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Reply #15 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 1:55pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 1:53pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 6:24pm:
Well now - since you ask.... why is the taxpayer paying this money? 



Why do they pay your pension?  Roll Eyes


Because he earned it?
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Reply #16 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 2:44pm
 
Gnads wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 1:55pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 1:53pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 6:24pm:
Well now - since you ask.... why is the taxpayer paying this money? 



Why do they pay your pension?  Roll Eyes


Because he earned it?


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Reply #17 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 3:00pm
 
Gnads wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 1:54pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 12:04pm:
There are numerous programs and schemes aimed at redressing similar issues involving white children who were removed from their families and subjected to unpaid labour. Are these schemes equally objectionable in your view? Consider the following:

- Tasmanian Redress Scheme (2003): Tasmania was the first state to introduce a compensation scheme for those who suffered abuse or mistreatment in state care, including unpaid labour.

- National Redress Scheme (2018): Established in response to the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse, this scheme offers financial compensation, counselling, and formal apologies to survivors of institutional abuse, including forced labour.

- Redress for Forgotten Australians: Referring to the estimated 500,000 predominantly white children placed in institutional or out-of-home care during the 20th century, many endured forced labour, abuse, and neglect. While no national scheme exists, states such as Queensland (Redress Scheme, 2007), Victoria, and South Australia implemented compensation programs.

- National Apology (2009): The Australian government formally apologised to Forgotten Australians, acknowledging the harm caused by forced labour, abuse, and neglect in care institutions.

Shouldn’t these redress efforts, addressing comparable injustices, provoke the same level of outrage from you as well?


No - because they were for every Australian treated that way ...... not just Aboriginals.


Same with this ruling, it just happened to only be Indigenous children that were subjected to this treatment in this instance.

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As is the case with Rudds apology, The Stolen Generations ..... and the further chasing of reparations based on race.


It appears you've already made up your mind, dismissing the details entirely, simply because Indigenous people happen to be the beneficiaries in this instance. Your bias is glaring begs the question, what is fuelling it..?
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Re: Federal Court grants $144 million to Aboriginals
Reply #18 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 3:19pm
 
What would Blair Cottrell say?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ChuDnICOdgI9
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Reply #19 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 3:41pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 3:19pm:
What would Blair Cottrell say?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ChuDnICOdgI9


Of the United Patriots Front?

It’s irrelevant what that criminal might say.  His far-right extremist views are indistinguishable from those espoused by many individuals here. They’ve already shared their beliefs openly, so we are fully aware of the stance he would take.
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Re: Federal Court grants $144 million to Aboriginals
Reply #20 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 3:43pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 3:41pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 3:19pm:
What would Blair Cottrell say?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ChuDnICOdgI9


Of the United Patriots Front?

It’s irrelevant what that criminal might say.  His far-right extremist views are indistinguishable from those espoused by many individuals here. They’ve already shared their beliefs openly, so we are fully aware of the stance he would take.



Transcript.

Blair Cottrell

Such as when is it gunna be enough?
how much money do these people need?
how much blood do these people need?
how much sacrifice on our behalf is gunna be enough for them
for them to finally feel like they're satisfied? -
and the answer is it will never be enough
it's never gunna be enough -
if you support this Voice referendum thing -
that's not gunna be enough -
there's gunna be something after that
and then there's gunna be something after that -
as Joel explained they're gunna be pushing
and pushing and pushing as much as possible
so you have to say no from the beginning - yeah -
you have to say no to everything these people ask for
and everything they demand -
they have no right to demand anything.
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Re: Federal Court grants $144 million to Aboriginals
Reply #21 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 5:28pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 6:22pm:
Good Lord - what on earth for?


There were landholders who did not pay aboriginal stockmen the right wages, considering how good they were at their jobs. There are still stockmen and families of stockmen who are realistically entitled to getting their money owed. I see no problem with this.

Whilst I understand that the landholders were taking some of the wages and putting them towards funding food, clothing, shelter, and other assorted work and lifestyle benefits, the aboriginal stockmen were still getting paid anywhere between 60 to 75% of their full entitlements -- if I remember the article about this. So, the landholders were making a profit off the aboriginal stockmen's labour.

If I worked 9 in the morning until 6pm at night for 5 or 6 days straight every week, I would probably wonder about my work conditions treatment if I was only getting paid $15/hr instead of a reasonable $25/hr.
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Re: Federal Court grants $144 million to Aboriginals
Reply #22 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 5:56pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 2:44pm:
Gnads wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 1:55pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 1:53pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 6:24pm:
Well now - since you ask.... why is the taxpayer paying this money? 



Why do they pay your pension?  Roll Eyes


Because he earned it?


how would you know Cheesy


How do you?
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Reply #23 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 6:01pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 3:00pm:
Gnads wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 1:54pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 12:04pm:
There are numerous programs and schemes aimed at redressing similar issues involving white children who were removed from their families and subjected to unpaid labour. Are these schemes equally objectionable in your view? Consider the following:

- Tasmanian Redress Scheme (2003): Tasmania was the first state to introduce a compensation scheme for those who suffered abuse or mistreatment in state care, including unpaid labour.

- National Redress Scheme (2018): Established in response to the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse, this scheme offers financial compensation, counselling, and formal apologies to survivors of institutional abuse, including forced labour.

- Redress for Forgotten Australians: Referring to the estimated 500,000 predominantly white children placed in institutional or out-of-home care during the 20th century, many endured forced labour, abuse, and neglect. While no national scheme exists, states such as Queensland (Redress Scheme, 2007), Victoria, and South Australia implemented compensation programs.

- National Apology (2009): The Australian government formally apologised to Forgotten Australians, acknowledging the harm caused by forced labour, abuse, and neglect in care institutions.

Shouldn’t these redress efforts, addressing comparable injustices, provoke the same level of outrage from you as well?


No - because they were for every Australian treated that way ...... not just Aboriginals.


Same with this ruling, it just happened to only be Indigenous children that were subjected to this treatment in this instance.

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As is the case with Rudds apology, The Stolen Generations ..... and the further chasing of reparations based on race.


It appears you've already made up your mind, dismissing the details entirely, simply because Indigenous people happen to be the beneficiaries in this instance. Your bias is glaring begs the question, what is fuelling it..?


Bullshyte.

And what you're saying makes no sense because all children treated this way had already been covered.

And in most cases they were removed for their own safety & because of neglect .... it's still happening today to children of all racial backgrounds not just Aboriginals you dickhead.

Why do separations have to be made based on race?

Well one race. Roll Eyes
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Reply #24 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 6:13pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 5:28pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 6:22pm:
Good Lord - what on earth for?


There were landholders who did not pay aboriginal stockmen the right wages, considering how good they were at their jobs. There are still stockmen and families of stockmen who are realistically entitled to getting their money owed. I see no problem with this.

Whilst I understand that the landholders were taking some of the wages and putting them towards funding food, clothing, shelter, and other assorted work and lifestyle benefits, the aboriginal stockmen were still getting paid anywhere between 60 to 75% of their full entitlements -- if I remember the article about this. So, the landholders were making a profit off the aboriginal stockmen's labour.

If I worked 9 in the morning until 6pm at night for 5 or 6 days straight every week, I would probably wonder about my work conditions treatment if I was only getting paid $15/hr instead of a reasonable $25/hr.



You're absolutely clueless.

What were the right wages????

The Aboriginal Stockmen and their families were housed, fed as well as received a wage.

There would be flat out being any who had their monies managed for them that would be alive today.

They have existed on taxpayer welfare ever since.

Why should their descendants or communities be paid for work they never performed?

Jackaroos and Jillaroos today are paid a wage as well as being supplied with free board and keep.(food/meals) - their wages are commensurate with the board and keep component.

And btw there are still employers today who do not pay the right wages..... and get away with it.

re: the last highlight - profit? bollocks.

They had a job & housing & keep ..... more than they do today.

The tax payer keeps them now for nothing.

After all those years - I think any debt has been paid many times over.
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Reply #25 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 8:17pm
 
It was very common for folk of all kinds on farms and stations to be paid less while being provided with accommodation and food etc.... of course, once industrial relations here entered the later 20th Century - that ceased, and wages had to be paid..

There are still employers who negotiate wages and rates down, many recent immigrants are lured into that.  I pay you for job - not for hour.... and then they get caught.....
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Reply #26 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 9:07pm
 
Gnads wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 6:13pm:
You're absolutely clueless.

What were the right wages????

The Aboriginal Stockmen and their families were housed, fed as well as received a wage.

There would be flat out being any who had their monies managed for them that would be alive today.

They have existed on taxpayer welfare ever since.

Why should their descendants or communities be paid for work they never performed?

Jackaroos and Jillaroos today are paid a wage as well as being supplied with free board and keep.(food/meals) - their wages are commensurate with the board and keep component.

And btw there are still employers today who do not pay the right wages..... and get away with it.

re: the last highlight - profit? bollocks.

They had a job & housing & keep ..... more than they do today.

The tax payer keeps them now for nothing.

After all those years - I think any debt has been paid many times over.


If you have to ask that sort of question about what are the right wages, that undoes your first sentence about me being the "clueless" one.

I also had this idea that stockmen should not complain about not getting all of their wages because some of it went towards food, housing, clothing, medicine, etc. But, it took the viewing of a documentary about stockmen in the 1980s getting treated like rubbish because there was no way that they could fight back against their employers. If that is how they were treated in the 1980s, imagine how bad it was in the 1960s or the 1930s/1940s when their indigenous grandparents had to go through worse ordeals.

Admittedly, I watched that documentary in high school history class. Nearly 30 years ago, to be honest. And having done my own research on the topic (even if it is a few articles in the publc library and the journal articles I have viewd online). I am convinced enough that indigenous Australians did not get paid the proper wages, regardless of whether they were fed, housed, etc. I would bet that the indigenous stockmen probably got new clothes and boots during Christmas; had to go hunt for some of their meals; lived in shacks not worthy of being called a shed; and were probably medicated during times when they broke their legs. Otherwise, sure, they were paid enough money to buy some rare items brought in from the towns or cities.

You have every right to say that most modern indigenous Australians have little right to complain about their lot in life. Again, another thing that I have barely researched over the years is the amount of privilege that indigenous Australians receive. I get probably $700-something a fortnight if I was unemployed. However, my underemployed status (until I get a second job soon) means that my meager income reduces the amount of welfare that I receive. Indigenous people don't have that kind of mutual obligation to fulfill. And I have to attend job network meetings, fill out job applications, be in training, or be doing a work for the dole. So, this "clueless" bloke is not so clueless.

We might only be talking 13 or 14 years ago. However, I was paid about $4/hr less than the standard minimum wage, just because we were still on some kind of antiquated award rate. The Fair Work Australia got a hold of the information and forced the business to pay us the right minimum wage. Given that my job was about as monotonous as flippin' burgers in a barely airconditioned environment, or as rewarding as gardening around the school ovals, a $4/hr increase in my payment was evidently welcome.

Happy to be done with that business. It folded when the head office could not give a damn about treating their workers correctly. Not clueless at all.
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Re: Federal Court grants $144 million to Aboriginals
Reply #27 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 9:23pm
 
Gnads wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 6:01pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 3:00pm:
Gnads wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 1:54pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 12:04pm:
There are numerous programs and schemes aimed at redressing similar issues involving white children who were removed from their families and subjected to unpaid labour. Are these schemes equally objectionable in your view? Consider the following:

- Tasmanian Redress Scheme (2003): Tasmania was the first state to introduce a compensation scheme for those who suffered abuse or mistreatment in state care, including unpaid labour.

- National Redress Scheme (2018): Established in response to the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse, this scheme offers financial compensation, counselling, and formal apologies to survivors of institutional abuse, including forced labour.

- Redress for Forgotten Australians: Referring to the estimated 500,000 predominantly white children placed in institutional or out-of-home care during the 20th century, many endured forced labour, abuse, and neglect. While no national scheme exists, states such as Queensland (Redress Scheme, 2007), Victoria, and South Australia implemented compensation programs.

- National Apology (2009): The Australian government formally apologised to Forgotten Australians, acknowledging the harm caused by forced labour, abuse, and neglect in care institutions.

Shouldn’t these redress efforts, addressing comparable injustices, provoke the same level of outrage from you as well?


No - because they were for every Australian treated that way ...... not just Aboriginals.


Same with this ruling, it just happened to only be Indigenous children that were subjected to this treatment in this instance.

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As is the case with Rudds apology, The Stolen Generations ..... and the further chasing of reparations based on race.


It appears you've already made up your mind, dismissing the details entirely, simply because Indigenous people happen to be the beneficiaries in this instance. Your bias is glaring begs the question, what is fuelling it..?


Bullshyte.

And what you're saying makes no sense because all children treated this way had already been covered.


Clearly not all.

Seems like that truth-telling thing might have some merit after all huh?
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Reply #28 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 10:15pm
 
"No - because they were for every Australian treated that way ...... not just Aboriginals. "

So Aboriginals were included - so they want to double dip, dip early - dip often.
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Reply #29 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 10:17pm
 
"about stockmen in the 1980s getting treated like rubbish because there was no way that they could fight back against their employers. If that is how they were treated in the 1980s, imagine how bad it was in the 1960s or the 1930s/1940s when theirindigenous grandparents had to go through worse ordeals."

Did you note your leap there?
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