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Sir Niall Fergusson: Trump's mentor? Richard Nixon
Nov 25th, 2024 at 10:14pm
 
Sir Niall Fergusson (currently completing the second volume of Kissinger's biography) said this of the relationship with and similarities between Trump and Nixon.

'It seems to me far more plausible to compare Trump to the president he actually sought to cultivate [] Richard Nixon.'

"I think that you are one of this country's great men and that it was an honour to spend an evening with you" wrote Trump to Nixon after they'd dined together in June 1982.

'You can see why there's a sense of kinship with Nixon today'.

'Like Nixon, Trump has been an outsider all his career. Looked down on by the Harvard, Manhatten and Aspen types.

'Like Nixon. Trump's political ascent occurred despite a state of permanent war with the mainstream media, especially the New York Times and the Washington Post'

'Like Nixon, Trump's political adversaries were not content to challenge him at the ballot box. They had to impeach him, using the resources of the Justice Department even after his election defeat'

'The difference is that Watergate destroyed Nixon irrevocably'.

'Russiagate did not destroy Trump'.

'As Trump put it 3 years ago, "He left. I don't leave" '.

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Re: Sir Niall Fergusson: Trump's mentor? Richard Nixon
Reply #1 - Nov 25th, 2024 at 10:32pm
 
Nixon called Whitlam a peacenik.
Kissinger agreed: "hardly a heavy wight".
Both were right.



In any case, Ferguson (one s) is always worth hearing.
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Reply #2 - Nov 26th, 2024 at 7:34am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2024 at 10:32pm:
Nixon called Whitlam a peacenik.
Kissinger agreed: "hardly a heavy wight".
Both were right.

Whitlam was right about Vietnam, as the US was forced to accept.

For someone who was "hardly a heavyweight" (with an e !), Whitlam's legacy has survived his administration by 50 years, and his death, and never lived in fear of being indicted for war crimes as Kissinger did, and whose legacy will be tainted by that for all time.


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Re: Sir Niall Fergusson: Trump's mentor? Richard Nixon
Reply #3 - Nov 26th, 2024 at 7:43am
 
Like Nixon, Trump is consumed by the paranoia of not appearing to be a man's man, despite his obsession with the song 'YMCA' and Air Force One pilots! God forbid you'd ever see Nixon speaking or acting fruity.

Unlike Nixon, who was capable of feeling a deep sense of shame over his many failings resulting in his reprehensible acts, Trump is impervious to regret and remorse.

To be fair, Nixon was afflicted with a predisposition towards immense self-pity, something you won't find with Trump.

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Reply #4 - Nov 26th, 2024 at 8:43am
 
As Sir Niall Ferguson (one s !), in his comparing Trump with Nixon, warned that the Nixon Administration was contemplating how to deal to Australia for daring to have a public contrary opinion to the US as he believes Trump will do with Australia.

Luckily for Australia. Nixon's Administration was terminated and a more contrite Ford, then Carter, Administration followed.

Trump may shake us down even further to pay for US security guarantees - a Nixon policy with US allies...

As if hundreds of billions to be paid in advance for submarines that won't be handed to Australia for at least 20 years, if at all... isn't enough already.

He augmented his warning to Australia with a quip, after what Trump has been through over the last four years, comparing his second administration to his first, that "This time, there'll be no more Mr Nice Guy"!


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Reply #5 - Nov 26th, 2024 at 8:51am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 8:43am:
As Sir Niall Ferguson (one s !), in his comparing Trump with Nixon, warned that the Nixon Administration was contemplating how to deal to Australia for daring to have a public contrary opinion to the US as he believes Trump will do with Australia.

Luckily for Australia. Nixon's Administration was terminated and a more contrite Ford, then Carter, Administration followed.



And the Whitlam Administration was also terminated.
Important detail, that.


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Reply #6 - Nov 26th, 2024 at 8:57am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 8:43am:
Trump may shake us down even further to pay for US security guarantees - a Nixon policy with US allies...

As if hundreds of billions to be paid in advance for submarines that won't be handed to Australia for at least 20 years, if at all... isn't enough already.

He augmented his warning to Australia with a quip, after what Trump has been through over the last four years, comparing his second administration to his first, that "This time, there'll be no more Mr Nice Guy"!




Well, free-riding on the US may be over for Australia and Europe.
A GOOD thing.

To characterise that as a "shake down" is stupid.
Being stupid is a BAD thing.


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Reply #7 - Nov 26th, 2024 at 9:02am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 8:51am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 8:43am:
As Sir Niall Ferguson (one s !), in his comparing Trump with Nixon, warned that the Nixon Administration was contemplating how to deal to Australia for daring to have a public contrary opinion to the US as he believes Trump will do with Australia.

Luckily for Australia. Nixon's Administration was terminated and a more contrite Ford, then Carter, Administration followed.



And the Whitlam Administration was also terminated.
Important detail, that.



But not before Nixon's natural paranoia was prevented from being fully unleashed on the Australian people.

The question now is: will Australian administrations get down on all fours to our 'overlords', as is our culture's natural predisposition - a shiver looking for a spine to run up - and cough up more cash to a Trump Administration, if and when demanded of us, or will we grow a Whitlam pair?


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Reply #8 - Nov 26th, 2024 at 9:05am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 8:57am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 8:43am:
Trump may shake us down even further to pay for US security guarantees - a Nixon policy with US allies...

As if hundreds of billions to be paid in advance for submarines that won't be handed to Australia for at least 20 years, if at all... isn't enough already.

He augmented his warning to Australia with a quip, after what Trump has been through over the last four years, comparing his second administration to his first, that "This time, there'll be no more Mr Nice Guy"!




Well, free-riding on the US may be over for Australia and Europe.
A GOOD thing.

To characterise that as a "shake down" is stupid.
Being stupid is a BAD thing.



A 400+ billion dollar shakedown not enough, then?
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Reply #9 - Nov 26th, 2024 at 9:11am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 25th, 2024 at 10:14pm:
Sir Niall Fergusson (currently completing the second volume of Kissinger's biography) said this of the relationship with and similarities between Trump and Nixon.

'It seems to me far more plausible to compare Trump to the president he actually sought to cultivate [] Richard Nixon.'

"I think that you are one of this country's great men and that it was an honour to spend an evening with you" wrote Trump to Nixon after they'd dined together in June 1982.

'You can see why there's a sense of kinship with Nixon today'.

'Like Nixon, Trump has been an outsider all his career. Looked down on by the Harvard, Manhatten and Aspen types.

'Like Nixon. Trump's political ascent occurred despite a state of permanent war with the mainstream media, especially the New York Times and the Washington Post'

'Like Nixon, Trump's political adversaries were not content to challenge him at the ballot box. They had to impeach him, using the resources of the Justice Department even after his election defeat'

'The difference is that Watergate destroyed Nixon irrevocably'.

'Russiagate did not destroy Trump'.

'As Trump put it 3 years ago, "He left. I don't leave" '.

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Ferguson’s analysis was particularly striking because it systematically dismantled a narrative that has gained considerable traction in some western policy circles. Indeed, last year’s Consilium conference featured one of that other narrative’s leading proponents, John Mearsheimer. The University of Chicago political scientist argues that Nato expansion provoked Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.


Mearsheimer’s thesis, which aligns eerily with the Kremlin’s own propaganda, has found receptive audiences among those seeking to rationalise western disengagement. Yet as Ferguson demonstrated, it was not Nato enlargement that led to war in 2022 – that is just Putin’s line. Instead, as Ferguson made clear, it was the ongoing appeasement of Russia that paved the way for Putin’s war against Ukraine.

As western support for Ukraine wavers, Ferguson sees parallels between Donald Trump and Richard Nixon that should alarm allies. Like Nixon, Trump sees allies as freeloaders who must pay their way. Like Nixon, he sees the limits of American power and the importance of negotiating with adversaries.

But there is a crucial difference. Watergate destroyed Nixon. Meanwhile, Trump survived impeachment twice. As Trump himself noted: “He left. I do not leave.”

A second Trump presidency would likely reassess relationships with allies seen as not pulling their weight. That means foremost Europe. But it could also include Australia and certainly New Zealand.

We now face what Ferguson terms a new axis – China, Russia, Iran and North Korea – actively supporting each other’s aggressive ambitions.

However, as Ferguson laid out, this is not a repeat of the Cold War, and that is mainly because modern technology has changed the game entirely.

The Cold War limited choices for the big powers: either nuclear Armageddon or proxy conflicts. In contrast, today’s confrontation is more complex. Cyber warfare, psychological operations and economic coercion blur the lines between war and peace.

China’s actions around Taiwan illustrate this perfectly. No shots have yet been fired, but China’s constant pressure through military exercises, cyber-attacks and economic threats make this a new form of war.

The west’s response to the new geopolitical threats hardly inspires confidence. Germany’s regular defence budget amounts to just 1.2 percent of GDP – comparable to Weimar-era defence spending levels when the Treaty of Versailles deliberately constrained German rearmament. Though Germany claims it will meet Nato’s 2 percent target this year, this is achieved only through a temporary special fund (Sondervermögen) and some creative accounting.
https://www.niallferguson.com/journalism

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Reply #10 - Nov 26th, 2024 at 9:24am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 9:11am:
A second Trump presidency would likely reassess relationships with allies seen as not pulling their weight. That means foremost Europe. But it could also include Australia and certainly New Zealand.

We now face what Ferguson terms a new axis – China, Russia, Iran and North Korea – actively supporting each other’s aggressive ambitions.

There is only one contender - China.

NK is in effect a vassal state of China.

Russia is a threat in name only - NATO could end its ambition to get out of bed in the morning - except for its appeasement by the West which could be seen as a green light for China over Taiwan.

Iran? Every Sunni state in the region would give its treasure to Israel to end Iran's capacity to fire a popgun and nevermind the US weighing in.

Australia not paying enough? How much is enough? $400 billion committed? Or will the Trump Administration see that and raise it to one trillion?

NZ? ... Please.

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Reply #11 - Nov 26th, 2024 at 9:43am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 9:24am:
Frank wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 9:11am:
A second Trump presidency would likely reassess relationships with allies seen as not pulling their weight. That means foremost Europe. But it could also include Australia and certainly New Zealand.

We now face what Ferguson terms a new axis – China, Russia, Iran and North Korea – actively supporting each other’s aggressive ambitions.

There is only one contender - China.

NK is in effect a vassal state of China.

Russia is a threat in name only - NATO could end its ambition to get out of bed in the morning - except for its appeasement by the West which could be seen as a green light for China over Taiwan.

Iran? Every Sunni state in the region would give its treasure to Israel to end Iran's capacity to fire a popgun and nevermind the US weighing in.

Australia not paying enough? How much is enough? $400 billion committed? Or will the Trump Administration see that and raise it to one trillion?

NZ? ... Please.



Why it’s dangerously misguided to ignore threat of new axis


As the new axis relentlessly adds to its combined nuclear arsenal, western leaders seem more concerned by more conventional policy questions than the prospect of World War III.

To Ferguson, this is a dangerous misreading of priorities. Authoritarian regimes study western responses carefully. They coordinate more than we might realise. They share technology, intelligence and strategic insights.

And so, according to Ferguson, Putin’s invasion was not prompted by Nato’s expansion. Quite on the contrary, it was encouraged because of Nato’s apparent weaknesses, for example the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan. Such signs of weakness convinced Russia that western resolve had crumbled. That same signal of weakness encouraged Hamas to attack Israel and likely shapes Chinese calculations about Taiwan.

When deterrence fails, war often follows. And so, the big question is whether the west still has the power and the will to create a credible threat against potential aggressors – and whether it can demonstrate this resolve early enough to the new axis.

https://www.niallferguson.com/journalism
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Reply #12 - Nov 26th, 2024 at 9:54am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 9:43am:
And so, according to Ferguson, Putin’s invasion was not prompted by Nato’s expansion. Quite on the contrary, it was encouraged because of Nato’s apparent weaknesses, for example the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan. Such signs of weakness convinced Russia that western resolve had crumbled. That same signal of weakness encouraged Hamas to attack Israel and likely shapes Chinese calculations about Taiwan.

The same miscalculation that emboldened Hitler to preemptively declare war on the US after Japan had done the same.

The US, with a military capacity equal to that of Portugal prior to WW2, ended just 6 years later with a military capacity larger than the entire world combined.

So, miscalculate away, Putin and Xi... Hopefully, you won't get to wander through the ashes of Beijing, Shanghai, Moscow and St Petersburg because 'history didn't warn you' such that you didn't see it coming.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve" - attributed to Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto after Pearl Harbour.
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Reply #13 - Nov 26th, 2024 at 10:15am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 9:54am:
Frank wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 9:43am:
And so, according to Ferguson, Putin’s invasion was not prompted by Nato’s expansion. Quite on the contrary, it was encouraged because of Nato’s apparent weaknesses, for example the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan. Such signs of weakness convinced Russia that western resolve had crumbled. That same signal of weakness encouraged Hamas to attack Israel and likely shapes Chinese calculations about Taiwan.

The same miscalculation that emboldened Hitler to preemptively declare war on the US after Japan had done the same.

The US, with a military capacity equal to that of Portugal prior to WW2, ended just 6 years later with a military capacity larger than the entire world combined.

So, miscalculate away, Putin and Xi... Hopefully, you won't get to wander through the ashes of Beijing, Shanghai, Moscow and St Petersburg because 'history didn't warn you' such that you didn't see it coming.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve" - attributed to Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto after Pearl Harbour.



There has been a huge demographic and cultural shift in the West - US, Europe, Australia - since 1945.

Self-belief and resolve have largely vanished. NATO deterred nobody. The only war won by NATO was against a European country, Serbia.  Everything else - Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan - ended in slinking off.

Even WWII would have been a probable compromise with Hitler and Japan without Russia.
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Reply #14 - Nov 26th, 2024 at 10:26am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 10:15am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 9:54am:
Frank wrote on Nov 26th, 2024 at 9:43am:
And so, according to Ferguson, Putin’s invasion was not prompted by Nato’s expansion. Quite on the contrary, it was encouraged because of Nato’s apparent weaknesses, for example the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan. Such signs of weakness convinced Russia that western resolve had crumbled. That same signal of weakness encouraged Hamas to attack Israel and likely shapes Chinese calculations about Taiwan.

The same miscalculation that emboldened Hitler to preemptively declare war on the US after Japan had done the same.

The US, with a military capacity equal to that of Portugal prior to WW2, ended just 6 years later with a military capacity larger than the entire world combined.

So, miscalculate away, Putin and Xi... Hopefully, you won't get to wander through the ashes of Beijing, Shanghai, Moscow and St Petersburg because 'history didn't warn you' such that you didn't see it coming.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve" - attributed to Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto after Pearl Harbour.



There has been a huge demographic and cultural shift in the West - US, Europe, Australia - since 1945.

Self-belief and resolve have largely vanished. NATO deterred nobody. The only war won by NATO was against a European country, Serbia.  Everything else - Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan - ended in slinking off.

Even WWII would have been a probable compromise with Hitler and Japan without Russia.

Do you think Europe and the West were filled with resolve in the 1930s?

Churchill was spat on as a warmonger during that period. All of Europe was baying for peace at all costs and the US wasn't touching it... Roosevelt was even toying with the ideals of National Socialism.

In 1940, Denmark capitulated almost without firing a shot.

Can you imagine Europe not striking killer blows if Russia attempted an invasion of the Baltics or Poland?

Even Denmark might be a bit miffed.
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