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Reply #30 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 3:35pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 2:17pm:
trump has done his bit

won probably both houses and the white house

now he can hand it off to the movers and shakers

And do a Reagan 'no prior knowledge' speech if it goes tits up, then!

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Reply #31 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 3:42pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 3:35pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 2:17pm:
trump has done his bit

won probably both houses and the white house

now he can hand it off to the movers and shakers

And do a Reagan 'no prior knowledge' speech if it goes tits up, then!




trump is in a dictatorial position at least for the next 2 years

a "new broom sweeps clean"

a lot of the deadwood in the dept of health energy housing education is probably toast.

have they performed well?

is the american health system where big pharma spends 19 BILLION a year just on advertising good?

RFK would have to be better then that

and musk

did you know biden had a government panel on electric vehicles and invited 27 heads of the sector but NOT musk

incredibly stupid

musk IS the EV sector

biden drove him straight into trumps arms

the left are the very definition of success barriers and self fulfilling prophecies
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Reply #32 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 3:51pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 3:42pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 3:35pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 2:17pm:
trump has done his bit

won probably both houses and the white house

now he can hand it off to the movers and shakers

And do a Reagan 'no prior knowledge' speech if it goes tits up, then!




trump is in a dictatorial position at least for the next 2 years

a "new broom sweeps clean"

a lot of the deadwood in the dept of health energy housing education is probably toast.

have they performed well?

is the american health system where big pharma spends 19 BILLION a year just on advertising good?

RFK would have to be better then that

and musk

did you know biden had a government panel on electric vehicles and invited 27 heads of the sector but NOT musk

incredibly stupid

musk IS the EV sector

biden drove him straight into trumps arms

the left are the very definition of success barriers and self fulfilling prophecies

Trump ain't no new broom... He's a geriatric straw broom - hasn't swept clean in decades.

Musk is the EV guy and Trump went to the people with 'Drill, baby, drill'... Collision course set!

If big pharma offers Trump some kind of cash deal, RFK will be in the trash can.
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Reply #33 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 3:54pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 3:51pm:
Musk is the EV guy and Trump went to the people with 'Drill, baby, drill'... Collision course set!


Trump is on board with EVs after Musk's bribe donation.

He said he had "no choice".

There'll be no collision, money talks louder than ideology for Trump, so long as he's getting the money.  He'll say or do whatever the highest bidder says.

Sometimes it doesn't even take money, just complements and charm from other world leaders and he's eating out of their hands like a puppy.
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Reply #34 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 4:00pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 3:54pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 3:51pm:
Musk is the EV guy and Trump went to the people with 'Drill, baby, drill'... Collision course set!


Trump is on board with EVs after Musk's bribe donation.

There'll be no collision, money talks louder than ideology for Trump, so long as he's getting the money.  He'll say or do whatever the highest bidder says.

Sometimes it doesn't even take money, just complements and charm from other world leaders and he's eating out of their hands like a puppy.

Do you think the oil industry will be folding, or seeing Musk's numbers and raising?

Once Trump's done with being trumped in popularity by the 'brainiac bank' of Musk and Vance, the love will be gone. RFK will become a laughing-stock quick enough - another thing Trump hates - being associated with 'losers'.

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Reply #35 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 4:06pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 4:00pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 3:54pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 3:51pm:
Musk is the EV guy and Trump went to the people with 'Drill, baby, drill'... Collision course set!


Trump is on board with EVs after Musk's bribe donation.

There'll be no collision, money talks louder than ideology for Trump, so long as he's getting the money.  He'll say or do whatever the highest bidder says.

Sometimes it doesn't even take money, just complements and charm from other world leaders and he's eating out of their hands like a puppy.

Do you think the oil industry will be folding, or seeing Musk's numbers and raising?

Once Trump's done with being trumped in popularity by the 'brainiac bank' of Musk and Vance, the love will be gone. RFK will become a laughing-stock quick enough - another thing Trump hates - being associated with 'losers'.


The oil industry isn't disappearing any time soon, nor should it. Oil remains essential, not just for energy but for the production of plastics and numerous building materials central to modern life.

The critical point here, however, is that for years, Trump has railed against renewable energy, electric vehicles, and even measures as trivial as low-flow toilets, labelling them as threats to American freedom. Yet, in an instant, all that vitriol dissipated following Elon Musk’s donations.

This pivot is emblematic of Trump’s singular loyalty, to himself. His policies are not rooted in principle or public interest; they’re reflections of whatever he perceives to be most advantageous to his own standing. Evidence of this self-serving agenda was abundant in his first term, yet his supporters continue to cling to the illusion that he's working in their best interests, that he's somehow their champion.

In reality, unless one is a billionaire, Trump’s policies are unlikely to offer much benefit. On the contrary, his rhetoric around tariffs and trade suggests he’s willing to exacerbate the cost-of-living crisis. By driving up prices on essential goods and inflating costs for his own base, Trump’s proposals are set to worsen inflation, ultimately pushing up interest rates and putting further strain on everyday Americans.

His ardent supporters, those awaiting salvation, are at risk of being metaphorically fed to the billionaires he prioritises. Ironically, they may cheer him on even as they’re squeezed under the weight of his policies, unable, or unwilling, to see the grinder turning.
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Reply #36 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 4:16pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 4:06pm:
The critical point here, however, is that for years, Trump has railed against renewable energy, electric vehicles, and even measures as trivial as low-flow toilets, labelling them as threats to American freedom. Yet, in an instant, all that vitriol dissipated following Elon Musk’s donations.

And, of course, Trump will stick by his 180 on this (not!), even if the oil industry schmoozes him in a way Musk can't - his being a genius and autistic.

The EV infrastructure needs to be massively built up for EVs to be the biggest thing... more costly than his big beautiful wall (has he got a border Tsar in mind yet?)... What do you think the oil companies' combined public campaign will be like on that? Trump went to the people promising more jobs in big oil...

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Reply #37 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 4:41pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 4:16pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 4:06pm:
The critical point here, however, is that for years, Trump has railed against renewable energy, electric vehicles, and even measures as trivial as low-flow toilets, labelling them as threats to American freedom. Yet, in an instant, all that vitriol dissipated following Elon Musk’s donations.

And, of course, Trump will stick by his 180 on this (not!), even if the oil industry schmoozes him in a way Musk can't - his being a genius and autistic.

The EV infrastructure needs to be massively built up for EVs to be the biggest thing... more costly than his big beautiful wall (has he got a border Tsar in mind yet?)... What do you think the oil companies' combined public campaign will be like on that? Trump went to the people promising more jobs in big oil...



Trump doesn't need to make any favourable changes to the EV or renewable landscape to pay his debt to Musk.

It's all about the tax cuts and other favourable policies to those in Musk's class.

We've seen the starting blueprints already.

Trump's base has adopted the notion of renewables being for the weak, they won't change their minds.

There is no point trying, and he's still got to balance his party's debts to the Oil industry as you say.
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Reply #38 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 4:52pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 4:41pm:
and he's still got to balance his party's debts to the Oil industry as you say.

Trump doesn't give two sh!ts about the Republican Party. He didn't even mention them in his victory speech.
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Reply #39 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 4:55pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 4:52pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 4:41pm:
and he's still got to balance his party's debts to the Oil industry as you say.

Trump doesn't give two sh!ts about the Republican Party. He didn't even mention them in his victory speech.



Trump has made the GOP his party - a new party - a party for the working class.

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Reply #40 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 5:03pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 4:55pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 4:52pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 4:41pm:
and he's still got to balance his party's debts to the Oil industry as you say.

Trump doesn't give two sh!ts about the Republican Party. He didn't even mention them in his victory speech.



Trump has made the GOP his party - a new party - a party for the working class.


Trump will be dispensing with the Republican Party altogether.

He's decided he doesn't need it.

This will be the first collision course between him and Vance.
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Reply #41 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 5:39pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 4:52pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 4:41pm:
and he's still got to balance his party's debts to the Oil industry as you say.

Trump doesn't give two sh!ts about the Republican Party. He didn't even mention them in his victory speech.



the  end of the 2 party system could only be a good thing

as for musk

you have to admire the guys ethics to some extent

the main market for EV s was always well educated democrats

so he was willing to take a hit to do what he saw as the right thing around the trans , ukranian and migrant issues
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Reply #42 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 5:52pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 5:39pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 4:52pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 4:41pm:
and he's still got to balance his party's debts to the Oil industry as you say.

Trump doesn't give two sh!ts about the Republican Party. He didn't even mention them in his victory speech.



the  end of the 2 party system could only be a good thing

as for musk

you have to admire the guys ethics to some extent

the main market for EV s was always well educated democrats

so he was willing to take a hit to do what he saw as the right thing around the trans , ukranian and migrant issues

Trump's abandoning of the Republican Party won't end the two-party system... But it won't do anything for a three-party system, either.

The pressure will be on Vance with his political best years in front of him to hold the fort for the Republican Party over the next four years...

Well, he broke out of his Appalachian historically pre-destined orbit... Who knows? Maybe he's got it to survive the heat of Trump's wrath when Vance chooses the Party over Trump.

And, well, Trump's an old man... and getting older.
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Reply #43 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 7:16pm
 
We can have our opinions and disagree as aggressively as we feel we must, but, in a democracy, we must agree that the majority is always right... and that the majority is the torchbearer of the truth.

Something that even Plato, as an anti-democrat, conceded.

If we can't accept that, what's the point of democracy?
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Reply #44 - Nov 8th, 2024 at 9:13pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 5:39pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 4:52pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 8th, 2024 at 4:41pm:
and he's still got to balance his party's debts to the Oil industry as you say.

Trump doesn't give two sh!ts about the Republican Party. He didn't even mention them in his victory speech.



the  end of the 2 party system could only be a good thing

as for musk

you have to admire the guys ethics to some extent


Just so. Look at Russia Russia Russia.

They don't have any boring old elections, now do they?

No, Vlad just gets erected, they have some jolly fireworks and it's back to the meatgrinder the next day.

As for Musk, you have to admire the guy's ethics to some extent.

Buy a social media network, campaign for DL and sling a few jackpots at the chodes, who live lives of pure garbage.

Do you know what you are, Aquascoot?

You're virtuous - like Elon. You're out for the common weal, no?

Read your Aristotle.




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