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Federal Court grants $144 million to Aboriginals
Nov 27th, 2024 at 12:37pm
 
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Reply #1 - Nov 27th, 2024 at 12:59pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 12:37pm:



Justice Murphy was also due to determine the amount lawyers would be paid for their legal costs associated with the class action.

In April this year, Shine Lawyers travelled to more than 200 communities across WA to register complainants before the registration deadline of June 30, 2024, which was later extended to the end of September.

The firm's legal costs totalled to just under $30 million.



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Reply #2 - Nov 27th, 2024 at 3:27pm
 
This will somehow make Crappler a victim like everything else...

Will be interested to see how he spins it, if entirely a waste of time.
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Reply #3 - Nov 27th, 2024 at 4:40pm
 
An average of nearly $750,000 per community. Yeah, that sounds about right. As long as they factor in the food, medicine, housing, and safety that would have not been part of the 'aboriginals' welfare net. $144 million should cover about 12,000 indigenous people.
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Reply #4 - Nov 27th, 2024 at 6:22pm
 
Good Lord - what on earth for?
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Reply #5 - Nov 27th, 2024 at 6:24pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 3:27pm:
This will somehow make Crappler a victim like everything else...

Will be interested to see how he spins it, if entirely a waste of time.


Well now - since you ask.... why is the taxpayer paying this money? 
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Reply #6 - Nov 27th, 2024 at 9:38pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 6:24pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 3:27pm:
This will somehow make Crappler a victim like everything else...

Will be interested to see how he spins it, if entirely a waste of time.


Well now - since you ask.... why is the taxpayer paying this money? 


It's evident if you read the story:

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"In the course of the proceeding, the court heard evidence from many Aboriginal people who were taken away from their families at the young age, placed into into an institution run by the state, or a church where they are then required to work for no pay or little pay," he said.

"Many of the children suffered inestimable grief and trauma by being forcibly removed from their families, and many were cruelly treated within institutions and discriminated against.

"Many suffered lifelong psychological scars as a result."

The judgement comes following a discriminatory government policy between 1936 and 1972.


Discriminatory government policy enabled this injustice, and it is only right that they bear the responsibility for compensating those affected.

This is the sort of atrocity that should never have occurred and certainly should never have required a class action lawsuit to force recognition as a stain on our history. This underscores the critical importance of Truth-Telling as a cornerstone of reconciliation efforts, ensuring that these wrongs are acknowledged and addressed openly and transparently.
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Re: Federal Court grants $144 million to Aboriginals
Reply #7 - Nov 27th, 2024 at 11:29pm
 
Weren't these things all settled years ago?  Why is a Federal court involved in what were state matters?  Isn't this a double payment?

Nothing to do with centralising power of government, is it?

These things are based on historical records - nothing to do with 'truth-telling'.

Now that we've got that out or your bile, boy - is this going to stop the woman beating and killing, the child abuse and neglect, and the absenteeism from school and all that?

Take your time.
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Reply #8 - Nov 27th, 2024 at 11:42pm
 
Taxpayers who didn't steal anything from the Aboriginals will now have to compensate the families who didn't have any wages stolen from them.

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Reply #9 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 11:08am
 
"In the course of the proceeding, the court heard evidence from many Aboriginal people who were taken away from their families at the young age, placed into into an institution run by the state, or a church where they are then required to work for no pay or little pay," he said.

"Many of the children suffered inestimable grief and trauma by being forcibly removed from their families, and many were cruelly treated within institutions and discriminated against.

"Many suffered lifelong psychological scars as a result."


Perhaps you could explain what all that has to do with wages withheld from employees?  Kids in institutions didn't 'work for no or little pay' - they did the menial work of cleaning and such as a teaching tool to show them how to respect the place they live in - a useful life tool in learning to live reasonably clean and well - they were paid in feed and lodging and training and education all for free. 

All that guff about 'stolen generation' has been already settled twice - and still goes on and on..... and on and on ....... and on and on.  Every generation thinks they are entitled to payout.   Time to put the cargo cult money to good use and raise and educate the kids so they don't have to be taken away and their children don't have to be taken away due to abuse and neglect.

Put all those funds into an education trust fund for the kids so there is a better future ahead - and not just a big party in the dust until return to living in the dust.

These judges have to start looking at what the ISSUE is in front of them rather than living in some fantasy land of perpetual victimhood of Aborigines, and working out that since one thing far away related to some Aborigine - it must therefore apply to all and that it must be 'generational' and the cause of their problems, and that somehow all 'issues' relate to the one before the court in some symphonious way ....

... and yet the same people who pursue this line of non-reasoning refuse to accept that such things as violence etc are 'part of the culture' and proven by real figures ... are ready to instantly say that one Aborigine's withheld wages causes grief for all and all whartey is responsible - but not that one Aborigine's murder of the missus affects all and all blackie is responsible.....

Getchu heads outchu asses, inmates!!

They can't remain victims of a culture they reject forever.... either they get with the program .............. (distant thunder) ..... AS SO VERY MANY OF THOSE REMOVED FROM DANGER HAVE AND HAVE THUS PROSPERED ... or they continue to live the way they choose and go nowhere.

I'll put my claims in for 'generational disadvantage and trauma' against the lairds in Scotland for the Highland Clearances, the English in Ireland ... and Germany for the Jewish connection, and Denmark and Sweden and so forth... then my children can claim 'generational trauma'... and my grand-children...
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Reply #10 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 12:04pm
 
There are numerous programs and schemes aimed at redressing similar issues involving white children who were removed from their families and subjected to unpaid labour. Are these schemes equally objectionable in your view? Consider the following:

- Tasmanian Redress Scheme (2003): Tasmania was the first state to introduce a compensation scheme for those who suffered abuse or mistreatment in state care, including unpaid labour.

- National Redress Scheme (2018): Established in response to the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse, this scheme offers financial compensation, counselling, and formal apologies to survivors of institutional abuse, including forced labour.

- Redress for Forgotten Australians: Referring to the estimated 500,000 predominantly white children placed in institutional or out-of-home care during the 20th century, many endured forced labour, abuse, and neglect. While no national scheme exists, states such as Queensland (Redress Scheme, 2007), Victoria, and South Australia implemented compensation programs.

- National Apology (2009): The Australian government formally apologised to Forgotten Australians, acknowledging the harm caused by forced labour, abuse, and neglect in care institutions.

Shouldn’t these redress efforts, addressing comparable injustices, provoke the same level of outrage from you as well?
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Reply #11 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 12:24pm
 
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The landmark judgement means money will be split between 8,750 claimants.


By my calcs that is $16,000 each. Doesn't seem like much for 5 decades of stolen wages. $330 per year.
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Reply #12 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 1:51pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 9:38pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 6:24pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 3:27pm:
This will somehow make Crappler a victim like everything else...

Will be interested to see how he spins it, if entirely a waste of time.


Well now - since you ask.... why is the taxpayer paying this money? 


It's evident if you read the story:

Quote:
"In the course of the proceeding, the court heard evidence from many Aboriginal people who were taken away from their families at the young age, placed into into an institution run by the state, or a church where they are then required to work for no pay or little pay," he said.

"Many of the children suffered inestimable grief and trauma by being forcibly removed from their families, and many were cruelly treated within institutions and discriminated against.

"Many suffered lifelong psychological scars as a result."

The judgement comes following a discriminatory government policy between 1936 and 1972.


Discriminatory government policy enabled this injustice, and it is only right that they bear the responsibility for compensating those affected.

This is the sort of atrocity that should never have occurred and certainly should never have required a class action lawsuit to force recognition as a stain on our history. This underscores the critical importance of Truth-Telling as a cornerstone of reconciliation efforts, ensuring that these wrongs are acknowledged and addressed openly and transparently.



Since that time ... most of these people who signed up for the class action never had their wages "stolen".

This was 52 to 88 years ago. Those affected by Govts managing their wages - because they had no idea about managing money - have more than likely passed on.

The rest if living remotely & not ever working have been living off the taxpayer ever since ... with the provision of welfare and housing and amenities.

This is just another stupid decision by the High Court.

The Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander budget is close to $40 billion dollars a year.

Enough of this wasteful guilt ridden appeasing.

There is nothing truthful in this Truth Telling and there is nothing of a reconciliatory nature in it .... if anything it is divisive and widening the gap.
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Reply #13 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 1:53pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 6:24pm:
Well now - since you ask.... why is the taxpayer paying this money? 



Why do they pay your pension?  Roll Eyes
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Reply #14 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 1:54pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 12:04pm:
There are numerous programs and schemes aimed at redressing similar issues involving white children who were removed from their families and subjected to unpaid labour. Are these schemes equally objectionable in your view? Consider the following:

- Tasmanian Redress Scheme (2003): Tasmania was the first state to introduce a compensation scheme for those who suffered abuse or mistreatment in state care, including unpaid labour.

- National Redress Scheme (2018): Established in response to the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse, this scheme offers financial compensation, counselling, and formal apologies to survivors of institutional abuse, including forced labour.

- Redress for Forgotten Australians: Referring to the estimated 500,000 predominantly white children placed in institutional or out-of-home care during the 20th century, many endured forced labour, abuse, and neglect. While no national scheme exists, states such as Queensland (Redress Scheme, 2007), Victoria, and South Australia implemented compensation programs.

- National Apology (2009): The Australian government formally apologised to Forgotten Australians, acknowledging the harm caused by forced labour, abuse, and neglect in care institutions.

Shouldn’t these redress efforts, addressing comparable injustices, provoke the same level of outrage from you as well?


No - because they were for every Australian treated that way ...... not just Aboriginals.

As is the case with Rudds apology, The Stolen Generations ..... and the further chasing of reparations based on race.
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