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Reply #30 - Nov 19th, 2024 at 9:53am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 9:48am:
mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 8:51am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 8:46am:
mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 8:13am:
..........  Policies are not important to the weirdos that infest Ozpol any more than they are important to the MAGA crowd. They're all about culture wars and reserving the right to be a exclusionary and bigoted as they like.

What gets me is the massive amounts of Americans who fell for Trump's overt lies.

There's no denying the financial hardship in the US is a direct result of a post Covid world and wider international politics and that Biden has actually done remarkably well steering through it, leaving the next government in a surprisingly good position, considering ... but still, people fell for the lies.

We shall see how Trump does. I for one am hoping for as little damage as possible.


Americas in quite a good position economically
Unemployment at 4.1, inflation about 2.3.

It is a divided nation so bad in that aspect.
trump has promised to gut the government and replace them with trump loyalists, stop medicare and cause accelerated climate damage, give tax cuts to billionaires, oppose unions, increase inflation.
I am sure he will do that

If you are poor or average in america now, tougher times are ahead of you




I hope i'm wrong but i fear that the most disadvantaged Americans will be particularly vulnerable ... and with talk of massive government spending slashes, safety nets for the disadvantaged are always the first thing to go.




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I honestly don't know how to take that post.

A frightening glimpse into Frank's diseased mind?
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Reply #31 - Nov 19th, 2024 at 9:58am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 8:51am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 8:46am:
mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 8:13am:
..........  Policies are not important to the weirdos that infest Ozpol any more than they are important to the MAGA crowd. They're all about culture wars and reserving the right to be a exclusionary and bigoted as they like.

What gets me is the massive amounts of Americans who fell for Trump's overt lies.

There's no denying the financial hardship in the US is a direct result of a post Covid world and wider international politics and that Biden has actually done remarkably well steering through it, leaving the next government in a surprisingly good position, considering ... but still, people fell for the lies.

We shall see how Trump does. I for one am hoping for as little damage as possible.


Americas in quite a good position economically
Unemployment at 4.1, inflation about 2.3.

It is a divided nation so bad in that aspect.
trump has promised to gut the government and replace them with trump loyalists, stop medicare and cause accelerated climate damage, give tax cuts to billionaires, oppose unions, increase inflation.
I am sure he will do that

If you are poor or average in america now, tougher times are ahead of you




I hope i'm wrong but i fear that the most disadvantaged Americans will be particularly vulnerable ... and with talk of massive government spending slashes, safety nets for the disadvantaged are always the first thing to go.



Yep - Lock that in Eddie.

But that is just normal for Republicans. It will be way worse than just that.
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Reply #32 - Nov 19th, 2024 at 10:00am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 8:51am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 8:46am:
mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 8:13am:
..........  Policies are not important to the weirdos that infest Ozpol any more than they are important to the MAGA crowd. They're all about culture wars and reserving the right to be a exclusionary and bigoted as they like.

What gets me is the massive amounts of Americans who fell for Trump's overt lies.

There's no denying the financial hardship in the US is a direct result of a post Covid world and wider international politics and that Biden has actually done remarkably well steering through it, leaving the next government in a surprisingly good position, considering ... but still, people fell for the lies.

We shall see how Trump does. I for one am hoping for as little damage as possible.


Americas in quite a good position economically
Unemployment at 4.1, inflation about 2.3.

It is a divided nation so bad in that aspect.
trump has promised to gut the government and replace them with trump loyalists, stop medicare and cause accelerated climate damage, give tax cuts to billionaires, oppose unions, increase inflation.
I am sure he will do that

If you are poor or average in america now, tougher times are ahead of you




I hope i'm wrong but i fear that the most disadvantaged Americans will be particularly vulnerable ... and with talk of massive government spending slashes, safety nets for the disadvantaged are always the first thing to go.



yes.
this is emphasised by the tax cuts for the billionaires the poor voted for.

Once the added inflation due to tariffs drifts in the situation now will look a dream to many.
They they voted in a convicted felon is beyond sensible thought
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Re: Is Trump The Most Powerful POTUS of ALL TIME
Reply #33 - Nov 19th, 2024 at 10:01am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 8:46am:
Americas in quite a good position economically
Unemployment at 4.1, inflation about 2.3.

And it got there by allowing illegal immigrants to flood the country... It explains the inflation U-turn - illegals being prepared to work unrecorded at something like $5 / hour.

Overheads plummetted.

What didn't happen was those savings were largely not passed on to the consumer, which explains the paradox of inflation plummeting while consumers were still paying high inflation prices at retail.

The idea that illegal immigration of Central Americans was a Denocrat vote-banking ploy was always ridiculous.

Central Americans, like most South Americans, are mostly conservatives, arch-conservatives even, and Catholic - an ancestrally arch-conservative form of Christianity.

What the Democrats did was what they had no choice but to do, to lower inflation in record time.

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Reply #34 - Nov 19th, 2024 at 10:10am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 10:00am:
mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 8:51am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 8:46am:
mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 8:13am:
..........  Policies are not important to the weirdos that infest Ozpol any more than they are important to the MAGA crowd. They're all about culture wars and reserving the right to be a exclusionary and bigoted as they like.

What gets me is the massive amounts of Americans who fell for Trump's overt lies.

There's no denying the financial hardship in the US is a direct result of a post Covid world and wider international politics and that Biden has actually done remarkably well steering through it, leaving the next government in a surprisingly good position, considering ... but still, people fell for the lies.

We shall see how Trump does. I for one am hoping for as little damage as possible.


Americas in quite a good position economically
Unemployment at 4.1, inflation about 2.3.

It is a divided nation so bad in that aspect.
trump has promised to gut the government and replace them with trump loyalists, stop medicare and cause accelerated climate damage, give tax cuts to billionaires, oppose unions, increase inflation.
I am sure he will do that

If you are poor or average in america now, tougher times are ahead of you




I hope i'm wrong but i fear that the most disadvantaged Americans will be particularly vulnerable ... and with talk of massive government spending slashes, safety nets for the disadvantaged are always the first thing to go.



yes.
this is emphasised by the tax cuts for the billionaires the poor voted for.

Once the added inflation due to tariffs drifts in the situation now will look a dream to many.
That they voted in a convicted felon is beyond sensible thought


Buyers' remorse will hit them hard.

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Reply #35 - Nov 19th, 2024 at 10:13am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 10:01am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 8:46am:
Americas in quite a good position economically
Unemployment at 4.1, inflation about 2.3.

And it got there by allowing illegal immigrants to flood the country... It explains the inflation U-turn - illegals being prepared to work unrecorded at something like $5 / hour.

Overheads plummetted.

What didn't happen was those savings were largely not passed on to the consumer, which explains the paradox of inflation plummeting while consumers were still paying high inflation prices at retail.

The idea that illegal immigration of Central Americans was a Denocrat vote-banking ploy was always ridiculous.

Central Americans, like most South Americans, are mostly conservatives, arch-conservatives even, and Catholic - an ancestrally arch-conservative form of Christianity.

What the Democrats did was what they had no choice but to do, to lower inflation in record time.


Surely no one believes that the dribbling mess Biden became masked an economics genius mind at work?

It just boiled down to straight arithmetic...

The more people prepared to work as virtual slaves, the quicker overheads will fall.

Why else would anyone think that the Southern States were once prepared to risk war to defend slavery?
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Reply #36 - Nov 19th, 2024 at 10:22am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 8:13am:
We shall see how Trump does. I for one am hoping for as little damage as possible.


I would love to be proven wrong about the likely outcome of 45 altering the levers at his disposal.

But the last time he was handed a recovering economy, this time from the GFC, not COVID, he slowed the recovery.

If he'd done nothing, the US would have been in a better place.

But the stock market looked great, that's why it's all we ever heard of, just like the betting markets in the lead-up to the election.

So as much as I'd love to be wrong and congratulate 45 for making America great again for those who voted for him, history is not on his side.
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Reply #37 - Nov 19th, 2024 at 11:03am
 
Biden's 'performance' over the last two years of his presidency is eerily similar to that of Leonid Brezhnev who in his later years suffered from early-stage dementia.

To his credit, Brezhnev begged the Politburo to let him retire with dignity but he was refused - forcing him to walk on stage as the shambling wreck he became until he died.

The world saw the same thing with Yeltsin in the late 90s.

To their eternal discredit, the Democrats in the US tried to pull a Soviet-style Brezhnev stunt and tell the world Biden was a 'dynamo' when all the world saw, was a shambling, confused old man stumbling across the world stage progressively making a bigger fool of himself as he went - as Brezhnev and Yeltsin before him had done.

All the while, Biden's Party, and his longtime trusted colleagues, were prepared to strip him of all his dignity... And for what?

They deserved to lose worse than they did.
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Reply #38 - Nov 19th, 2024 at 11:35am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 11:03am:
All the while, Biden's Party, and his longtime trusted colleagues, were prepared to strip him of all his dignity... And for what?


A few reasons come to mind...

While his Administration ran things for him... if they f~cked it up...

Bumbling Biden's fault.

Covid cock-up? Biden.

Mass illegal immigration becomes an issue? - Biden (although he did get a win there and handed that to Harris)

No post-covid recovery... Biden.

Ukraine? Biden

No doubt the Soviet Politburo were doing the same sh!t to Brezhnev - like starting and running the Soviet-Afghan war in his name, for example.
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Reply #39 - Nov 19th, 2024 at 12:04pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 7:51am:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 7:10am:
Mothra,
you should be thanking all those who supported Trump
as at least we have a better chance of surviving now.
Trump is searching for peace not WW3 with nuclear weapons.

Biden and Putin both want to risk WW3 over 4 little provinces in Ukraine
that no one had heard of 3 years ago.


If Trump bends the knee to Putin and lets Ukraine fall, strengthening Russia, is that a good outcome do you think Bobbi?

If not, how else is he going to resolve that conflict, there by ensuring that won't be a trigger for a world war, on day one?



Let's not speculate.
A lot can happen in 60 or more days.
Putin might shake in his boots when he has Trump to deal with
instead of sleepy Joe.
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Reply #40 - Nov 19th, 2024 at 12:07pm
 

Putin considering nuclear war ‘before Christmas’ in response to
long-range missiles for Ukraine.


Nov 18, 2024      #TimesRadio

“France, Britain, and United States have made a very big step to nuclear war and catastrophe just drawing closer.”

Putin is considering how to respond to Biden’s authorisation of long-range missiles for Ukraine, and could go nuclear “before Christmas Day”, Sergey Markov tells     #TimesRadio.



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Reply #41 - Nov 19th, 2024 at 12:32pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 10:13am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 10:01am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 8:46am:
Americas in quite a good position economically
Unemployment at 4.1, inflation about 2.3.

And it got there by allowing illegal immigrants to flood the country... It explains the inflation U-turn - illegals being prepared to work unrecorded at something like $5 / hour.

Overheads plummetted.

What didn't happen was those savings were largely not passed on to the consumer, which explains the paradox of inflation plummeting while consumers were still paying high inflation prices at retail.

The idea that illegal immigration of Central Americans was a Denocrat vote-banking ploy was always ridiculous.

Central Americans, like most South Americans, are mostly conservatives, arch-conservatives even, and Catholic - an ancestrally arch-conservative form of Christianity.

What the Democrats did was what they had no choice but to do, to lower inflation in record time.


Surely no one believes that the dribbling mess Biden became masked an economics genius mind at work?

It just boiled down to straight arithmetic...

The more people prepared to work as virtual slaves, the quicker overheads will fall.

Why else would anyone think that the Southern States were once prepared to risk war to defend slavery?



probably some truth to that

regan tried to be tough on the border but the price of food went up due to the lack of labour and he had to ease up.

i dont think trump will deport hardly anyone

he doesnt need to for the border issue to play well for him

biden and harris let them in

he gets the benefit of cheap labor and the political benefit as well

building the wall is symbolic and a good meme for trump

yet again the left dont understand real cultural conditioning



trump may have read "crossing the chasm" a great book by geoffry moore that explains that explains group dynamics

initially a MAGA hat may be seen like some new technology and derided

but once you get enough adopters, people fear being laggards and left behind
frank posted a cool clip yesterday of footballers doing the trump dance, black garbage collectors doing the trump dance, women in offices and on the beach doing the trump dance

a lot of women wore maga caps to vote

once you get the right side of the chasm, you break the cultural norms

trump is now like the iphone

people have FOMO if they arent getting onboard


meme before message

energy before policy  Wink
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Reply #42 - Nov 19th, 2024 at 12:58pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 12:32pm:
regan tried to be tough on the border but the price of food went up due to the lack of labour and he had to ease up.

i dont think trump will deport hardly anyone

Of course Trump will do as little as he can on the border issue - no president has any incentive to slow down illegal immigration where those immigrants work long hours for almost nothing without any government support costs overheads to keep inflation figures low.

The old Barry Humpries quip. 'Illegal immigration... Democracy's answer to slavery' is funny 'cos it's true.

How many people protest or refuse to buy cheap Chinese-made goods because they are built by people living and working in slave-like conditions?

What does anyone think Xi and Newsom were discussing in California? Chinese labour is no longer so cheap... What's to be done when California has gotten used to cheap Chinese-made goods, adding value to them, and then on-selling them to other states?

'They're eating the dogs', eh!

They're propping up a nation that no longer produces enough of its own workers to keep the economy afloat, not that Appalachian dumbcunts can think beyond cutting a turd.

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Reply #43 - Nov 19th, 2024 at 1:10pm
 
How many affluent or aspirational people, in the US or anywhere, hope that their children (if they even have any) hope their kids grow up to toil in factories and fields for 12 hours a day for almost nothing?

So who picks the cotton?
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Reply #44 - Nov 19th, 2024 at 1:14pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 12:58pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 19th, 2024 at 12:32pm:
regan tried to be tough on the border but the price of food went up due to the lack of labour and he had to ease up.

i dont think trump will deport hardly anyone

Of course Trump will do as little as he can on the border issue - no president has any incentive to slow down illegal immigration where those immigrants work long hours for almost nothing without any government support costs overheads to keep inflation figures low.

The old Barry Humpries quip. 'Illegal immigration... Democracy's answer to slavery' is funny 'cos it's true.

How many people protest or refuse to buy cheap Chinese-made goods because they are built by people living and working in slave-like conditions?

What does anyone think Xi and Newsom were discussing in California? Chinese labour is no longer so cheap... What's to be done when California has gotten used to cheap Chinese-made goods, adding value to them, and then on-selling them to other states?

'They're eating the dogs', eh!

They're propping up a nation that no longer produces enough of its own workers to keep the economy afloat, not that Appalachian dumbcunts can think beyond cutting a turd.




it also shold have been painfully obvious to the left that latino men already in the USA legally are going to resent more "competition" for their jobs being escorted in by biden harris.

its why latino men voted in the majority for trump

now democrat governors have formed a coalition saying they wont let "their people " be deported.

not realising legal latinos want them gone

so trump can, once agin, lay the blame squarely at the feet of the democrats, and still keep his cheap labor force.

its probably why peurto ricans inceased support for trump by 26 % despite the garbage island joke.
they are already in the USA (the ones who vote) and they like his tough talk .

why are the left so disconnected from 'real" america
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