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Re: Why did Trump win?
Reply #60 - Nov 8^th, 2024 at 11:12am

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 8^th, 2024 at 10:03am:

Frank wrote on Nov 8^th, 2024 at 9:41am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 8^th, 2024 at 8:47am:

Unlike Republicans and the MAGA cult the Democrats and the media have accepted Trump's win and have made no baseless claims of election fraud or cried about how the election was stolen....The MAGA really are pathetic loosers as the last 4 years of crying has shown....The Democrats are making it far too easy for Trump....Storm the Capitol and refuse to accept a Trump win, fight in the courts and riot in the streets....If you don't fight you wont have a country anymore....Bugger the truth or evidence just fight!!!

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Because Trump won well beyond the margin of steal.

Trump is leading Harris by about 4.5 million votes....Biden beat Trump by over 7 million votes....Well beyond the margin of steal according to you....You really are a dickhead Fwank!!!

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Thank you for coming out boldly displaying your ignorance, Poison Pill Phil.

But just 44,000 votes in Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin separated Biden and Trump from a tie in the Electoral College.

44,000 votes across three states- that is WELL within the margin of steal.

That large states like California and NY voted Dem hardly mattered: the Dems get their electoral college votes with 50.1% of the vote or 85%. Irrelevant for electoral college numbers.

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https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-six-charts-that-explain-trumps-decisive-us-presidential-election-win

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26509 Australia	Re: Why did Trump win? Reply #61 - Nov 8^th, 2024 at 11:29am Its pretty obvious why he won. Most americans want a white male president. Not a foreigner and not a woman, Spot
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Re: Why did Trump win?
Reply #62 - Nov 8^th, 2024 at 11:38am

Frank wrote on Nov 8^th, 2024 at 11:12am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 8^th, 2024 at 10:03am:

Frank wrote on Nov 8^th, 2024 at 9:41am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 8^th, 2024 at 8:47am:

Unlike Republicans and the MAGA cult the Democrats and the media have accepted Trump's win and have made no baseless claims of election fraud or cried about how the election was stolen....The MAGA really are pathetic loosers as the last 4 years of crying has shown....The Democrats are making it far too easy for Trump....Storm the Capitol and refuse to accept a Trump win, fight in the courts and riot in the streets....If you don't fight you wont have a country anymore....Bugger the truth or evidence just fight!!!

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Because Trump won well beyond the margin of steal.

Trump is leading Harris by about 4.5 million votes....Biden beat Trump by over 7 million votes....Well beyond the margin of steal according to you....You really are a dickhead Fwank!!!

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Thank you for coming out boldly displaying your ignorance, Poison Pill Phil.

But just 44,000 votes in Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin separated Biden and Trump from a tie in the Electoral College.

44,000 votes across three states- that is WELL within the margin of steal.

That large states like California and NY voted Dem hardly mattered: the Dems get their electoral college votes with 50.1% of the vote or 85%. Irrelevant for electoral college numbers.

See also
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-six-charts-that-explain-trumps-decisive-us-presidential-election-win

Where is the evidence of the steal Fwank....Biden won by millions more votes than Trump so your analogy fails on a massive scale....Even after 4 years of lying about fraud you still cannot accept victory with grace....You are a pathetic whiney little bitch Fwanker!!!

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25000 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Why did Trump win? Reply #63 - Nov 9^th, 2024 at 12:21am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 8^th, 2024 at 11:29am: Its pretty obvious why he won. Most americans want a white male president. Not a foreigner and not a woman, Spot The Americans wanted a businessperson, not a lawyer. And they wanted a person with presidential experience.
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Re: Why did Trump win?
Reply #64 - Nov 9^th, 2024 at 7:24am

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 12:21am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 8^th, 2024 at 11:29am:

Its pretty obvious why he won. Most americans want a white male president. Not a foreigner and not a woman,

Spot

The Americans wanted a businessperson, not a lawyer. And they wanted a person with presidential experience.

BS - that "experience" thing is only brought up for 2nd term ppl. Its not real. its an excuse used for 2nd term ppl.

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Re: Why did Trump win?
Reply #65 - Nov 9^th, 2024 at 8:04am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 7:24am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 12:21am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 8^th, 2024 at 11:29am:

Its pretty obvious why he won. Most americans want a white male president. Not a foreigner and not a woman,

Spot

The Americans wanted a businessperson, not a lawyer. And they wanted a person with presidential experience.

BS - that "experience" thing is only brought up for 2nd term ppl. Its not real. its an excuse used for 2nd term ppl.

Spot

Oh, so it's wacism and xenophobia.

BTW, what happened to the 81 MILLION people who supposedly voted for Biden a mere 4 years ago? Only 69 million voted for Harris. Did 12 million turned wacist and xenophobic in 4 years?

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Re: Why did Trump win?
Reply #66 - Nov 9^th, 2024 at 9:04am

Frank wrote on Nov 7^th, 2024 at 5:04pm:

For my British and European ( and Austealian) friends who are "shocked" and "surprised", here are 10 reasons you didn't see this coming.

Read this short post and then read the replies from our American friends who will confirm what I'm saying.

1. Americans love their country and want it to be the best in the world. America is a nation of people who conquered a continent. They love strength. They love winning. Any leader who appeals to that has an automatic advantage.

2. Unlike Europeans, Americans have not accepted managed decline. They don't have Net Zero here, they believe in producing their own energy and making it as cheap as possible because they know that their prosperity depends on it.

3. Prices for most basic goods in the US have increased rapidly and are sky high. What the official statistics say about inflation and the reality of people's lives are not the same.

4. Unlike you, Americans do not believe in socialism. They believe in meritocracy. They don't care about the super rich being super rich because they know that they live in a country where being super rich is available to anyone with the talent and drive to make it. They don't resent success, they celebrate it.

5. Americans are the most pro-immigration people in the world. Read that again. Seriously, read it again. Americans love an immigrant success story. They want more talented immigrants to come to America. But they refuse to accept people coming illegally. They believe in having a border.

6. Americans are sensitive about racial issues and their country's imperfect history. They believe that those who are disadvantaged by the circumstances of their birth should be given the opportunity to succeed. What they reject, however, is the idea that in order to address the errors of the past new errors must be made. DEI is racist. They know it and they reject it precisely because they are not racist.

7. Americans are the most philosemitic nation on earth. October 7 and the pro-Hamas left's reaction shocked them to their very core because, among other things, they remember what 9/11 was like and they know jihad when they see it.

8. Americans are extremely practical people. They care about what works, not what sounds good. In Europe, we produce great writers and intellectuals. In America they produce (and attract) great engineers, businessmen and investors. Because of this, they care less about Trump's rhetoric than you do and more about his policies than you do.

9. Americans are deeply optimistic people. They hate negativity. The woke view of American history as a series of evils for which they must eternally apologise is utterly abhorrent to them. They believe in moving forward together, not endlessly obsessing about the past.

10. America is a country whose founding story is one of resistance to government overreach. They loathe unnecessary restrictions, regulations and control. They understand that freedom comes with the price of self-reliance and they pay it gladly.
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Thanks Frank, that is a nice list

I have found americans to not be entirely like that, but I appreciate your list

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Re: Why did Trump win?
Reply #67 - Nov 9^th, 2024 at 9:29am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 9:04am:

I have found americans to not be entirely like that, but I appreciate your list

The list is driven by Kisin's obsession with ingratiating himself with Americans, similar to Jordan Peterson's obsession.

He is bro-obsessed with Rogan and others, as is Peterson.

Point 1 could be said of dozens of other country's citizens - Australia included.

Point 2 assumes that Americans are the same coast to coast - American cultures differ significantly between north and south and state to state.

Point 3 is a phenomenon noted around the world.

Point 4 Millions of Americans believe in socialism, in that they know the difference between socialism and communism, and even communism is losing its fear factor. There was a MAGA supporter photo holding a sign 'Get your government hands off my welfare'.

Point 5 yes Americans love an immigrant success story, as do Australians, Canadians, the British, Irish &etc... But Americans are no less xenophobic than any other nation.

Point 6 Affirmative action in the US is decades old. DEI is only the latest incarnation of it, but DEI includes gender, sexuality and people with developmental disorders. Also, DEI is on the nose across the Anglosphere. Americans have been holding out on it more than the British.

Point 7 millions of Americans are standing in solidarity with the plight of the Palestinians.

Point 8 The land that gave us L Ron Hubbard, Jim Jones, Joseph Smith, P T Barnum, holy rollers by the sackful ... The shonky conman archetype in the Anglosphere has an American accent!

Point 9 Americans are deeply optimistic people. They hate negativity. Oh really?! All 330 million of them, eh Kisin!

Point 10 Americans support US administrations that do what the f~ck they like regardless of the effect it has on other countries. Mexico resists this with American administrations leveraging the fact that US Administrations are wary of destabilising its border state - particularly because the western half of the US was taken from Mexico and so many Mexicans are US citizens.

Kisim, take your hand off it, you wanker and just get on with doing what you want to do... taking it up the clack to become a US citizen.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40751 Gender:	Re: Why did Trump win? Reply #69 - Nov 9^th, 2024 at 12:00pm Nick Fuentes typifies the american extreme right I have seen a lot . disgusting pig he is
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Reply #70 - Nov 9^th, 2024 at 10:28pm

Trump got a lot of votes from the poor white sector, the exact same people that Trump's policies will hurt the most. Sometimes people are their own worst enemies.

In many ways the Democrats deserved to lose these votes for their inability to keep their election commitments. Still people shooting themselves in the face is somewhat unpleasant.

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Reply #71 - Nov 9^th, 2024 at 10:34pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 7^th, 2024 at 9:15am:

Aqua explained it well:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7^th, 2024 at 5:24am:

it is an extraordinary victory.

it shows trump understands people and the democrats dont

if we look at the lefties on this forum , they are so out of touch

bwian thinks that aboriginal sacred sites are the average australians major concern

carl thinks people lay awake at night worrying about covid

gweggy thinks that australians should be soiling their keyboards as they obsess over trumps sex life

roo thinks the left weaponising ukraine and letting 3/4 of their young men die in a useless war is improving world peace

karnal thinks that the embedded interests in the USA are fighting for the people in the rust belt

they all think biden and harris racking up 1 trillion more in debt every 3 months and wrapping it around the necks of the productive elements of the USA (young workers) is totally fine

and harris who said "illegal immigrant criminals in jail have the right to tax payer funded gender surgery" and never admitted she was wrong

and they all thought illegals were good for their base, failing to grasp that recently arrived migrants are often the biggest racists who want the border closed behind them

marla thinks being a walter mitty and addicted to pot which punches holes in your brain is a healthy life

they have been proven to be the total fools they are, but they seem incapable of owning it

they were encouraged to "study' trump by the intelligent aquascoot on 100's of occassions but they spent their time in their echo chamber of BS

and the hens have come home to roost.

marvellous stuff

Aqua is a very perceptive member.

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Re: Why did Trump win?
Reply #72 - Nov 10^th, 2024 at 6:12am

You asked....

'Why did Trump win?'

      Because the WOKE, LEFTIST MSM ignored many, many political realities in the U.S./world,
AND CHOSE, to invent their own [often 'doozy'] narratives [no matter how absurd and UNTRUTHFUL those narratives may have been].

      Because LEFTIST POLLSTERS had no idea how to poll persons, who were fearful of being socially CANCELLED if they revealed their true opinions ???
[......so when those who lived in a Democrat district were polled, and asked to declare Harris or Trump,
many said, 'Oh yes, Harris......definitely Harris'.]

      Because the WOKE, LEFTIST political class [AOC, Democrats, Biden, Schumer, etc, etc.]
chose to publicly DISRESPECT and tried to socially 'CANCEL' anyone who did not agree with their WOKE, LEFTIST political agenda.
e.g.
'MAGA are Nazis and Fascists',
'MAGA and Trump will destroy our Republic',
'MAGA are extremists, and Trump IS too dangerous to allow to win government.'

Quote:

24 things Donald Trump is promising to do
Politics Aug 7, 2024 10:40 AM EST

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1731145785/0#0

IN ANY SOCIETY......
Using 'IDENTITY POLITICS' [based upon, a 'guided' 'Vox populi' opinion] to attribute social 'virtue' or social disparagement and hate, to whole groups of people........is stupid and evil.

The 'political class, need to allow the people, the citizens of a nation, to choose positions upon merit, as the people identify merit.

And not what some 'expert think tank' has declared to be meritorious.

The freedom to choose, for ourselves, ......is liberty, it is freedom.

And the freedom to engage in reasoned debate, ......is liberty, it is freedom.

The right, to Freedom of Speech,
is the foundation,
of all of our freedoms,
and is the basis of all of our lawful liberties.

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Proverbs 14:34
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It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
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Re: Why did Trump win?
Reply #73 - Nov 10^th, 2024 at 8:30am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 10:28pm:

Trump got a lot of votes from the poor white sector, the exact same people that Trump's policies will hurt the most. Sometimes people are their own worst enemies.

In many ways the Democrats deserved to lose these votes for their inability to keep their election commitments. Still people shooting themselves in the face is somewhat unpleasant.

that is why they are poor

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Re: Why did Trump win?
Reply #74 - Nov 10^th, 2024 at 8:41am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 8:30am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 10:28pm:

Trump got a lot of votes from the poor white sector, the exact same people that Trump's policies will hurt the most. Sometimes people are their own worst enemies.

In many ways the Democrats deserved to lose these votes for their inability to keep their election commitments. Still people shooting themselves in the face is somewhat unpleasant.

that is why they are poor

They apparently voted for Biden in 2020, no?

You silly bozos are like the German Communist Party : you have lost confidence in the people and would like to elect another one!! Cheesy

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