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Reply #75 - Nov 11th, 2024 at 9:57am
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 9:20pm:
funniest crap ever written  Grin Grin Grin


It may be, but it's also the literal goal of the Heritage Foundation.
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Reply #76 - Nov 11th, 2024 at 10:10am
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 5:04am:
everyone is "over thinking" this tarriff stuff

ita all about the vibe

telling people that china is going to find it tougher to sell into the USA will encourage millions of americans who were wamking in their mummys basements to
"have a crack" at starting a business

and some will succeed

you get to be negative and a pessimist or you get to be rich

you dont get both

the figures and details mean nothing
and trump knows it
the market is moved by pyschology, not mathematics


This is more than a simple vibe; it's a consequential action-reaction chain.

In the short term, markets may remain stable. But if markets are all you’re focused on, you've only reinforced the arguments of those who criticise such narrow priorities.

Trump, driven by his indebtedness to donors, cares foremost about market optics. It's the indicator he kept pointing to throughout his whole first term, even as things were down the drain thanks to COVID.  He doesn't really care about the actual situation on the ground for his MAGA faithful.  Yet, those who elected him hoped for relief from rising living costs and economic strain.

Attempting to appease markets while executing his voter-driven agenda will ultimately come at the people's expense. The cost of living will only worsen, particularly for the very demographics that form the backbone of Trump's support. This is not what they voted for, they didn’t vote for inflated prices on goods with imported components, which includes almost everything from electronics to essentials.

They didn't vote for tax cuts for the rich and corporations, only to have to pay for it themselves via tariffs.

It’s time to stop downplaying the risks of Trump’s reckless economic plan. The simplistic assertion that "China will pay the tariffs" is unfounded; they won’t. And the idea that "tariffs will bring back manufacturing" ignores the immediate cost burdens this imposes. Reviving manufacturing through tariffs alone, without first rebuilding the domestic industry, will only make goods exorbitantly expensive. The smarter approach would involve rebuilding local manufacturing first, then protecting it with tariffs as it matures and modernises—thereby gradually enhancing efficiency and reducing the need for protectionism.

Trump’s plans have far-reaching consequences, some of which will inevitably affect us here in Australia. As our Treasury Department examines the potential fallout, the Treasurer is set to address these concerns tonight.

This is no longer a case of manipulating Truth Social stock; Trump is wielding influence over the world’s largest economy and a currency integral to global stability. The power of the U.S. economy lies in its predictability and stability, qualities Trump fundamentally lacks.
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Reply #77 - Nov 11th, 2024 at 10:22am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 9:57am:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 9:20pm:
funniest crap ever written  Grin Grin Grin


It may be, but it's also the literal goal of the Heritage Foundation.

Why don't you link to this 'literal goal", then?

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Reply #78 - Nov 11th, 2024 at 12:19pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 7:08am:
Frank wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 10:29am:
How did Britain resist Germany?



With the help of Europe, Australia, USA, Russia and a hundred other countries


Yep...

Aided by Hitler's gross incompetence as a military leader.

Not allowing his generals to finish off the British and French forces at Dunkirk - allowing nearly 340,000 troops to escape back to Britain.

Then his stupid double-crossing of Stalin by breaching the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and invading the Soviet Union - thus opening the war along the eastern front.

Then playing straight into Roosevelt's and Churchill's hands by declaring war on the US after the US had declared war on Japan - thus enfing all enthusiasm for US isolationism.

Hitler was Churchill's secret weapon!
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Reply #79 - Nov 11th, 2024 at 12:26pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 12:19pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 7:08am:
Frank wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 10:29am:
How did Britain resist Germany?



With the help of Europe, Australia, USA, Russia and a hundred other countries


Yep...

Aided by Hitler's gross incompetence as a military leader.

Not allowing his generals to finish off the British and French forces at Dunkirk - allowing nearly 340,000 troops to escape back to Britain.

Then his stupid double-crossing of Stalin by breaching the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and invading the Soviet Union - thus opening the war along the eastern front.

Then playing straight into Roosevelt's and Churchill's hands by declaring war on the US after the US had declared war on Japan - thus enfing all enthusiasm for US isolationism.

Hitler was Churchill's secret weapon!


Yay! 
Britain didn't resist Hitler! Hitler resisted Hitler!! Literally, like, brilliant!!

You've been nicking Smith's short planks. Tsk, tsk. Have a banana. Have two.


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Reply #80 - Nov 11th, 2024 at 12:31pm
 
The Danes, on the other hand, capitulated in one day, allowing the Nazis to use Denmark as a platform to launch their attack on Norway.

Poofs.

I guess they liked all those German soldiers in their smart Hugo Boss uniforms.

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Reply #81 - Nov 11th, 2024 at 12:44pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 12:31pm:
The Danes, on the other hand, capitulated in one day, allowing the Nazis to use Denmark as a platform to launch their attack on Norway.

Poofs.

I guess they liked all those German soldiers in their smart Hugo Boss uniforms.




In April 1940, German forces invaded Denmark. They didn’t meet with much resistance. Rather than suffer an inevitable defeat by fighting back, the Danish government negotiated to insulate Denmark from the occupation. In return, the Nazis agreed to be lenient with the country, respecting its rule and neutrality. However by 1943, tensions had reached a breaking point.
...
The miraculous-seeming rescue of over 90 percent of Danish Jews happened thanks to ordinary Danes, most of whom refused to accept credit for the lives they saved.

https://www.history.com/news/wwii-danish-jews-survival-holocaust
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Reply #82 - Nov 11th, 2024 at 12:45pm
 
I guess that's why so many Danes are crossdressers.
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Reply #83 - Nov 11th, 2024 at 12:46pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 10:10am:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 5:04am:
everyone is "over thinking" this tarriff stuff

ita all about the vibe

telling people that china is going to find it tougher to sell into the USA will encourage millions of americans who were wamking in their mummys basements to
"have a crack" at starting a business

and some will succeed

you get to be negative and a pessimist or you get to be rich

you dont get both

the figures and details mean nothing
and trump knows it
the market is moved by pyschology, not mathematics


This is more than a simple vibe; it's a consequential action-reaction chain.

In the short term, markets may remain stable. But if markets are all you’re focused on, you've only reinforced the arguments of those who criticise such narrow priorities.

Trump, driven by his indebtedness to donors, cares foremost about market optics. It's the indicator he kept pointing to throughout his whole first term, even as things were down the drain thanks to COVID.  He doesn't really care about the actual situation on the ground for his MAGA faithful.  Yet, those who elected him hoped for relief from rising living costs and economic strain.

Attempting to appease markets while executing his voter-driven agenda will ultimately come at the people's expense. The cost of living will only worsen, particularly for the very demographics that form the backbone of Trump's support. This is not what they voted for, they didn’t vote for inflated prices on goods with imported components, which includes almost everything from electronics to essentials.

They didn't vote for tax cuts for the rich and corporations, only to have to pay for it themselves via tariffs.

It’s time to stop downplaying the risks of Trump’s reckless economic plan. The simplistic assertion that "China will pay the tariffs" is unfounded; they won’t. And the idea that "tariffs will bring back manufacturing" ignores the immediate cost burdens this imposes. Reviving manufacturing through tariffs alone, without first rebuilding the domestic industry, will only make goods exorbitantly expensive. The smarter approach would involve rebuilding local manufacturing first, then protecting it with tariffs as it matures and modernises—thereby gradually enhancing efficiency and reducing the need for protectionism.

Trump’s plans have far-reaching consequences, some of which will inevitably affect us here in Australia. As our Treasury Department examines the potential fallout, the Treasurer is set to address these concerns tonight.

This is no longer a case of manipulating Truth Social stock; Trump is wielding influence over the world’s largest economy and a currency integral to global stability. The power of the U.S. economy lies in its predictability and stability, qualities Trump fundamentally lacks.


Good post; but aquascoot doesn't do macroeconomics - it's all down to 'personal responsibility' and a 'positive attitude', you see....
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Reply #84 - Nov 11th, 2024 at 12:58pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 10:10am:
Trump, driven by his indebtedness to donors



Who are they? Show us how is driven by them.
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Reply #85 - Nov 11th, 2024 at 1:02pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 12:25pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 11:49am:
Poor aquascoot has no understanding of macroeconomics and the forces of globalization, and hence reduces everything to  'personal responsibility'.

In 1960, Detroit - the 'motor capital of the world' - was a prosperous manufacturing centre with a population of 1.8 million people. 

By 1990 its population had declined to 700,000, living in a vast urban slum with vacant, unsaleable ransacked houses; those who were able to leave to find jobs elsewhere escaped, but the remainder descended into the worst crime and poverty rates of any city in the US.

Beaten by smarter, more competitve  Japanese motor manufacturing; Toyota Corollas now ruled the world.   

"personal responsibility"?

Trump is trying to fix the rust belt and MAGA, regardless of 'personal responsibility'. 



having you disagree with my perspective is a leading indicator that i am probably correct


"Probably"?

What is your "perspective" on Detroit's catastrophic decline into 'rust-belt' status?
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Reply #86 - Nov 11th, 2024 at 1:45pm
 
goosecat wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 2:56pm:
[Trump's] idea of increasing USA manufacturing, is not in and of itself a bad idea.


Correct: but mainstream economists are enamoured by "comparative advantage" and free global markets, and they fail to implement alternative quality occupations for the resulting displaced workers in the rust belt.   

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It requires a leader whom is prepared to enact long term supporting policies that may take more than one term to see the full desired gains in his specified area.


And decoupling from the current global supply chains, 
which is very inefficient - eg,  China can produce PVs at half the price.

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I doubt legacy media will even grasp that notion let alone promulgate it, but that is where the hysterical, radical, left misunderstand Trump. He genuinely thinks part of improving the USA economic position and citizen livelihood, includes broadening it's base to include more manufacturing.


Yes, but see above.

If AGW-CO2 is real, then manufacturing will have to be alloted around the globe and determined  by non-market based  policies.

[And public debt will become unsustainable: the World Bank will have to create money out of thin air, to fund the green transition.

COP29 will show the funding can being kicked down the road, as poor countries demand the rich pay for the transition....

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I'm again guessing .....
That's my crystal ball guess. lol


Trump's only got 2 years to increase the mood in the rust belt, before he faces the mid-terms.

The crystal ball will be obsolete very soon.
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Reply #87 - Nov 11th, 2024 at 2:03pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 5:04am:
everyone is "over thinking" this tarriff stuff

ita all about the vibe

telling people that china is going to find it tougher to sell into the USA will encourage millions of americans who were wamking in their mummys basements to
"have a crack" at starting a business

and some will succeed

you get to be negative and a pessimist or you get to be rich

you dont get both

the figures and details mean nothing
and trump knows it
the market is moved by pyschology, not mathematics


So why does your DL buy his caps, gold sneakers and Swiss-made watches from Chi-na?

He's a billionaire, right? Why doesn't he have a crack and start a hattery, a running shoe company and Swiss-watch factory? 

Thoughts?
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Reply #88 - Nov 11th, 2024 at 2:05pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 1:02pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 12:25pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 11:49am:
Poor aquascoot has no understanding of macroeconomics and the forces of globalization, and hence reduces everything to  'personal responsibility'.

In 1960, Detroit - the 'motor capital of the world' - was a prosperous manufacturing centre with a population of 1.8 million people. 

By 1990 its population had declined to 700,000, living in a vast urban slum with vacant, unsaleable ransacked houses; those who were able to leave to find jobs elsewhere escaped, but the remainder descended into the worst crime and poverty rates of any city in the US.

Beaten by smarter, more competitve  Japanese motor manufacturing; Toyota Corollas now ruled the world.   

"personal responsibility"?

Trump is trying to fix the rust belt and MAGA, regardless of 'personal responsibility'. 



having you disagree with my perspective is a leading indicator that i am probably correct


"Probably"?

What is your "perspective" on Detroit's catastrophic decline into 'rust-belt' status?


Easily fixed. The chodes just need to leave their basements and start manufacturing automobiles.

Quite common, it happens all the time. Look at Henry Ford.
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Reply #89 - Nov 11th, 2024 at 2:06pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 9:28am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 11th, 2024 at 7:08am:
Frank wrote on Nov 10th, 2024 at 10:29am:
How did Britain resist Germany?



With the help of Europe, Australia, USA, Russia and a hundred other countries

The real world is not like an episode of 'Thomas the Tank' you know ... thinking you can does not automatically mean you can. At some point reality has to come into play

Battle of Britain - 1940
US enters war - 1941
Soviet Union enters the war - 1941


You must be confused ... did you think Germany's war with the UK was just one battle? Grin Grin Grin Grin

Get a refund dumbarse
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