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Re: Why did Trump win?
Reply #120 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 3:06pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 11:01am:
here:
"we will liberate our country from villains and tyrants of all kinds".


But will he rebuild the rust belt, and liberate the half of Americans who are living paycheck to paycheck in a cost of living crisis, with no savings?

Two years to noticeably start turning the ship around, before the mid-terms.

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Reply #121 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 3:13pm
 
Aqua would proberbly agree that four more years of Trump will be entertaining....I never really worried much about American Politics until Trump became President....Another four years will be entertaining and keep everyone guessing what the hell is going on....Who knows Trump might suprise everyone and learn from his first term....The American public have given him their full support so nothing will hold him back???

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Reply #122 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 3:31pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 9:13am:
Just the fact that he got himself elected president of the United States on his “first try,” as he says — on his own, against all odds, as an outsider with zero political experience, amid ridicule and attacks by both political parties, the mainstream media, Hollywood and academia — should get Trump honorable mention for top billing.


Suggests both mainstream political parties are signed up to a corrupt, dysfunctional system.

Trump has 2 years (before the midterms) to demonstrate he understands the causes of this dysfunction which has given us the rust belt (during the last 5 decades); and now the cost of living crisis badly affecting the bottom half of the population. 

I've got my doubts; however,  Trump might indeed shake the whole rotten system (from the IMF down) to the core, even if he doesn't fix it.....   

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Re: Why did Trump win?
Reply #123 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 3:38pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 2:10pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 1:56pm:
Seems americans did not want assistance to buy a house, have children or start a business.

they voted to wreck social security and medicare, smash unions and give billionaires tax breaks




they voted for the stimulating entertaining guy

people have long given up believing any policy statements from politicians.

they also voted for the guy the mainstream media told them not to vote for

people have long given up believing the mainstream media tell the truth


Yes indeed.

It would seem that "They're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs" was the biggest 'vibe' leading up to the election.

Actually, that may turn out to be quite prophetic because by the time Trump has finished ruining the US economy over the next 4 years and antivaxxer RFK Jr. has ruined what's left of public health then that may be what a lot of Americans have to do for food - eat their pets.

Especially with the upcoming H5N1 "bird flu" pandemic which is 30 to 40 times more deadly than Covid (which is still about 10 times more deadly than the flu).

Interesting times ahead, that's for sure.
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Re: Why did Trump win?
Reply #124 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 3:43pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 3:13pm:
Aqua would proberbly agree that four more years of Trump will be entertaining....I never really worried much about American Politics until Trump became President....Another four years will be entertaining and keep everyone guessing what the hell is going on....Who knows Trump might suprise everyone and learn from his first term....The American public have given him their full support so nothing will hold him back???

Huh Huh Huh



people are bored

a lot of them need a really strong stimulus to "feel" anything

super sweet food,
super doof doof music
super wild porn
super crazy car chase movies with a jump cut every 3 seconds

they cant watch a 12 second tikrok without fast forwarding it


kamal thinks that some guy like Jim Chamlers trying to explain interest rates on the ABC news is "good politics"

he was told to study trump
he was told that people crave trumps wild erratic jumping all over the place "style"
just like a wild erratic jumping all over the place car chase in the 9th" Fast and the Furious "

trump understands america

trump knows that , for instance, black and latino men are "macho'
you go after their kids with trannies and stories of gender affirming care for 11 yo's and you are screwed

thats why he got the majority of the male latino vote


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Re: Why did Trump win?
Reply #125 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 3:55pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 3:43pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 3:13pm:
Aqua would proberbly agree that four more years of Trump will be entertaining....I never really worried much about American Politics until Trump became President....Another four years will be entertaining and keep everyone guessing what the hell is going on....Who knows Trump might suprise everyone and learn from his first term....The American public have given him their full support so nothing will hold him back???

Huh Huh Huh



people are bored


Wrong again, the half of the population living paycheck to paycheck, and even requiring 2 jobs to survive, are angry with mainstream politics. 

Quote:
a lot of them need a really strong stimulus to "feel" anything


Those who have given up and dropped out...

Quote:
super sweet food,


courtesy of profit-seeking bloodsuckers in the junk consumer economy.
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Re: Why did Trump win?
Reply #126 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 4:13pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 3:55pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 3:43pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 3:13pm:
Aqua would proberbly agree that four more years of Trump will be entertaining....I never really worried much about American Politics until Trump became President....Another four years will be entertaining and keep everyone guessing what the hell is going on....Who knows Trump might suprise everyone and learn from his first term....The American public have given him their full support so nothing will hold him back???

Huh Huh Huh



people are bored


Wrong again, the half of the population living paycheck to paycheck, and even requiring 2 jobs to survive, are angry with mainstream politics. 

Quote:
a lot of them need a really strong stimulus to "feel" anything


Those who have given up and dropped out...

Quote:
super sweet food,


courtesy of profit-seeking bloodsuckers in the junk consumer economy.




incorrect

if 'people' vibed with avacado and salmon then thats what the "consumer economy ' would serve to them

they dont

they are sloppy addicted low vibration derpers and they get catered to accordingly
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Re: Why did Trump win?
Reply #127 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 4:23pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 4:13pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 3:55pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 3:43pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 3:13pm:
Aqua would proberbly agree that four more years of Trump will be entertaining....I never really worried much about American Politics until Trump became President....Another four years will be entertaining and keep everyone guessing what the hell is going on....Who knows Trump might suprise everyone and learn from his first term....The American public have given him their full support so nothing will hold him back???

Huh Huh Huh



people are bored


Wrong again, the half of the population living paycheck to paycheck, and even requiring 2 jobs to survive, are angry with mainstream politics. 

Quote:
a lot of them need a really strong stimulus to "feel" anything


Those who have given up and dropped out...

Quote:
super sweet food,


courtesy of profit-seeking bloodsuckers in the junk consumer economy.




incorrect

if 'people' vibed with avacado and salmon then thats what the "consumer economy ' would serve to them

they dont

they are sloppy addicted low vibration derpers and they get catered to accordingly


Doesn't speak well of the American Public Aqua....When a Politician claims he can change the world and stupid people believe him....Trump has made a lot of claims and promises that will be difficult if not impossible to achieve....We have to see if Trump does what he said he will do and what he does he didn't tell anyone about...Trump has to be given a chance to see if his policies work....Let the fun begin!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Re: Why did Trump win?
Reply #128 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 4:53pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 4:23pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 4:13pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 3:55pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 3:43pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 3:13pm:
Aqua would proberbly agree that four more years of Trump will be entertaining....I never really worried much about American Politics until Trump became President....Another four years will be entertaining and keep everyone guessing what the hell is going on....Who knows Trump might suprise everyone and learn from his first term....The American public have given him their full support so nothing will hold him back???

Huh Huh Huh



people are bored


Wrong again, the half of the population living paycheck to paycheck, and even requiring 2 jobs to survive, are angry with mainstream politics. 

Quote:
a lot of them need a really strong stimulus to "feel" anything


Those who have given up and dropped out...

Quote:
super sweet food,


courtesy of profit-seeking bloodsuckers in the junk consumer economy.




incorrect

if 'people' vibed with avacado and salmon then thats what the "consumer economy ' would serve to them

they dont

they are sloppy addicted low vibration derpers and they get catered to accordingly


Doesn't speak well of the American Public Aqua....When a Politician claims he can change the world and stupid people believe him....Trump has made a lot of claims and promises that will be difficult if not impossible to achieve....We have to see if Trump does what he said he will do and what he does he didn't tell anyone about...Trump has to be given a chance to see if his policies work....Let the fun begin!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley



trump is no better or worse then any politician

politicians are basicly clueless

but they have the population fooled

a politician is like a doctor who has done ZERO training for the job but happily sits there writing out scripts all day.

they all do it

and they are not smart people

they are salespeople

what trump senses is that his job is just to get in and then appoint people who DO actually know what they are doing and the piss off to the golf course.

we hear a lot of criticism of musk

musk got rockets into space and even designed something to "catch ' them as they came back to earth

and at a fraction of the cost of NASA

the guy is a genius , no question about it.

the american health system costs DOUBLE any other health system in the world per capita and the american people are THE MOST UNHEALTHY .
life expectancy is falling

RFK wants to shake up the food industry and get incentives for people to eat right and exercise and clip the wings of big pharma

cant argue with that
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Re: Why did Trump win?
Reply #129 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 5:56pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 4:53pm:
life expectancy is falling


Yes, it is.

And not just in the US.

It's happening in Australia and many other parts of the world.

Do you know why?

Hint: It doesn't have anything to do with eating right and exercising.
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Re: Why did Trump win?
Reply #130 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 7:30pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 4:53pm:
trump is no better or worse then any politician



Not at all.  He is not a politician. He is IN politics after a lifetime outside politics.

He is the podcast to the Big Media, direct tweet to bypass the CNN filter. He is always right when he bollocks Big Party, Big Media, Big Bollocks, always.  He cuts through the woke fog and b.s.

He is not climing anything, nor is Musk. Politicians climb, Trump and Musk don't. That is why Trump has been elected - he is not a politician. He is a guy who said, farkit, I am going to do what is right. That's what got him elected. People know he has no other pupose - not money, fame, adoration, approval by the elites. No inauthentic man would withstand the amount of shite they have been throwing at him.  All his critics would shut up at the first lawsuit flung their way. Trump has withstood enormous pressure and has been recognised and honoured for it.

The banter is just a bonus. Drives his detractors to despair - a good thing.

He's a little bit like the Gracchi in Rome. They were tribunes of the people and they were assassinated.



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Reply #131 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 10:26pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 9:12am:
This is my analysis as to why Donald Trump, a convicted felon and habitual liar who consistently attacked the very core of American democracy as fraudulent (i.e. the election itself) won a second term after being rejected by voters four years ago.

The fact that Joe Biden initially ran for a second term and took up a lot of campaigning time is a major factor that can't be ignored. Then there was the substance of the campaign run by Harris, or the lack thereof. She fell into the trap set by Trump when she attacked the person (him) rather than his policies (or the lack thereof) because Trump ran a campaign basically devoid of policy detail but full of empty promises and slogans. Harris' campaign spent too much time focusing on Trump and not nearly enough time on putting her own policy agenda out there to differentiate her from him. Neither Harris nor Trump put any comprehensive plans out there for cost of living, border control, child care affordability, etc and in the absence of any real plans, voters went with the populist candidate.

Harris spent too much campaign time basically saying, "Trump bad, Harris good" without offering any real alternative beyond that and that worked just fine for Trump because his supporters couldn't give a crap about substance - they're populist voters and he just had to tell them what they wanted to hear, which they lapped up. Just look back at Trumps' last term. What did he achieve that he said he would do? Basically nothing. Repealing the Affordable Care Act (i.e. Obamacare) was something he constantly said he would do while campaigning, but did nothing. Building the border wall and getting Mexico to pay for it was another big campaign promise. He failed on both counts - the wall is unfinished and Mexico basically told him to bugger off with regard to paying.

So, firstly on Biden. He was increasingly frail in both mind and body toward the end of his term and should have early on ruled out a run for a second term for the sake of the Democratic Party and the country. The rush to remove him from the candidacy and install his Vice President was a colossal stuff up that was both hasty and should've taken place long ago. Is Kamala Harris a better choice for President than Donald Trump? Without a doubt. Is she the best choice? No. I think the best person to take on Donald Trump was Pete Buttigieg.

Why do I think Pete Buttigieg would have beaten Donald Trump? Look at his record as Secretary of Transportation, where he has excelled. Watch any of his interviews - especially on conservative broadcasters and podcasts. He didn't dance around answering questions - he took the bull by the horns and delivered factual arguments, factual rebuttals and eloquently stated his plans and positions on issues without ambiguity. In short, you weren't left wondering his stance and he also not only called out lies from conservative interviewers but why they were lies. He was very strong in town halls and in formal interviews. Harris obfuscated too much in the rare interviews she gave and offered too little detail on policy, if any at all. Regarding the homosexuality of Buttigieg, it's irrelevant to him running for office, and it's not something Trump could attack without losing a lot of gay voters (and sympathisers) and sending them to the Democrats. Had we seen Buttigieg running against Trump, we'd have seen policy substance running against populist nonsense and I think Buttigieg would have won in the end.

The other big impact on the election result was Trump making himself out to be a victim. He made himself appear to be a victim of government (both state and federal) going after him, even though that isn't the case, in court and at the polling booth through what he claimed without any evidence whatsoever to be a rigged, fraudulent election perpetrated by the Democrats. It might not be a big thing here, but in America, there's a heck of a lot of people who despise government, are suspicious of it and Trump played on their feelings like a fiddle. We all know the election was never rigged but that didn't matter to Trumps' supporters. It's a conspiracy theory that's been debunked many, many times and the proof is in the pudding - Trump won both the electoral college vote and the popular vote and looks very likely to control both the House and the Senate. Rigged election? What rigged election?

Elon Musk. He came into play relatively late in the campaign, but his social media platform gave Trump a huge advantage by allowing the unimpeded circulation of ridiculous conspiracy theories and outright lies while also contributing to the campaign financially in a very big way. There was also confirmed influence from places like Russia and China and Iran in this campaign that undoubtedly would have helped Trump gain votes.

So, that's my two cents. I might be right, I might be completely wrong, but that's how I saw it.




You're completely wrong. President Trump has been a victim of "lawfare", a political tool used against the innocent by the opposition. In his New York trials he was found guilty before the first word was spoken in court. His business dealing were sound and that skank accused him of rape sometime between 1990 and 2005 without any evidence. We don't want the whole country to look like our democrat run cities or be the financial burden of California.

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