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Reply #90 - Nov 11^th, 2024 at 2:12pm

Frank wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 12:58pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 10:10am:

Trump, driven by his indebtedness to donors

Who are they? Show us how is driven by them.

Big oil gave him a bil. DL now needs to stand by his end of the bargain.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/09/trump-oil-ceo-donation

Maybe he can make Rex Tillerson his next energy secretary.

Mind your language, Rex. Do try to be nice this time, mkay?

DL's finally learned where Ukraine is.

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Reply #91 - Nov 11^th, 2024 at 2:16pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 1:02pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 12:25pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 11:49am:

Poor aquascoot has no understanding of macroeconomics and the forces of globalization, and hence reduces everything to 'personal responsibility'.

In 1960, Detroit - the 'motor capital of the world' - was a prosperous manufacturing centre with a population of 1.8 million people.

By 1990 its population had declined to 700,000, living in a vast urban slum with vacant, unsaleable ransacked houses; those who were able to leave to find jobs elsewhere escaped, but the remainder descended into the worst crime and poverty rates of any city in the US.

Beaten by smarter, more competitve Japanese motor manufacturing; Toyota Corollas now ruled the world.

"personal responsibility"?

Trump is trying to fix the rust belt and MAGA, regardless of 'personal responsibility'.

having you disagree with my perspective is a leading indicator that i am probably correct

"Probably"?

What is your "perspective" on Detroit's catastrophic decline into 'rust-belt' status?

easy

tough times make strong people (the depression)
strong people make good times (the 50's)
good times make weak people (increase in debt, soft living, seeking comfort, sucking on the government titty, safetyism, entitlement, obesity and fragility) (this has been the wests story from 1970 to the presnt)

now times are tough, the evoliutionary blowtorch is being applied, mother nature is sick of the parasitic takers who are selfish and those who dont want to contribute, work hard, risk , strive and improve will be cast aside

we can optimise for comfort (leftie socialism) or we can optomise for challenge ( rightie free markets).

mother nature DESPISES those who optomise for comfort and will dispose of them
if you are a taker, you have no business being on this planet,
go find another planet where taking is allowed

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Re: Trumps Summarised USA Economic Foundational Basis.
Reply #92 - Nov 11^th, 2024 at 2:18pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 2:12pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 12:58pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 10:10am:

Trump, driven by his indebtedness to donors

Who are they? Show us how is driven by them.

Big oil gave him a bil. DL now needs to stand by his end of the bargain.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/09/trump-oil-ceo-donation

Maybe he can make Rex Tillerson his next energy secretary.

Mind your language, Rex. Do try to be nice this time, mkay?

DL's finally learned where Ukraine is.

“You’ll get it on the first day,” Trump said, according to the Post, citing an unnamed dinner attendee. Grin

Christina Polizzi of Climate Power told the Guardian that Trump was “putting the future of the planet up for sale”. Grin

Jordan Libowitz of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics (Crew), a non-partisan government watchdog, said the conversation, as reported by the Post, “certainly looks a lot like quid pro quo”. Grin

Christina wasn't there. Nor Jordan.

CREW? Who they? Er...
CREW aggressively targeted the Donald Trump administration, filing its first lawsuit against Trump three days after his inauguration as U.S. president.

You got anything else, son of Punjab? Or is that it?

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Re: Trumps Summarised USA Economic Foundational Basis.
Reply #94 - Nov 11^th, 2024 at 3:59pm

Frank wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 12:58pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 10:10am:

Trump, driven by his indebtedness to donors

Who are they? Show us how is driven by them.

What evidence would you want me to provide that you won't simply dismiss?

How about Trump reversing a long-held position, admitting he had no choice because of who one of his donors is?

Would that be enough?

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Reply #95 - Nov 11^th, 2024 at 4:07pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 2:06pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 9:28am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 7:08am:

Frank wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 10:29am:

How did Britain resist Germany?

With the help of Europe, Australia, USA, Russia and a hundred other countries

The real world is not like an episode of 'Thomas the Tank' you know ... thinking you can does not automatically mean you can. At some point reality has to come into play

Battle of Britain - 1940
US enters war - 1941
Soviet Union enters the war - 1941

You must be confused ... did you think Germany's war with the UK was just one battle? Grin

Get a refund dumbarse

He could be thinking of the Danes who waved those German soldiers through after mincing about them for one day at the border.

Then cut a deal with Hitler to have his soldiers butt-f~ck them nicely, just how they like it, if they let them in easy so they could carve up their Scandinavian Norwegian cousins.

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Re: Trumps Summarised USA Economic Foundational Basis.
Reply #96 - Nov 11^th, 2024 at 4:24pm

Frank wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 10:22am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 9:57am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 9:20pm:

funniest crap ever written Grin

It may be, but it's also the literal goal of the Heritage Foundation.

Why don't you link to this 'literal goal", then?

Project 2025 envisions expanding the "Schedule F" employment classification, an idea introduced during the Trump administration, which would reclassify certain federal roles to allow easier replacement of civil servants with political appointees.

This restructuring could enable future conservative administrations to dismiss or bypass officials seen as oppositional to the president’s agenda.

The aim, according to Heritage, is to counter what they describe as "deep-state bureaucrats" and "leftist" influences within federal agencies, thus increasing executive control over civil service functions.

Project 2025 outlines a dramatic expansion of presidential power and a plan to fire as many as 50,000 government workers to replace them with Trump loyalists.

Some of the bullet points directly from the plan outline include:

Quote:

Identifying programmatic political workforce needs early and developing plans (for example, Schedule F).

Maintaining a strong relationship with the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) both for operational purposes and to effectuate the President’s direct Title 5 authorities. The President is in charge of the federal workforce and exercises control principally by working through the Director of the Office of Personnel Management.

Training and connecting political personnel.

Playing “bad cop” in a way that other White House offices cannot (including serving as the office that takes direct responsibility for firings and hirings).

There is a lot more in the full document, but given I suspect you will just try to dismiss this and all the other answers I've given you, I'll let you find them for yourself.

Somehow I suspect 900+ pages is too much to ask of you when you're only fishing for gotchas that don't exist.

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Re: Trumps Summarised USA Economic Foundational Basis.
Reply #97 - Nov 11^th, 2024 at 4:32pm

aquascoot wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 2:16pm:

easy

tough times make strong people (the depression)
strong people make good times (the 50's)
good times make weak people (increase in debt, soft living, seeking comfort, sucking on the government titty, safetyism, entitlement, obesity and fragility) (this has been the wests story from 1970 to the presnt)

now times are tough, the evoliutionary blowtorch is being applied, mother nature is sick of the parasitic takers who are selfish and those who dont want to contribute, work hard, risk , strive and improve will be cast aside

we can optimise for comfort (leftie socialism) or we can optomise for challenge ( rightie free markets).

mother nature DESPISES those who optomise for comfort and will dispose of them
if you are a taker, you have no business being on this planet,
go find another planet where taking is allowed

Bloody hell.. what a word salad to start off the week.

You've really outdone yourself this time.

Oh, while I'm here...

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now times are tough, the evoliutionary blowtorch is being applied, mother nature is sick of the parasitic takers who are selfish and those who dont want to contribute, work hard, risk , strive and improve will be cast aside

I believe you have that all wrong (as usual).

I strongly suspect "Mother Nature" is sick of big business ruining the planet in the endless quest for profit.

Unfortunately, the only way "Mother Nature" can deal with this is by casting us all aside - the greedy rich and the poor alike.

And...

Quote:

mother nature DESPISES those who optomise for comfort and will dispose of them

Yes, and the greedy rich fit that description perfectly.

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Re: Trumps Summarised USA Economic Foundational Basis.
Reply #98 - Nov 11^th, 2024 at 4:35pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 3:59pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 5:04am:

ita all about the vibe

What is it about you and the vibe of things?

Are you that lawyer from 'The Castle'?

Maybe?

However, I'm still more inclined to go with Jed Clampett from The Beverly Hillbillies.

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Reply #99 - Nov 11^th, 2024 at 4:57pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 4:24pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 10:22am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 9:57am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 9:20pm:

funniest crap ever written Grin

It may be, but it's also the literal goal of the Heritage Foundation.

Why don't you link to this 'literal goal", then?

Project 2025 envisions expanding the "Schedule F" employment classification, an idea introduced during the Trump administration, which would reclassify certain federal roles to allow easier replacement of civil servants with political appointees.

This restructuring could enable future conservative administrations to dismiss or bypass officials seen as oppositional to the president’s agenda.

The aim, according to Heritage, is to counter what they describe as "deep-state bureaucrats" and "leftist" influences within federal agencies, thus increasing executive control over civil service functions.

Project 2025 outlines a dramatic expansion of presidential power and a plan to fire as many as 50,000 government workers to replace them with Trump loyalists.

Some of the bullet points directly from the plan outline include:

Quote:

Identifying programmatic political workforce needs early and developing plans (for example, Schedule F).

Maintaining a strong relationship with the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) both for operational purposes and to effectuate the President’s direct Title 5 authorities. The President is in charge of the federal workforce and exercises control principally by working through the Director of the Office of Personnel Management.

Training and connecting political personnel.

Playing “bad cop” in a way that other White House offices cannot (including serving as the office that takes direct responsibility for firings and hirings).

There is a lot more in the full document, but given I suspect you will just try to dismiss this and all the other answers I've given you, I'll let you find them for yourself.

Somehow I suspect 900+ pages is too much to ask of you when you're only fishing for gotchas that don't exist.

Did you read the opening paragraphs of your AP link?
Or the rest of it?

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Reply #101 - Nov 11^th, 2024 at 5:01pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 3:59pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 12:58pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 10:10am:

Trump, driven by his indebtedness to donors

Who are they? Show us how is driven by them.

What evidence would you want me to provide that you won't simply dismiss?

How about Trump reversing a long-held position, admitting he had no choice because of who one of his donors is?

Would that be enough?

Let's see it.

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Reply #102 - Nov 11^th, 2024 at 5:17pm

roo is quite wrong there frank

all the politicians EXCEPT trump cant move without checking with the military donors, the tech donors, the drug company donors.

Trump is about the only one who isnt paid off

Harris outraises Trump
Nearly 5-to-1 Among Last Minute Big Donors
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TOPLINE Vice President Kamala Harris’ campaign has given Democrats a substantive fundraising lead, with last-minute federal filings released ahead of Election Day suggesting her campaign is maintaining a massive lead over former President Donald Trump in the final days of the race, based on the bigger donors cutting checks to each candidates’ campaigns.

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Reply #103 - Nov 11^th, 2024 at 5:36pm

The Biden—now Harris—campaign committee raised $997.2 million and Trump’s campaign committee raised $388 million in total between Jan. 2023 and Oct. 16, 2024, the most recent date for which Federal Election Commission filings are available, ending with $118 million and $36.2 million in cash on hand, respectively.

While the campaigns won’t report their full finances again until after Election Day, candidates are still required to report donations of $1,000 or above to the FEC within 48 hours—which are largely breaking for Harris, whose campaign raised $19.5 million from bigger donors between Oct. 17 and Nov. 1, as compared with only $4.5 million for Trump.

The Harris campaign raised $97.2 million in the first half of October alone, while the Trump campaign raised only $16.2 million, after Harris shook up what was previously a more evenly matched cash race (Biden and Trump had raised $284.1 million and $217.2 million in total as of the end of June, respectively).

The Harris Victory Fund—which raises money for both Harris’ campaign and Democratic groups—raised
$1.2 billion
this election cycle, according to a FEC filing released on Oct. 24.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/11/04/trump-vs-harris-fundraising...

For 2022 Mid-terms alone George Soros spent 128 million on the Democrats
Source: https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-george-soros-midterms-biggest-donor-1757801

$708 Million: This Is How Much George Soros Spent On The Democrats In One Year Alone

Source: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/708-million-how-much-george-soros-spent...

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Reply #104 - Nov 11^th, 2024 at 5:39pm

goosecat wrote on Nov 11^th, 2024 at 5:36pm:

The Biden—now Harris—campaign committee raised $997.2 million and Trump’s campaign committee raised $388 million in total between Jan. 2023 and Oct. 16, 2024, the most recent date for which Federal Election Commission filings are available, ending with $118 million and $36.2 million in cash on hand, respectively.

While the campaigns won’t report their full finances again until after Election Day, candidates are still required to report donations of $1,000 or above to the FEC within 48 hours—which are largely breaking for Harris, whose campaign raised $19.5 million from bigger donors between Oct. 17 and Nov. 1, as compared with only $4.5 million for Trump.

The Harris campaign raised $97.2 million in the first half of October alone, while the Trump campaign raised only $16.2 million, after Harris shook up what was previously a more evenly matched cash race (Biden and Trump had raised $284.1 million and $217.2 million in total as of the end of June, respectively).

The Harris Victory Fund—which raises money for both Harris’ campaign and Democratic groups—raised
$1.2 billion
this election cycle, according to a FEC filing released on Oct. 24.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/11/04/trump-vs-harris-fundraising...

thanks goose

that settles who is "indebted to donors"

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