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Reply #15 - Nov 20th, 2024 at 5:04pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 2:36pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 12:01pm:
what has my question got to do with armpits response you dopey twat


It was your question petal. Wink


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Do the libs own shares in the company funneled taxpayer funds to prepare this report?


nothing to do with armpits response .... petal
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Reply #16 - Nov 20th, 2024 at 5:30pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 5:04pm:
lee wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 2:36pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 12:01pm:
what has my question got to do with armpits response you dopey twat


It was your question petal. Wink


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Do the libs own shares in the company funneled taxpayer funds to prepare this report?


nothing to do with armpits response .... petal


You mean the firm also employed by Labor? Why don't you ask the same question of them?
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Reply #17 - Nov 20th, 2024 at 10:57pm
 
Frontier economics are doing costings on nuclear due in a few weeks factoring inflation in as well so that should swing the pendulum ...
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Re: Labors half trillion dollar lie on renewables plan
Reply #18 - Nov 22nd, 2024 at 7:56am
 
lee wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 5:30pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 5:04pm:
lee wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 2:36pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 20th, 2024 at 12:01pm:
what has my question got to do with armpits response you dopey twat


It was your question petal. Wink


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Do the libs own shares in the company funneled taxpayer funds to prepare this report?


nothing to do with armpits response .... petal


You mean the firm also employed by Labor? Why don't you ask the same question of them?



Cause the OP isn't about them ya dumbarse Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #19 - Nov 22nd, 2024 at 10:20am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 11:45am:
The real cost of building a renewables-only power grid is more than half a trillion dollars higher than the Albanese government has claimed, bombshell new research reveals.


Yes, so it's time politicians started looking past the lies of mainstream economists, and inform us the reality: the issue is mobilization of resources, not money,  necessary to transition to net zero, ie, the Oz government is not limited by Oz dollars (which it issues), but the resources it can marshall (and pay for).  

The cost for a currency-issuer is not monetary, but opportunity costs** of resource allocation.

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“Labor has failed in math calculations, oh we will look to the taxpayer, but guess what the taxpayer has nothing to give,” reader Faye also wrote.


(Well, park to one side the fact there ARE many taxpayers including national and international companies who DO have 'plenty to give'... )

But guess what: the Coal-ition's nuclear policies will also cost $half a trillion - to be funded by - you guessed it, the "taxpayer".  

** see the latest MMT post re "opportunity costs".

......

The penny (!) will drop if AGW-CO2 climate catastrophes keep increasing enough to counter Trump's 'climate hoax' theory, and governments are forced to mobilize resources on a global scale, without pauperizing low income groups with silly carbon taxes beloved by obsolete mainstream economic orthodoxy. 

"Taxpayers" rejoice, your money isn't needed by a currency-issuing government,  if the government can command, or purchase,  the resources it needs.  
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Reply #20 - Nov 22nd, 2024 at 12:02pm
 
Mainland Australia’s last wind tower manufacturer will be forced to mothball its plant in a major embarrassment for the ­Albanese government after cheap imports using heavy-polluting Chinese steel have destroyed the local industry and cast a shadow over Labor’s domestic renewables policy.

Keppel Prince has blasted the federal and Victorian governments after a long-running lack of certainty and failure to deal with heavily subsidised Asian steel imports forced the Portland-based manufacturer to close its wind tower manufacturing facility, once one of the nation’s biggest.

Keppel Prince executive director Stephen Garner singled out Climate Change Minister Chris Bowen for criticism, saying he had been to the plant and was well aware of the challenges facing local producers who are [highlight]competing with China, where there are generous subsidies for producers that have crippled Australian competitors[/highlight].
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/china-subsidies-smash-australian-wind-to...


Bowels or Albo- which one is more insincere and stupid?


Asked where the Prime Minister and Mr Bowen fit in the closure, Mr Garner said: “They’ve got to look really bad that they are losing the only tower manufacturer accredited to build the things.

“The federal government continues to say, like Albanese says, we want to get back to manufacturing. Here we have a manufacturing facility already in place.

“It’s set up for renewable energy, which is what the government talks about every day of the week, and yet we’ve got to mothball it because we can’t compete with China because our government won’t do anything about it.

“It’s just so disappointing that the government is doing literally nothing to stop China from dumping into Australia.’’


Mr Tehan said the government’s pledge to build Australia’s manufacturing base was in disarray. “What a complete embarrassment,’’ the member for Wannon said. “Their renewables only policy has been such a success it has closed our last remaining wind tower manufacturer.

“So the government is not in breach of its own misinformation and disinformation laws, it needs to immediately pull its Made in Australia ads that proudly displays a wind farm.

“It would actually be funny, if workers weren’t losing their jobs because of such incompetence.’’

At one point, Mr Garner had considered Chinese steel but it was being offered at double the price of that being given to his overseas competitors.

“For many, many years I feel like I’ve been the pied piper,’’ he said. “I’ve been standing on a soap box preaching this for so long, that China has been subsidised. We know that (in) China the government gives a 12 per cent subsidy for every tower that they export. And if that’s not dumping, then what is?’’




Albo and Bowels - a pair of useless, stupid wrecker.



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Reply #21 - Nov 22nd, 2024 at 12:25pm
 
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Reply #22 - Nov 22nd, 2024 at 2:01pm
 
Poor tgd, marketing his MMT's BS again. Not getting enough traction? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #23 - Nov 22nd, 2024 at 2:03pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 7:56am:
Cause the OP isn't about them ya dumbarse



Labor are the first party mentioned. Why isn't it about them? Roll Eyes
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Reply #24 - Nov 22nd, 2024 at 8:40pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 12:25pm:

I am going to call you a cun't every time you yawn, you cun't.

And I invite every other member to do so.
You cun't.

Let's see who gets censured and banned first for being a cun't.
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Reply #25 - Nov 22nd, 2024 at 9:18pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 15th, 2024 at 11:45am:
It was prepared at the request of the Coalition, which also asked Frontier to crunch the numbers for its plan that includes seven new nuclear reactors, which so far have not been close to being costed.

So, that report has yet to be made public.






This is because
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Frontier Research
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Reply #26 - Nov 23rd, 2024 at 8:43am
 
lee wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 2:03pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 7:56am:
Cause the OP isn't about them ya dumbarse



Labor are the first party mentioned. Why isn't it about them? Roll Eyes



any reports labor may or may not have previously commissioned have nothing to do with the OP you dumbarse . What are you brain damaged?
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Reply #27 - Nov 23rd, 2024 at 10:27am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 12:02pm:
Mainland Australia’s last wind tower manufacturer will be forced to mothball its plant in a major embarrassment for the ­Albanese government after cheap imports using heavy-polluting Chinese steel have destroyed the local industry and cast a shadow over Labor’s domestic renewables policy.


Er.... Oz doesn't have an operational  green steel plant yet. 

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Keppel Prince has blasted the federal and Victorian governments after a long-running lack of certainty and failure to deal with heavily subsidised Asian steel imports forced the Portland-based manufacturer to close its wind tower manufacturing facility, once one of the nation’s biggest.


China is the world's largest steel producer; the only way Oz can compete is with its own subsidies.

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Keppel Prince executive director Stephen Garner singled out Climate Change Minister Chris Bowen for criticism, saying he had been to the plant and was well aware of the challenges facing local producers who are [highlight]competing with China, where there are generous subsidies for producers that have crippled Australian competitors[/highlight].
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/china-subsidies-smash-australian-wind-to...


'The Australian' is a hot-bed of Conservative ignorance, personified at Ozpolitic by lee....

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Bowels or Albo- which one is more insincere and stupid?


They are attempting to abide by global agreements made in Paris in 2016

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Asked where the Prime Minister and Mr Bowen fit in the closure, Mr Garner said: “They’ve got to look really bad that they are losing the only tower manufacturer accredited to build the things.


Well.... yes, because they are signed up to the obsolete small government/low tax/ balanced budget maintream economic orthodoxy.

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“The federal government continues to say, like Albanese says, we want to get back to manufacturing. Here we have a manufacturing facility already in place.

“It’s set up for renewable energy, which is what the government talks about every day of the week, and yet we’ve got to mothball it because we can’t compete with China because our government won’t do anything about it.

“It’s just so disappointing that the government is doing literally nothing to stop China from dumping into Australia.’’


Examined and explained above.

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Mr Tehan said the government’s pledge to build Australia’s manufacturing base was in disarray. “What a complete embarrassment,’’ the member for Wannon said. “Their renewables only policy has been such a success it has closed our last remaining wind tower manufacturer.

“So the government is not in breach of its own misinformation and disinformation laws, it needs to immediately pull its Made in Australia ads that proudly displays a wind farm.

“It would actually be funny, if workers weren’t losing their jobs because of such incompetence.’’

At one point, Mr Garner had considered Chinese steel but it was being offered at double the price of that being given to his overseas competitors.

“For many, many years I feel like I’ve been the pied piper,’’ he said. “I’ve been standing on a soap box preaching this for so long, that China has been subsidised. We know that (in) China the government gives a 12 per cent subsidy for every tower that they export. And if that’s not dumping, then what is?’’


If that is true, then Albo should certainly be taking it up with Xi. But it's probably NOT true: why would China charge Oz double the price for its steel, compared to buyers in the rest of the world.  The "dumping" of windmills is a different issue.   

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Albo and Bowels - a pair of useless, stupid wrecker.


And you are misled by The Oz's well known penchant for GIGO....
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Reply #28 - Nov 23rd, 2024 at 10:35am
 
lee wrote on Nov 22nd, 2024 at 2:01pm:
Poor tgd, marketing his MMT's BS again. Not getting enough traction? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Poor lee, marketing his 'climate hoax' theory, and 'healthy  air pollution' theory. Sad

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Reply #29 - Nov 23rd, 2024 at 10:53am
 
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as well as the use of an accounting treatment called “net present value”, rather than actual prices


This is why journalists should go to school.
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