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Reply #105 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 1:42pm
 
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Reply #106 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 1:42pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 12:03pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 11:38am:
As coal exits, the growing burden of turning wind and solar into a reliable electricity system will fall on a complex mix of batteries, hydro power and gas.

That’s a pretty shaky mix. Batteries and hydro are not energy sources, they are energy storers. If wind and solar don’t generate excess power, there will be no battery storage to call on. And grid-scale batteries are very expensive and their capacity is not deep enough to run cities for long.


All correct, except sufficient wind and solar WILL - in the aggregate - generate excess power, in a connected two-way grid storing and producing energy with solar and/or  wind always capable of producing excess renewable power.


“Solar production in the energy markets starts to come off at 3pm, at exactly the same time as people return home from work,” Minns said. “If you can not run your pool filter, not run your dishwasher, not run your washing machine, this afternoon between 3pm and 8pm, you’ll help the grid.”

In the words of Michael Caravaggio, a director of research and development at the world-leading Electric Power Research Institute: “The fact that the sun sets every night isn’t a problem if I have 5 per cent of my energy from solar. It’s a significant issue if I want to get 100 per cent of my energy from solar.”

His point is self-evident: the more heavily any system relies on weather-dependent generation, the more its significant technical limitations are magnified.

So with some dispatchable generators offline for scheduled pre-summer maintenance and breakdowns in some ageing kit, the crunch came in NSW with the setting of the sun as solar harvesters clocked off.

Recall here that the central design feature of the future electricity system is that the fuel for 82 per cent of power generation will be sunshine, wind and hydro power. Right now its share is about 38 per cent. Today the profound limitations of weather-dependent generation are disguised by coal and gas.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/bowen-plan-threatens-to-leave-us-in-...
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Reply #107 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 2:15pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 12:03pm:
All correct, except sufficient wind and solar WILL - in the aggregate - generate excess power, in a connected two-way grid storing and producing energy with solar and/or  wind always capable of producing excess renewable power.



Just how much overbuild is "sufficient"? Looking at NSW, 3 times overbuild is not enough. Roll Eyes

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Reply #108 - Dec 1st, 2024 at 9:11am
 
Anthony Albanese has spent the past two and a half years with his head in the culture wars rather than focusing on Australians' economic wellbeing

With an election on the horizon, Australians should be asking what exactly Labor has done for them except sacrifice the economy at the altar of pet activist projects, writes Rocco Loiacono.



If a first world country cannot supply enough electricity for times when there is peak demand, well, as Chris Uhlmann put it, we are on a pathway to poverty while Bowen and his cronies conduct an experiment with the most essential of services, and destroying arable land and forests in doing so.


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Reply #110 - Dec 1st, 2024 at 1:34pm
 
Our energy-rich nation now nobbles itself by artificially creating an energy crisis and Bowen giggles like a schoolboy on Sky News this week trying to pretend that Labor is meeting its promise to reduce annual electricity bills by $275 because its electricity rebates are cutting costs by $75 a quarter. Labor promised its renewables push – “the cheapest form of electricity”– would deliver lower prices but instead it is spending $3.5bn of taxpayer money to fiddle them a little lower for a year before they jump again when the rebates end, after the election of course.

Truth and reality have long ceased being relevant to the renewables zealots. Bowen blamed this week’s electricity shortage on a “massive heatwave” when the temperature across most of Sydney was in the mid-30s for two days. No matter how much burnt orange and deep purple the weather bureau lathers on to its heatwave maps it can’t shift the mercury higher (even after it “homogenised” earlier temperature records downwards).

Most media chimed in, predicting turmoil and providing ingenious tips about drinking water and seeking shade. It makes you wonder how the early settlers survived without social media survival tips.

The willingness of Labor, Greens, teals and other true believers to twist reality to suit their ideological fervour is a marvel to watch. They deliberately dismantle our secure energy grid in a delusional attempt to improve the global climate, then blame their energy supply crisis on the same global warming they claim to be tackling.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/renewable-energy-superpower-the-grid-c...


Labor, Greens, teals and other true believers, including Liberals like Matt Keen, now renewable energy tsar, are scammmers and swindlers.

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Reply #112 - Dec 1st, 2024 at 4:37pm
 
For decades now, taxpayers have forked out tens of billions of dollars in renewables subsidies designed to drive coal-fired power out of the market, but now so much coal generation has been closed that we do not have enough reliable energy, so taxpayers also are subsidising coal-fired generation in Victoria and NSW to keep it online.

Yes, our taxes are paying subsidies to kill coal. And we are paying separate subsidies to keep it.

Such madness is par for the course in this field. Bowen was fresh back from the UN COP29 in Baku, Azerbaijan, where the host president created a scandal by referring to fossil fuel resources as a “gift from God” and where the first seminar at the Australian stand began with a non-Indigenous woman providing an Indigenous acknowledgment of country – yes, an Australian Indigenous acknowledgement of country in Azerbaijan.


Bbwianesque doesn't even begin to describe it.



The climate conference, of course, could not limit itself to climate, it touched all the woke causes. Indigenous issues were brought in with mention of a “holistic approach to climate solutions” and talk of “their rich, distinct values, world views and knowledge systems cultivated through generations of close relationship with Mother Nature”. You cannot help but think science might be more appropriate than “Mother Nature” emotionalism.

Gender got a run, too – but of course. A paper focused on the “disproportionate impact of climate change on the sexual and reproductive health and rights of women and girls” – I kid you not.


Mother Nature, the ultimate DEI hire.
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