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Re: Why did Trump win?
Reply #45 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 5:13pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 5:12pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 5:08pm:
tallowood wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 3:16pm:
Voter ID requirements.


In Australia, on election day?  None.

Australia has a COMPLETELY different election management system, stinker.



Indeed.

How often do you hear people yelling "voter fraud"?


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Reply #46 - Nov 7th, 2024 at 5:15pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 5:13pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 5:12pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 5:08pm:
tallowood wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 3:16pm:
Voter ID requirements.


In Australia, on election day?  None.

Australia has a COMPLETELY different election management system, stinker.



Indeed.

How often do you hear people yelling "voter fraud"?



Where, connard?

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Reply #47 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 6:29am
 
These men were diverse: white, black, Hispanic, Asian. A few wore Trump caps, but the aesthetic was more like a university dorm than a MAGA rally. “This is the counterculture” one party goer told me. “This isn’t just about Trump,” another said.

“It’s about Vance and Musk. It’s about American dynamism.”

In the coming days, much will be written about working class concerns – issues that have become familiar focal points for those seeking to understand Trump’s support. But while inflation and border policies will have no doubt played a role in the Republicans’ landslide victory, we might also want to look at the sentiments expressed by these young male voters – voters who represent a new and emerging contingent in American politics.

Nothing about the young men I spoke to appeared particularly conservative or “right-wing”. Yet it was easy for them to explain why they voted for Trump. And if we zoom out and look at broader cultural trends, it should be easy for us to understand too.

If we take a macro perspective, we see that such young men have never known a culture in which males are not routinely described as “problematic,” “toxic” or “oppressive”. Going to university, and working at modern companies, they live in a world of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion policies – many of which promote an insidious and pervasive form of anti-male discrimination. Yet to talk about it in public invites social ostracism. To criticise DEI is to risk being called a Nazi.

These young male voters know about theories of patriarchy and white supremacy, but they have never known a culture which celebrates the Great Man Theory of history.

Thomas Caryle’s nineteenth century framework for understanding the past is seen as an anachronism, not worthy of serious thought. Today we acknowledge historical figures not for their feats, but for their crimes. Whether it is due to slavery, colonisation, racism or sexism, we tear down the monuments of our past, while building no new heroes for our ­future.

The problem with this way of viewing the world is that it is alienating and self-defeating. It is also wrong. By any objective standards Elon Musk is a great man of history, who is influencing the course of human civilisation for generations to come. As one partygoer told me: “He caught a f..king rocket with mechanical chopsticks.” Yet despite these achievements, Musk is more likely to be scorned than celebrated by the Democratic establishment.

This tension between achievement and resentment explains much about our current moment. Musk builds space rockets and electric cars. Trump builds skyscrapers and golf courses. Both men represent what was once celebrated in American culture: the capacity of exceptional individuals to reshape reality through force of will. The young men I met that night in Manhattan weren’t just voting for Trump’s policies. They were voting for a different view of history and human nature. In their world, individual greatness matters. Male ambition serves a purpose. Risk-taking and defiance create progress.

This is why the Trump victory transcends conventional political analysis. It represents more than a rebuke of border policies or inflation rates. It signals a resurrection of old truths: that civilisation advances through the actions of remarkable individuals, that male traits can build rather than destroy, and that greatness – despite our modern discomfort with the concept – remains a force in human affairs.

The election wasn’t just a victory for Trump.  It was a victory for a way of seeing the world that many thought dead: one where individual achievement matters, where male ambition serves a purpose, and where great men still shape the course of history.

Claire Lehmann is founder and editor-in-chief of Quillette.
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Reply #48 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 6:34am
 
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What a brilliant, incisive and pertinacious article. I am a white male, aged 35, married, 2 great kids, small business owner, house with mortgage, living in the state of desuetude formerly known as Victoria. Precisely the demographic that will initiate the change we need to see. Nobody, no-one nada, goes into bat for us. My mates, our wives, families and friends all are isolated from  policies and attitudes that have become mainstream. Time to rise up and be the change we want to see. I have not felt so invigorated for a long time as I did last evening when it was apparent Trump had regained the Presidency. Time for a change.
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Great article. Makes me want to be proud of being a man, raise a family, go out and build a great business and employ people….oh wait, I already do! But now I don’t need to be ashamed of my success.




Young men are with Aqua, not sooky Bandt. A good thing.
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Reply #49 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 7:13am
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:45am:
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Why did Trump win?


Democrats made the error of going with a Woman and Black didn't help either.

We seen in 2016 that the people prefered a clown to a woman.

All it takes is 6%, 8% or 10% of people spread across the country to change an election outcome.

Here we had the option between the worst President virtually ever or a Black Woman.

In the end being a criminal didn't matter, Being a rapist didn't matter, Being an insurrectionist didn't matter, being an authoritarian and a idiocrat not even his tired old brain falling apart mattered. Fact is that the orange clown isn't a woman was all that really counted.

The Americans made their bed. Now they get to pay the cost.


🤣 so what you’re saying is that the US is racist and misogynist ….. how typically leftoid of you.
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Reply #50 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 7:17am
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 11:18am:
Gordon wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 11:02am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 10:45am:
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Why did Trump win?


Democrats made the error of going with a Woman and Black didn't help either.



Why are you obsessed with the color of her skin and not her character, which is the reason she was slaughtered


Are you a racist?



Her character - compared to Trump - even Epstein said that Trump has no morals at all.

You could hardly make a more ridiculous claim.

Remember when the biggest complaint they had against her was that maybe she might not have worked for McDonalds. Of course there was no evidence that she hadn't.

You think that some proportion of Americans didn't vote based on sex and or colour? That is just ridiculous.

My point is that this was not the election to test them on this it was too important.


And Epstein had morals? FFS Roll Eyes
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Re: Why did Trump win?
Reply #51 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 7:23am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 5:08pm:
tallowood wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 3:16pm:
Voter ID requirements.


In Australia, on election day?  None.


X 2 times……. Why are you still here?
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Reply #52 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 7:39am
 
And the Ozpolitic world laughs @PECCARY: the forums biggest loser and denialist.


HAHAHAHAHA ; 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂
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Re: Why did Trump win?
Reply #53 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 7:58am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 5:13pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 5:12pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 5:08pm:
tallowood wrote on Nov 7th, 2024 at 3:16pm:
Voter ID requirements.


In Australia, on election day?  None.

Australia has a COMPLETELY different election management system, stinker.



Indeed.

How often do you hear people yelling "voter fraud"?


Normally, around election time. Especially this year when I dreamed about that day when I voted for the first time, whilst still hungover. It was my final year of high school, and I was causing mayhem. Chaos was outside on the local radio doing interviews with local candidates.

Long story short, I voted once. Got my name marked off the electoral roll. Then I went and pretended to vote again at another high school. I was almost arrested that day. Had it not been for the intervention of a local police officer who called off the arrest warrant. When I explained my side of the story, he was of the opinion that I did not actually commit a crime at all. Even the police prosecutor thought that there was nothing that he could do to charge me.
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Reply #54 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 7:59am
 
Peccary, you are getting accused of being a conspiracy theorist.

How do you plead?
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Reply #55 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 8:47am
 
Unlike Republicans and the MAGA cult the Democrats and the media have accepted Trump's win and have made no baseless claims of election fraud or cried about how the election was stolen....The MAGA really are pathetic loosers as the last 4 years of crying has shown....The Democrats are making it far too easy for Trump....Storm the Capitol and refuse to accept a Trump win, fight in the courts and riot in the streets....If you don't fight you wont have a country anymore....Bugger the truth or evidence just fight!!!

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Reply #56 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 8:50am
 
Because the Democrats did so much to make Trump appear bad that he just had to be better than them.
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Reply #57 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 9:28am
 

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Reply #58 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 9:41am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 8:47am:
Unlike Republicans and the MAGA cult the Democrats and the media have accepted Trump's win and have made no baseless claims of election fraud or cried about how the election was stolen....The MAGA really are pathetic loosers as the last 4 years of crying has shown....The Democrats are making it far too easy for Trump....Storm the Capitol and refuse to accept a Trump win, fight in the courts and riot in the streets....If you don't fight you wont have a country anymore....Bugger the truth or evidence just fight!!!

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Because Trump won well beyond the margin of steal.
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Reply #59 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 10:03am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 9:41am:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 8:47am:
Unlike Republicans and the MAGA cult the Democrats and the media have accepted Trump's win and have made no baseless claims of election fraud or cried about how the election was stolen....The MAGA really are pathetic loosers as the last 4 years of crying has shown....The Democrats are making it far too easy for Trump....Storm the Capitol and refuse to accept a Trump win, fight in the courts and riot in the streets....If you don't fight you wont have a country anymore....Bugger the truth or evidence just fight!!!

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Because Trump won well beyond the margin of steal.


Trump is leading Harris by about 4.5 million votes....Biden beat Trump by over 7 million votes....Well beyond the margin of steal according to you....You really are a dickhead Fwank!!!

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