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Re: Gaza: Israel's actions 'consistent with genocide'
Reply #45 - Dec 6^th, 2024 at 12:38pm

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

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You rejecting the reports in the post before yours?

I am saying the statement is pretty much meaningless. Weasel words.

This statement?:

Suffice it to say, these (ie Goldstein's) are not the words and deeds of a rational people. Ordinary men and women typically don't lionize mass murderers and bestow upon them divine qualities. In Israel, however, virulent ethnocentrism and seething hatred of the goyim is the rule for many, not the exception. This fact was laid bare for the world to see after the Hamas attack on October 7th, 2023, which has since been used to justify Israel's full-throttle genocide of the remaining remnant of Palestinian inhabitants of Gaza and the West Bank.

The meaning couldn't be clearer; and the ICC is currently very exercized about the current actions of the Israeli state, even while Netanyahu is accusing the ICC - a court of international law - of "antisemitism".

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you need a knowledge of nutrition to make that judgement

You need a knowledge of English. Something you can't get from your Mum's basement in the outskirts of Beijing.

Now there FD, as has been said, if you want to avoid the true meaning of 'FD' being pointed out again and again, you need to elucidate that statement in relation to the blue quote, AND point to the error in it.

You said: "Eating corn flakes for breakfast is also consistent with genocide".

No its not, dummy; the former is food, eating it will supply calories and energy (regardless of the long-term heath effects of consuming conflakes) the latter is mass murder - no equivalence, unless of course you can show equivalence.

No twists or diversions, 'FD'....

Honest argument, please (...cough...)

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49023 At my desk.	Re: Gaza: Israel's actions 'consistent with genocide' Reply #46 - Dec 6^th, 2024 at 3:35pm Quote: This statement? No. The one I quoted. Obviously.
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Re: Gaza: Israel's actions 'consistent with genocide'
Reply #47 - Dec 7^th, 2024 at 4:19pm

Look! TRUMP has learned Arabic and speaks it fluently!!

Oficial translation into English:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

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Insh'allah!

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Re: Gaza: Israel's actions 'consistent with genocide'
Reply #48 - Dec 9^th, 2024 at 10:33pm

Jasin wrote on Dec 5^th, 2024 at 4:10pm:

Israel liberating the Gaza and West Bank from the tyranny of Terrorism

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1714668349

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and the false nation of Palestine that was created by the Roman Empire to undermine Israel's original and justified ownership of those lands.

Wrong again, as shown in reply 37.

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Re: Gaza: Israel's actions 'consistent with genocide'
Reply #49 - Dec 10^th, 2024 at 6:02pm

wombatwoody wrote on Dec 9^th, 2024 at 10:33pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 5^th, 2024 at 4:10pm:

Israel liberating the Gaza and West Bank from the tyranny of Terrorism

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1714668349

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Thus, for a brief period, in courageous defiance of the vastly superior Israeli military power, Palestinian villages...turned themselves into strongholds, standing up to the besieging Israeli troops. A mixture of local youth and the remnants of the ALA were entrenched for a week or two, holding out with what meagre arms they had before being overpowered by the assailants. Fifty such brave men defended Ramaysh; others could be found in Deir al-Qasi, most of them in fact not locals but refugees from Saffuriyya, vowing not to be displaced again.

They were commanded by a man called Abu Hammud from the ALA. Unfortunately, we only have the names of a few officers from the Israeli intelligence files and oral histories, such as Abu Ibrahim who defended Kfar Manda, but, like the Iraqi officers mentioned in the Wadi Ara campaign, they should all be written into the Palestinian, and universal, book of heroes who did everything they could to try to prevent ethnic cleansing from taking place. Israel, and the West in general, refers to them anonymously and collectively as Arab insurgents or terrorists – as they have done with the Palestinians who fought within the PLO until the 1980s, and others who led the two uprisings against the Israeli occupation in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip in 1987 and 2000. I have no illusion that it will take more than this book to reverse a reality that demonises a people who have been colonised, expelled and occupied, and glorifies the very people who colonised, expelled and occupied them.

-- Prof. Ilan Pappe, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine; Chapter 8: Completing the Job: October 1948–January 1949

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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

Benjamin Netanyahu, quoted in Ma’ariv, 16 April 2008

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Re: Gaza: Israel's actions 'consistent with genocide'
Reply #50 - Dec 12^th, 2024 at 4:03pm

Who accuses Israel of committing genocide in Gaza?

Amnesty International says Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. They aren’t the only ones reaching this assessment.

What made Amnesty’s mind up?

Genocide, by definition, constitutes five specific acts. Amnesty International has found that Israel is committing three of them:

Killing members of a group.
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to individuals from that group.
Deliberately bringing about conditions of life that aim to physically destroy a group in whole or in part.

Amnesty has specifically condemned Israel for using starvation as a method of war – act 3 above.

Palestinian civil society

In a damning statement one month after Israel began its offensive on Gaza, al-Haq, the Palestinian Center for Human Rights and Al-Mezan Center for Human Rights said Israel intended to wipe out the Palestinian people “in whole or in part”.

They sounded the alarm over the “clear risk of genocide” Palestinians faced in Gaza, focusing on the dehumanising rhetoric by Israeli officials.

These included the words of then-Defence Minister Yoav Gallant – wanted by the International Criminal Court for crimes against humanity – who referred to Palestinians as “human animals”.

Israeli President Isaac Herzog also declared: “There are no innocent civilians in Gaza.”

Center for Constitutional Rights (US)

The CCR is a United States-based legal advocacy fighting for civil rights since 1966 that has also said Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.

On October 18, 2023, CCR released a legal analysis on Israel’s violations of the Genocide Convention and also criticised the US administration.

The US government has supplied about 69 percent of the weapons Israel uses to assault Gaza – including large, non-precision bombs that inflict disproportionate suffering on civilians – fighter jets, and other artillery.

“[T]here is a plausible and credible case to be made that the United States’ actions to further the Israeli military operation, closure, and campaign against the Palestinian population in Gaza rise to the level of complicity,” the CCR said in a statement.

UN special rapporteur on the occupied Palestinian territories

Francesca Albanese, the United Nations special rapporteur on the situation in Palestine, has concluded that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.

In her March report entitled, Anatomy of a Genocide, she also found Israel was committing three of the five acts of genocide.

She noted that beyond denying life-saving aid and food to Palestinians, Israel was also bringing about the destruction of the people through systematically destroying hospitals and farmland.

“Israel’s genocide of Palestinians in Gaza is an escalatory stage of a long-standing settler colonial process of erasure,” Albanese said.

International Court of Justice

The UN’s World Court ruled on January 26 that Palestinians were “at risk of” genocide.

This was a case South Africa raised against Israel for committing genocide and remains ongoing, as the former continues to raise requests with the court in an effort to get Israel to end its war on Gaza.

The hearings in January saw the court issue a binding order for Israel to stop acts of genocide by scaling up humanitarian aid.

Israel is obligated to report back to the court on a monthly basis to demonstrate how it has complied with the orders – an ongoing assessment which could take years.

Until now, Israel has defied the court’s orders and has instead killed relief workers and civil servants in Gaza who are indispensable in distributing humanitarian relief.

Israeli officials have attempted to smear the court as “anti-Semitic” and claimed South Africa was “providing legal cover for Hamas”.

What countries accuse Israel of genocide?

So far, 14 countries have joined or signalled their intention to join South Africa’s genocide case against Israel in the World Court.

They include Belgium, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Egypt, Ireland, Spain, Libya, Maldives, Mexico, Nicaragua and Turkiye.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/12/6/who-accuses-israel-of-committing-genoci...

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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 48317 Gender:	Re: Gaza: Israel's actions 'consistent with genocide' Reply #51 - Dec 12^th, 2024 at 4:54pm USA claims War on Terrorism against Iraq and Afghanistan. UN supported the USA. ISRAEL claims War on Terrorism against Palestine, Iran and now Lebanon. UN condemns ISRAEL Ahh the hypocrisy of a UN that is nothing more than an entity at the whim of USA, China and Russia.
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 48317 Gender:	Re: Gaza: Israel's actions 'consistent with genocide' Reply #53 - Dec 12^th, 2024 at 5:59pm Americans are so Gay.
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 46211 Gender:	Re: Gaza: Israel's actions 'consistent with genocide' Reply #54 - Dec 12^th, 2024 at 6:11pm capitosinora wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 5:27pm: Nonsense. I can see why he was fired EVEN by Fairfax.
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Re: Gaza: Israel's actions 'consistent with genocide'
Reply #55 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 6:37pm

Well - after Syria Had Fallen .... and Hamas was isolated into a small enclave after losing 70% of its leadership and 50%+ of its 'fighters' ...... **lets that sink in** .......................... and is now cut off from all the borders through which supplies might come in apart from the food that Israel allows through ......... its remaining leadership has decided that ... wait a minute .... we're stuffed here... let's make it look good by saying we are holding out an invitation to Israeli troops to stay (they don't want to) ... oh - and we'll throw in a list of remaining hostages - though four have 'died'.

All they want in return for that is a 'ceasefire' - which will mean THEY escape due justice for their evil deeds, and can do it all again... play the waiting game until the next generation of heads-filled-with-lies kids grow up and demand the right to kill Israelis.

Netanyahu will be right to say NO - Unconditional Surrender immediately or face certain meeting with Allah.

After the way many in the West have treated Jewish people - including here - as a result of the vicious Hamas attack and Hezbollah's attacks and Iran's support for those .... the rumour is that many will be heading to Israel rather than remain in a West that is no longer a safe space - but is a safe space for terrorist facilitators and activists.

You should all hang your heads in shame, you 'Australians' who supported this filth. Never seen anything so bad - never BEEN anything so bad since the way Jewish Refugees were treated during WW II.....

You know what's funny - my aunt, who was part Jewish like my father (his sister) and with a Jewish name and whose family billeted two Royal Marines here to work with Z Force - once wore a Finnish symbol of good luck in the streets and was abused.... swastika wasn't popular then.

Meantime the Australian government incarcerated a shipload of Jewish refugees for being German.

https://www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/dunera-boys

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 46211 Gender:	Re: Gaza: Israel's actions 'consistent with genocide' Reply #56 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 7:11pm Jasin wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 5:59pm: Americans are so Gay. That clip is from an Australian, Michael West.
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 48317 Gender:	Re: Gaza: Israel's actions 'consistent with genocide' Reply #57 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 7:12pm Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2024 at 7:11pm: Jasin wrote on Dec 12^th, 2024 at 5:59pm: Americans are so Gay. That clip is from an Australian, Michael West. Sorry. I'm referring to Capitosonora
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104805 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Gaza: Israel's actions 'consistent with genocide' Reply #58 - Dec 13^th, 2024 at 7:24pm Gaza doesn't exist anymore - it's just a pile of smoking rubble. It's not much different than if it had been nuked.
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Re: Gaza: Israel's actions 'consistent with genocide'
Reply #59 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 1:22pm

**repeats** Israel has done the world a great favour in suppressing those movements and thus destroying the power of Iran to run proxy wars, which was leading us closer to World War III.

With the blustering surrender of Vlad and the equally blustering surrender of Hamas and Hezbollah and the fall of the Assad regime (though that remains a cypher on the world stage) - the world can now breathe a little more easily now that two or three steps have been taken back from the brink..... all courtesy of Israel and its sacrifices.. Sad

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