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Labors half trillion dollar lie on renewables plan
Nov 15th, 2024 at 11:45am
 
The real cost of building a renewables-only power grid is more than half a trillion dollars higher than the Albanese government has claimed, bombshell new research reveals.

According to the modelling, replacing a predominantly coal-fired system with mainly solar and wind will set Australia back at least $642 billion, not $122bn as Labor has stated.

The more than $500bn hole is due to the exclusion of fixed and variable operating expenses, fuel and more than $60bn of transmission projects, as well as the use of an accounting treatment called “net present value”, rather than actual prices.

The cost of emissions is also cut out, even though a little-known quasi “carbon price” has been introduced at $70 a tonne, which is about twice the scale of that imposed by Julia Gillard.

The new paper, “Developing a base case to assess the relative costs of nuclear power in the NEM”, was done by energy experts Frontier Economics — a group of advisers the ALP has previously used.

It was prepared at the request of the Coalition, which also asked Frontier to crunch the numbers for its plan that includes seven reactors. That report has yet to be made public.

The Opposition – which did not pay for Frontier for either piece of work – said the initial findings on renewables were so damning that the Prime Minister and his team now had to “own up” to the full scale of the financial burden being imposed on households via taxes and electricity bills.

“There has been a deliberate attempt to hide the real cost from the Australian people,” Shadow Climate Change and Energy Minister Ted O’Brien told this masthead.

“All that’s been said is that it will cost $122bn, but now we know the truth is it’s going to be five times that.”

News Corp readers have reacted to the news of the report, with many critcising the approach to energy policy.

“Labor deliberately out to send the country broke and destroy Australia. The more wind and solar the higher the power prices which forces up prices and hurts the workers, families and pensioners and union leaders are supporting this attack by Labor on our living standards,” one reader Paul wrote.

Another reader, Troy, posted: “To be honest I this is still well under estimated the actual cost of renewables. While this figure is gobsmaking by the time it is completed I believe the true figure will run into the trillions.”

“Labor has failed in math calculations, oh we will look to the taxpayer, but guess what the taxpayer has nothing to give,” reader Faye also wrote.

Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen has repeatedly said the total cost to 2050 of the new generation, storage and transmission required to reach net zero emissions is $122bn, citing the Australian Energy Market Operator’s 2024 Integrated System Plan [ISP].

In federal parliament in June, Anthony Albanese taunted the Opposition with AEMO’s ISP, waving around the document at the dispatch box and characterising it as his government’s plan.

At the time, the Prime Minister also said an earlier version of the ISP was “the basis” of the plan Labor took to the 2022 election.

The new research by Frontier uses AEMO’s current ISP as its starting point.

In its work, Frontier noted the cost cited by AEMO and Labor was the “net present value” for only some of what was required by mid-century.

“Consumers do not pay the net present value,” Frontier said. Instead, they paid the “real cost” in full, including at least a further $62bn for transmission, the advisers added.

Mr O’Brien highlighted Frontier’s comments on the impact of the new “Value of Emissions Reduction” carbon price, or VER.

He said a $70 a tonne VER, which took effect in May, was being applied to project assessments to make renewables appear better and make coal look worse.

“Suddenly, the case for projects that would otherwise in some instances not stack up and never be approved let alone receive federal funding are suddenly treated as really important and even accelerated to get them into the system,” Mr O’Brien said.

“Labor did not take a carbon price to the last election, which is why this has been done by stealth.”

The VER is set to rise to nearly $420/t by 2050.

Frontier’s report said “the VER is not a price that has to be paid directly by consumers, but the investments the VER make appear to be economically cost efficient do have to be paid by consumers and/or taxpayers.

“In this sense, the VER is, in effect, a carbon price that all consumers pay for through the economic costs caused by the use of the VER in planning the energy system even though no government has agreed to or legislated an explicit carbon price,” Frontier said.

“The 2024 value of the VER of just under $70/tonne is about twice what the 2024 dollar value would be of the Gillard carbon tax at the time it was abolished” in 2014.

Mr O’Brien is due to deliver the 2024 Bradfield Oration in Sydney on Friday, in which he will say Australia is at a “genuine fork in the road”, where a choice must be made about the pathway for the nation’s energy future.

“We choose the right path, and our children and theirs will inherit an Australia that is rich, strong and fiercely independent,” Mr O’Brien will say in his speech.

“But [if] we choose the wrong path, they will inherit an Australia that is poor, weak and dependent on foreign powers whose interests do not align to our own.”

It is not known when Frontier’s costing of the Coalition’s nuclear path will be released.

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Mr Bowen has accused opposition leader Peter Dutton of inventing costings amid reports the true cost of building a renewables-only power grid will cost $642 billion.

Mr Bowen defended the government’s costings as fully costed, backed by the experts and could be read on the energy regulator’s website.

“Peter Dutton and Ted O’Brien have made up costings for every single policy except their own nuclear scheme,” he said.

“It’s time for Peter Dutton to be upfront with Australians about what his plan to keep the lights on and bring down emission is going to cost Australian households in higher energy bills and high taxes.

“Experts say Peter Dutton’s taxpayer-funded nuclear plan will cost $600 billion, take twenty years to build, only deliver 4 per cent of our energy needs and push up emissions by extending coal.

“The Government’s energy plan is fully costed and backed by the experts and available on AEMO’s website.”

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/labors-renewablesonly-grid-will-...
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Reply #2 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 11:49am
 
gee, a report by the libs is claiming labors costings are out ....  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Why did the libs bother with a report when the outcome was always going to say that. Do the libs own shares in the company funneled taxpayer funds to prepare this report?

Wouldn't the money have been better spent obtaining actual costing for their nuclear proposal? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #3 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 11:50am
 
Is anyone really, honestly surprised that Labor has lied about the true cost of their plan and lied on such a massively colossal scale? The opposition has used the same advisers (energy experts Frontier Economics) the ALP previously used to correctly cost Labors plan, so no one can accuse them of shopping around for costings to fit their narrative. It's time for Labor to scrap this prohibitively expensive and unreliable renewables fantasy and get behind nuclear power before our coal fired power stations all close down.
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Reply #4 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 11:51am
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 11:49am:
gee, a report by the libs is claiming labors costings are out ....  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Why did the libs bother with a report when the outcome was always going to say that. Do the libs own shares in the company funneled taxpayer funds to prepare this report?

Wouldn't the money have been better spent obtaining actual costing for their nuclear proposal? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Reading is not your forte, is it?

The new paper, “Developing a base case to assess the relative costs of nuclear power in the NEM”, was done by energy experts Frontier Economics — a group of advisers the ALP has previously used.
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Reply #5 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 12:14pm
 
The Coalition have done costings on Labor's renewable plan without releasing the report for scrutiny but have not provided any costings on their own Nuclear plan....Until both sets of costings are released no fair comparison can take place....How much power will each project produce for the cost invested....How much will each policy affect investment....Which policy delivers the best enviromental outcomes....Until Dutton releases the Coalitions costings any comparison is bullshit!!!

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Reply #6 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 12:34pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 11:51am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 11:49am:
gee, a report by the libs is claiming labors costings are out ....  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Why did the libs bother with a report when the outcome was always going to say that. Do the libs own shares in the company funneled taxpayer funds to prepare this report?

Wouldn't the money have been better spent obtaining actual costing for their nuclear proposal? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Reading is not your forte, is it?

The new paper, “Developing a base case to assess the relative costs of nuclear power in the NEM”, was done by energy experts Frontier Economics — a group of advisers the ALP has previously used.



I didn't ask for a base cost to assess relative cost of nuclear. I asked for a costing of the liberal parties nuclear policy. Let me know when you figure out the difference.
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Reply #7 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 12:44pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 11:49am:
Why did the libs bother with a report when the outcome was always going to say that. Do the libs own shares in the company funneled taxpayer funds to prepare this report?


so you absolutely did not ask this question? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #8 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 4:59pm
 
Liberals nuclear fantasy is exactly that
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Reply #9 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 5:15pm
 
Labor majority government wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 4:59pm:
Liberals nuclear fantasy is exactly that



As a result of cost with these new figures? Please provide your figures. Wink
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Reply #10 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 7:40pm
 
Labor majority government wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 4:59pm:
Liberals nuclear fantasy is exactly that


I suppose we could always have wind farms as far as the eye can see. It would only take the first lightning bolt strike on one of them to put the financial benefits into debt.
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Reply #11 - Nov 20th, 2024 at 9:22am
 


‘The Real Cost of Net Zero’: Chris Uhlmann delivers sneak peek into new documentary

Sky News political contributor Chris Uhlmann delivers a sneak peek into his upcoming documentary which investigates ‘The Real Cost of Net Zero’.

“It can’t work without a dispatchable fuel source, at the moment it’s coal,” Mr Uhlmann said.

“If we’re going to replace that, it will have to be something like gas.”

The exclusive Sky News Australia documentary is set to air on Tuesday, November 19 at 8pm.

https://www.skynews.com.au/business/energy/the-real-cost-of-net-zero-inside-the-...
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Reply #12 - Nov 20th, 2024 at 12:01pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 12:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 11:49am:
Why did the libs bother with a report when the outcome was always going to say that. Do the libs own shares in the company funneled taxpayer funds to prepare this report?


so you absolutely did not ask this question? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


what has my question got to do with armpits response you dopey twat. Cheesy
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Reply #13 - Nov 20th, 2024 at 2:24pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 12:01pm:
lee wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 12:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 11:49am:
Why did the libs bother with a report when the outcome was always going to say that. Do the libs own shares in the company funneled taxpayer funds to prepare this report?


so you absolutely did not ask this question? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


what has my question got to do with armpits response you dopey twat. Cheesy


I’m only just reading this thread and thinking John has valid point (with out the pathetic insult).

Regardless I’m totally in support of nuclear and can’t quite understand why we can have nuclear submarines but not power generation?
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Reply #14 - Nov 20th, 2024 at 2:36pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 12:01pm:
what has my question got to do with armpits response you dopey twat


It was your question petal. Wink
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