did Trump win?


Democrats made the error of going with a Woman and Black didn't help either.

We seen in 2016 that the people prefered a clown to a woman.

All it takes is 6%, 8% or 10% of people spread across the country to change an election outcome.

Here we had the option between the worst President virtually ever or a Black Woman.

In the end being a criminal didn't matter, Being a rapist didn't matter, Being an insurrectionist didn't matter, being an authoritarian and a idiocrat mattered not even his tired old brain falling apart didn't matter. Fact is the orange clown isn't a woman was all that really counted.

The Americans made their bed. Now they get to pay the cost.



Bullshit - it was about:
the cost of living,
mass immigration,
WW3 starting in Ukraine and Israel

to name a few topics.

Kamala dealt with none of them.


All those likely get worse under Trump. Republicans will likely be looking up the 25th and Vance could be a worse disaster.
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Reply #13 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:55am
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:50am:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:48am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:45am:
Quote:
Why did Trump win?


Democrats made the error of going with a Woman and Black didn't help either.

We seen in 2016 that the people prefered a clown to a woman.

All it takes is 6%, 8% or 10% of people spread across the country to change an election outcome.

Here we had the option between the worst President virtually ever or a Black Woman.

In the end being a criminal didn't matter, Being a rapist didn't matter, Being an insurrectionist didn't matter, being an authoritarian and a idiocrat mattered not even his tired old brain falling apart didn't matter. Fact is the orange clown isn't a woman was all that really counted.

The Americans made their bed. Now they get to pay the cost.



Bullshit - it was about:
the cost of living,
mass immigration,
WW3 starting in Ukraine and Israel

to name a few topics.

Kamala dealt with none of them.


All those likely get worse under Trump. Republicans will likely be looking up the 25th and Vance could be a worse disaster.



Trump is a bit old -

I hope he can survive 4 years but
Vance looks like someone who can carry on the same crusade.
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Reply #14 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:58am
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:55am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:50am:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:48am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:45am:
Quote:
Why did Trump win?


Democrats made the error of going with a Woman and Black didn't help either.

We seen in 2016 that the people prefered a clown to a woman.

All it takes is 6%, 8% or 10% of people spread across the country to change an election outcome.

Here we had the option between the worst President virtually ever or a Black Woman.

In the end being a criminal didn't matter, Being a rapist didn't matter, Being an insurrectionist didn't matter, being an authoritarian and a idiocrat mattered not even his tired old brain falling apart didn't matter. Fact is the orange clown isn't a woman was all that really counted.

The Americans made their bed. Now they get to pay the cost.



Bullshit - it was about:
the cost of living,
mass immigration,
WW3 starting in Ukraine and Israel

to name a few topics.

Kamala dealt with none of them.


All those likely get worse under Trump. Republicans will likely be looking up the 25th and Vance could be a worse disaster.



Trump is a bit old -

I hope he can survive 4 years but
Vance looks like someone who can carry on the same crusade.

A crusade against what and whom would be the question Australians should be asking.
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