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Reply #15 - Nov 9^th, 2024 at 9:23pm

goosecat wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 7:38pm:

Again, you completely miss it.
The summary states he wants more manufacturing, can you understand that?
In no way does that counter your statement, the USA is a service economy now.
In fact the two notions support each other.
It should be understandable to even a primary school student.

You're right, dear, I'm not getting it

You're saying he needs to DRILL BABY DRILL to create a manufacturing economy to create more jobs - for who?

Unemployment's 4.1%. If you create a who new manufacturing sector, you're going to need to either:

A) Retrain and replace retail, restaurant and health workers, government employees, etc.

B) Recruit and retrain retirees.

C) Increase immigration.

So I'm curious. Why do you think he'd want to do that?

To burn more oil and piss off the leftards?

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Reply #16 - Nov 9^th, 2024 at 9:29pm

goosecat wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 9:05pm:

Possibly, remember the majority of the USA feels he actually did an alright job the first time.
That may not align with legacy media narrative or you own bias but that is the reality.
Nonetheless he is the elected USA President and he has economic goals.
Hopefully he gained some knowledge and is even better prepared the second time around.

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the majority of the USA feels he actually did an alright job

1.2 million Americans died in the pandemic he tried to ignore and mismanaged just saying it would go away.

Every presidential rating has Trump in the 3 worst Presidents in American history and that is rather kind. twice impeached (it should have been five times) Convicted criminal and rapist, Insurrectionist etc.

It would be near impossible to have done a worse job the first time, more like many people just forgot how poor he really was.

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Reply #17 - Nov 9^th, 2024 at 9:40pm

2024 Oil Production.

1) United States. Production: 21.91 million barrels per day (includes crude oil and liquids) ...
2) Saudi Arabia. Production: 11.13 million barrels per day (includes natural gas liquids) ...
3) Russia. ...
4) Canada. ...
5) China. ...

Oil Exports Barrels per day.
USA 3,604,000

The argument here is that US need to produce more oil for their local market to drive their economy. Fact is that they are exporting 25 Million barrels of oil per week. Any new oil that the US produce will go to the export market because they don't need it locally.

They currently produce about 127 million barrels per week for their own market.

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Mortdooley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7100 Texas Gulf Coast Gender:	Re: Trumps Summarised USA Economic Foundational Basis. Reply #18 - Nov 9^th, 2024 at 9:54pm We have a huge number of soft girly men who need to learn the value of hard work. Past generations had no problem building America and if pushed out of their comfort zones the young men of today can learn to get their hands dirty and build something too. We don't need to import labor for any job.
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Reply #19 - Nov 9^th, 2024 at 10:01pm

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 9:54pm:

We have a huge number of soft girly men who need to learn the value of hard work. Past generations had no problem building America and if pushed out of their comfort zones the young men of today can learn to get their hands dirty and build something too. We don't need to import labor for any job.

Just keep telling yourself that but with close to full employment educated white Americans will be taking the high paid white collar jobs.

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Reply #20 - Nov 9^th, 2024 at 10:11pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 9:40pm:

2024 Oil Production.

1) United States. Production: 21.91 million barrels per day (includes crude oil and liquids) ...
2) Saudi Arabia. Production: 11.13 million barrels per day (includes natural gas liquids) ...
3) Russia. ...
4) Canada. ...
5) China. ...

Oil Exports Barrels per day.
USA 3,604,000

The argument here is that US need to produce more oil for their local market to drive their economy. Fact is that they are exporting 25 Million barrels of oil per week. Any new oil that the US produce will go to the export market because they don't need it locally.

They currently produce about 127 million barrels per week for their own market.

Cunning, no? On Day 1, it's all ready to go.

All that oil Sleepy Joe Biden's been DRILL BABY DRILLING

Do you think DL knows how the oil drilling business works?

How about manufacturing?

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goosecat Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 619	Re: Trumps Summarised USA Economic Foundational Basis. Reply #21 - Nov 9^th, 2024 at 10:14pm As I said. the MAJORITY of the USA believe he did alright and re-elected him. You may hate that reality, but it is the reality
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Reply #22 - Nov 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 9:54pm:

We have a huge number of soft girly men who need to learn the value of hard work. Past generations had no problem building America and if pushed out of their comfort zones the young men of today can learn to get their hands dirty and build something too. We don't need to import labor for any job.

I know, right? All those college educated kids who are going to have to leave their computers and rock up to the production line for a hard day's work on the factory floor.

I'm sorry, leftards, you asked for this. Hard work is good work, no?

Arbeit macht frei, innit.

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Reply #23 - Nov 9^th, 2024 at 10:19pm

goosecat wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 10:14pm:

As I said. the MAJORITY of the USA believe he did alright and re-elected him.
You may hate that reality, but it is the reality

Oh? I thought we were talking about the US Economic Foundational Basis. You were about to explain why he wants to drill baby drill so that everybody can switch to factory work.

Chop chop.

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Reply #24 - Nov 9^th, 2024 at 10:29pm

"The energy sector surged the day after Donald Trump’s 2024 presidential victory, with the Energy Select Sector SPDR Fund (XLE), representing energy stocks in the S&P 500, climbing nearly 4%.

This rally reflects market optimism for fossil fuel investments under Trump’s anticipated pro-oil and gas policies.

The US produced 18.4 million barrels of oil per day and consumed 18.12 million barrels per day back in 2020. Yet, in 2022, the country still imported 7.86 million barrels each day. The USA could theoretically lean into the supposed financial benefits that could be reaped if America shifted this dynamic – and more permits were issued to drill for ‘cleaner’ US oil –"

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goosecat Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 619	Re: Trumps Summarised USA Economic Foundational Basis. Reply #25 - Nov 9^th, 2024 at 10:33pm People might disagree with the idea and what it means for green energy in the USA under Trump and that's a fair enough argument. Nonetheless, there is a possible economic benefit and that's the agenda.
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Reply #26 - Nov 10^th, 2024 at 6:00am

kamal and dna are quite clueless goosecat

here are the facts which smart people like donald have recognised

america is completely energy independant

america is completelyfood independant

america produces nearly all of the new innovations in science and tech

america has the top universities

america is completely able to defend itself

america produces most of the worlds entertainment

americans are having children at a much higher rate then japan, china, korea, europe and russia

americans often dont have passports and have plenty of natural and man made tourist attractions within their vast country

so if trunp is a bit "isolationist" what exactly is america missing out on?

they are missing out on the trillions they subsidise other countries military with

they are missing out on young mainly white patriots being maimed in the middle east

they are missing out on china stealing all their tech

they are missing out on having crap junk dumped by the chinese

they are missing out on having islamic extremists coming and having a crack at their cities .

america loses very little and the rest of the world can sort itself out

thats where trump gets it right

biden et al divide the world into the goodguys and the bad guys

trump just sees the world as america (which he and his supporters love) and other places and if they have some asshole dictator running them then they better man up and cast that asshole dictator aside themselves.

and trump understands morale and "esprit de corps"

you get that by telling people they are awesome

you dont get that by telling people they are the shameful sons of white priveledge and that they should be meek and submissive and little bitches who should go thru life being timid passive and impotent

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Reply #27 - Nov 10^th, 2024 at 6:54am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 6:00am:

kamal and dna are quite clueless goosecat

here are the facts which smart people like donald have recognised

america is completely energy independant

america is completelyfood independant

america produces nearly all of the new innovations in science and tech

america has the top universities

america is completely able to defend itself

america produces most of the worlds entertainment

americans are having children at a much higher rate then japan, china, korea, europe and russia

americans often dont have passports and have plenty of natural and man made tourist attractions within their vast country

so if trunp is a bit "isolationist" what exactly is america missing out on?

they are missing out on the trillions they subsidise other countries military with

they are missing out on young mainly white patriots being maimed in the middle east

they are missing out on china stealing all their tech

they are missing out on having crap junk dumped by the chinese

they are missing out on having islamic extremists coming and having a crack at their cities .

america loses very little and the rest of the world can sort itself out

thats where trump gets it right

biden et al divide the world into the goodguys and the bad guys

trump just sees the world as america (which he and his supporters love) and other places and if they have some asshole dictator running them then they better man up and cast that asshole dictator aside themselves.

and trump understands morale and "esprit de corps"

you get that by telling people they are awesome

you dont get that by telling people they are the shameful sons of white priveledge and that they should be meek and submissive and little bitches who should go thru life being timid passive and impotent

Most of that is true.

The question non-Americans like us should be asking: 'Is a Trump Administration good for us?'

Will American tariffs on Australian goods be good for us?

Will American withdrawal from patrolling sea lanes be good for us?'

Will American security guarantees (such that they are guarantees) be good for us?

It's a laugh reading non-Americans high-fiving a Trump victory as if somehow we're also going to benefit from US isolationism.

MacArthur's warning to Curtin is as true today as it was when he said it.

'We're here because it's in our interests to be here'...

And when it's not, an isolationist US will be gone.

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Reply #28 - Nov 10^th, 2024 at 7:15am

totally agree mesiter

for europe and for chyyyyna, trumps presidency is NOT good for them

listen to what the man says

"make america great again"

other countries can man up and stop being punk ass bitches suckling on the american miracle

one point

americas dominance by big food and big pharma needs to end

its why i criticise trump for being fat and serving maccas

the 4 key indicators of good metablic health are blood pressure, blood sugar, triglycerides, waist circumference .

on thise 4 indicators a whopping 95 % of americans are not in good health

a 5 trillion dollar food industry (the swamp) feeding a 5 trillion dollar big pharma industry (the swamp) with the mainstream media and washington and the agencies (the FDA etc) totally dependant on cash from big food and pharma

america spending TWICE any other industrialised nation on health and having the WORST outcomes in nearly every metric

this needs to change or the country is stuffed

if trump can kick out the grifters

get an RFK type chap (maybe without the conspiracy theories) to implement grass roots health programs and stifle the toxic system they currently have, they could do so much better .

kick out the military grifters
kick out the food grifters
kick out the pharma grifters
kick out the university grifters
kick out the education grifters

get americans doing what they do best

taking risks , building businesses, taking on challenges, being awesome
sideline government and red tape

he is setting the right mood

people like musk get it

thats why they are so threatening to the embedded rusted on swamp dwellers

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Reply #29 - Nov 10^th, 2024 at 7:25am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 7:15am:

totally agree mesiter

for europe and for chyyyyna, trumps presidency is NOT good for them

listen to what the man says

"make america great again"

other countries can man up and stop being punk ass bitches suckling on the american miracle

There's no guarantee that Trump's presidency will be good for us, either.

The idea that the US needs us because of Pine Gap will soon be gone as US space technology makes it redundant. The day that happens, the US will ship out.

We've still got rare-earth resources for as long as that's a thing... until it's not.

What's your answer to an Australian defence against, say, a militarily confident and aggressive Indonesia, a unified Southeast Asian military threat, or a Chinese military threat?

What are your thoughts on a Chinese military blockade of Australian trade routes if, for whatever reason, Australia offends China?

Do you think Asia and Africa look on a people of 30 million with admiration in a continent all to ourselves?

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