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Sophia Gold Member Offline Posts: 8477	More deaths with methanol poisoned drinks… Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 3:24pm 5 now dead… this is very heart breaking… …. someone’s head need to roll… https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c245243m3m9o
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104959 Melbourne Gender:	Re: More deaths with methanol poisoned drinks… Reply #1 - Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 3:37pm How the hell can anyone stop themselves from being poisoned? You buy a drink and you never know if someone has added metho to it. You could just only drink cups of tea.
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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: More deaths with methanol poisoned drinks… Reply #2 - Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 3:47pm South East Asia has always been a dangerous place. Why travel agents are not more vigorous in warning young travelers about the dangers there puzzles me
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Reply #3 - Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 3:53pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 3:37pm:

How the hell can anyone stop themselves from being poisoned?

You buy a drink and you never know if someone has added metho to it.

You could just only drink cups of tea.

Geez even tea can be poisoned…
What needs to happen for someone to be safe… if buying bottled or canned drinks and opening it yourself! And hang onto drink in hand…

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Reply #4 - Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 3:59pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 3:37pm:

How the hell can anyone stop themselves from being poisoned?
You buy a drink and you never know if someone has added metho to it.
You could just only drink cups of tea.

There are a number of ways to test for methanol in alcohol, including:

Iodoform reaction
A chemical test that involves adding iodine and sodium hydroxide solutions to ethanol and methanol, then observing the test tubes after two minutes
Gas chromatography
A rapid and accurate method that can analyze samples with color or complex components
Handheld detector
A device that can detect small amounts of methanol in beverages and display the results on a smartphone
Flame test
Methanol gives off a light white flame when burned, while ethanol gives off a bright blue flame

Nothing is wrong with a cup of tea either.

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Reply #5 - Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 4:01pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 3:47pm:

South East Asia has always been a dangerous place. Why travel agents are not more vigorous in warning young travelers about the dangers there puzzles me

Totally agree… it’s been dodgy forever and travel warnings about drinks being spiked should be a constant warning …

My daughter… I could’ve lost her too…. She’s nearly 41 now, but at age 22 went to Malaysia with friends…
And it ended up a nightmare. Her drink was spiked and she passed out.
I did warn her time and time again about being careful about drinks.
Lucky she had friends with her … all she recalls is waking up, vomiting, passing out, waking up, vomiting again, passing out, waking up and being aggressive she couldn’t control.
It was hard for the friends but lucky they stuck by her.
For that I am eternally grateful.
When she came home I said for her to go to doctor for tests … all they did was a urine test and found nothing… why on earth didn’t they do a blood test?!
I was fuming. I’m upsetting myself again Embarrassed

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Reply #6 - Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 4:03pm

tallowood wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 3:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 3:37pm:

How the hell can anyone stop themselves from being poisoned?
You buy a drink and you never know if someone has added metho to it.
You could just only drink cups of tea.

There are a number of ways to test for methanol in alcohol, including:

Iodoform reaction
A chemical test that involves adding iodine and sodium hydroxide solutions to ethanol and methanol, then observing the test tubes after two minutes
Gas chromatography
A rapid and accurate method that can analyze samples with color or complex components
Handheld detector
A device that can detect small amounts of methanol in beverages and display the results on a smartphone
Flame test
Methanol gives off a light white flame when burned, while ethanol gives off a bright blue flame

Nothing is wrong with a cup of tea either.

Are any test kits available to consumers?

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Reply #7 - Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 4:12pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 4:03pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 3:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 3:37pm:

How the hell can anyone stop themselves from being poisoned?
You buy a drink and you never know if someone has added metho to it.
You could just only drink cups of tea.

There are a number of ways to test for methanol in alcohol, including:

Iodoform reaction
A chemical test that involves adding iodine and sodium hydroxide solutions to ethanol and methanol, then observing the test tubes after two minutes
Gas chromatography
A rapid and accurate method that can analyze samples with color or complex components
Handheld detector
A device that can detect small amounts of methanol in beverages and display the results on a smartphone
Flame test
Methanol gives off a light white flame when burned, while ethanol gives off a bright blue flame
Nothing is wrong with a cup of tea either.

Are any test kits available to consumers?

Digital Hand-held Pocket Refractometer (Methyl Alcohol) - IC-PAL-36S

It is pricy for near $600, there are cheaper Chinese devices too but I would not trust the quality.

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Re: More deaths with methanol poisoned drinks…
Reply #8 - Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 4:28pm

tallowood wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 4:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 4:03pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 3:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 3:37pm:

How the hell can anyone stop themselves from being poisoned?
You buy a drink and you never know if someone has added metho to it.
You could just only drink cups of tea.

There are a number of ways to test for methanol in alcohol, including:

Iodoform reaction
A chemical test that involves adding iodine and sodium hydroxide solutions to ethanol and methanol, then observing the test tubes after two minutes
Gas chromatography
A rapid and accurate method that can analyze samples with color or complex components
Handheld detector
A device that can detect small amounts of methanol in beverages and display the results on a smartphone
Flame test
Methanol gives off a light white flame when burned, while ethanol gives off a bright blue flame
Nothing is wrong with a cup of tea either.

Are any test kits available to consumers?

Digital Hand-held Pocket Refractometer (Methyl Alcohol) - IC-PAL-36S

It is pricy for near $600, there are cheaper Chinese devices too but I would not trust the quality.

Your average drunk on a holiday in Laos is not going to have one of those. Roll Eyes

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Sophia Gold Member Offline Posts: 8477	Re: More deaths with methanol poisoned drinks… Reply #9 - Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 8:10pm Tonight the second Aussie girl died. Now I see everywhere advice saying don’t drink spirits. This is the crap they put in drinks. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-19/methanol-poisoning-laos-thailand-alcohol-...
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104959 Melbourne Gender:	Re: More deaths with methanol poisoned drinks… Reply #10 - Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 10:13pm Sophia wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 8:10pm: Tonight the second Aussie girl died. Now I see everywhere advice saying don’t drink spirits. This is the crap they put in drinks. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-19/methanol-poisoning-laos-thailand-alcohol-... yeah - so you can get it from home brew.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 46926 Gender:	Re: More deaths with methanol poisoned drinks… Reply #11 - Nov 24^th, 2024 at 8:56am Only if you distil. Distilling concentrates the alcohols, up to 99% in a home still.
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Re: More deaths with methanol poisoned drinks…
Reply #12 - Nov 24^th, 2024 at 10:22am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 3:37pm:

How the hell can anyone stop themselves from being poisoned?

You buy a drink and you never know if someone has added metho to it.

You could just only drink cups of tea.

yes, it is not mandatory to drink spirits or even alcohol.

In the distillation process methanol and ethanol are both extracted. Only at slightly different temperatures.
Methanol kills, ethanol is what makes people drunk (it's still a poison) .
it takes just a small mistake to capture and bottle the methanol instead of the ethanol.

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Reply #13 - Nov 24^th, 2024 at 10:57am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 4:28pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 4:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 4:03pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 3:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 3:37pm:

How the hell can anyone stop themselves from being poisoned?
You buy a drink and you never know if someone has added metho to it.
You could just only drink cups of tea.

There are a number of ways to test for methanol in alcohol, including:

Iodoform reaction
A chemical test that involves adding iodine and sodium hydroxide solutions to ethanol and methanol, then observing the test tubes after two minutes
Gas chromatography
A rapid and accurate method that can analyze samples with color or complex components
Handheld detector
A device that can detect small amounts of methanol in beverages and display the results on a smartphone
Flame test
Methanol gives off a light white flame when burned, while ethanol gives off a bright blue flame
Nothing is wrong with a cup of tea either.

Are any test kits available to consumers?

Digital Hand-held Pocket Refractometer (Methyl Alcohol) - IC-PAL-36S

It is pricy for near $600, there are cheaper Chinese devices too but I would not trust the quality.

Your average drunk on a holiday in Laos is not going to have one of those. Roll Eyes

Monk would love a holiday in Laos then.

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Reply #14 - Nov 24^th, 2024 at 11:03am

tallowood wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 4:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 4:03pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 3:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2024 at 3:37pm:

How the hell can anyone stop themselves from being poisoned?
You buy a drink and you never know if someone has added metho to it.
You could just only drink cups of tea.

There are a number of ways to test for methanol in alcohol, including:

Iodoform reaction
A chemical test that involves adding iodine and sodium hydroxide solutions to ethanol and methanol, then observing the test tubes after two minutes
Gas chromatography
A rapid and accurate method that can analyze samples with color or complex components
Handheld detector
A device that can detect small amounts of methanol in beverages and display the results on a smartphone
Flame test
Methanol gives off a light white flame when burned, while ethanol gives off a bright blue flame
Nothing is wrong with a cup of tea either.

Are any test kits available to consumers?

Digital Hand-held Pocket Refractometer (Methyl Alcohol) - IC-PAL-36S

It is pricy for near $600, there are cheaper Chinese devices too but I would not trust the quality.

You wouldn't need a fancy meter which can give accurate levels, just test strips to show if methanol is present at a dangerous level.

Good commercial opportunity to make affordable strips that can detect both methanol and formaldehyde.

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