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Re: Self Defence,
Reply #165 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 10:02am

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 2:54am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 27^th, 2024 at 7:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 27^th, 2024 at 6:41pm:

Knew a guy who won a few martial arts national championships, he beat up 3 guys who broke into his home. Almost went to prison.

What should old people use against younger fitter stronger home invaders who may have trained in MMA?

Something like this would be effective little to no recoil be fairly quiet wouldn't need hearing protection.
The Aimpoint sight means he could acquire targets with speed and confidence.

Until the younger, fitter, stronger home invader throws an object at the armed resident and gives the elderly person a moment of confusing lasting long enough that the intruder can disarm the elderly person.

Then the intruder can go about robbing the elderly person without fear of being attacked any further. Perhaps the intruder uses the firearm in a hold up somewhere else.

Actual case, Strathfield, NSW. 1950s.
Old man at home alone as everyone else has gone to his wife’s funeral.
He was sick and unable to go.
Pair of crims who targeted houses where there was an announced funeral broke in and were confronted by the old bloke armed with the M96 Mauser pistol he’d taken off a German officer in WW I;
“You wouldn’t be game to use that, you stupid old bastard.”
BANG.
Robber falls screaming with a shattered femur, old bloke points the pistol at the other one, a teenager, and orders him to pick up the phone and ring the police or get shot.
Boy did as he was told and there was a happy ending all round for the good guys.

I’m 90+ and am confident that I can still defend myself and I don’t need a gun.

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Re: Self Defence,
Reply #166 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 10:30am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 10:02am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 2:54am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 27^th, 2024 at 7:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 27^th, 2024 at 6:41pm:

Knew a guy who won a few martial arts national championships, he beat up 3 guys who broke into his home. Almost went to prison.

What should old people use against younger fitter stronger home invaders who may have trained in MMA?

Something like this would be effective little to no recoil be fairly quiet wouldn't need hearing protection.
The Aimpoint sight means he could acquire targets with speed and confidence.

Until the younger, fitter, stronger home invader throws an object at the armed resident and gives the elderly person a moment of confusing lasting long enough that the intruder can disarm the elderly person.

Then the intruder can go about robbing the elderly person without fear of being attacked any further. Perhaps the intruder uses the firearm in a hold up somewhere else.

Actual case, Strathfield, NSW. 1950s.
Old man at home alone as everyone else has gone to his wife’s funeral.
He was sick and unable to go.
Pair of crims who targeted houses where there was an announced funeral broke in and were confronted by the old bloke armed with the M96 Mauser pistol he’d taken off a German officer in WW I;
“You wouldn’t be game to use that, you stupid old bastard.”
BANG.
Robber falls screaming with a shattered femur, old bloke points the pistol at the other one, a teenager, and orders him to pick up the phone and ring the police or get shot.
Boy did as he was told and there was a happy ending all round for the good guys.

I’m 90+ and am confident that I can still defend myself and I don’t need a gun.

Do you have a link to your bullshit story....Sounds like a load of crap as usual???

Huh

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Re: Self Defence,
Reply #167 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 10:32am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 10:02am:

Actual case, Strathfield, NSW. 1950s.

Old man at home alone as everyone else has gone to his wife’s funeral.
He was sick and unable to go.
Pair of crims who targeted houses where there was an announced funeral broke in and were confronted by the old bloke armed with the M96 Mauser pistol he’d taken off a German officer in WW I;
“You wouldn’t be game to use that, you stupid old bastard.”
BANG.
Robber falls screaming with a shattered femur, old bloke points the pistol at the other one, a teenager, and orders him to pick up the phone and ring the police or get shot.
Boy did as he was told and there was a happy ending all round for the good guys.

I’m 90+ and am confident that I can still defend myself and I don’t need a gun.

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Yadda wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 2:46pm:

p.s.
Personally, i believe that everyone over the age of say, 25 years old,
who has never had a drink driving,
or [illicit] drug use conviction,
or, a criminal conviction [in the last 20 years],
should be permitted to own, and keep a firearm in their own home, for the protection of themselves, and their property.

Which is just reflecting good Australian values. Wink

Google;

Every Man Should Have A Rifle, Henry Lawson

Keep firearms out of the hands of career criminals and out of the hands of all those who have shown themselves to have no respect for themselves, or for others.

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Every Man Should Have A Rifle

So I sit and write and ponder, while the house is deaf and dumb,
Seeing visions over yonder of the war I know must come.
In the corner – not a vision – but a sign for coming days
Stand a box of ammunition and a rifle in green baize.
And in this, the living present, let the word go through the land,
Every tradesman, clerk and peasant should have these two things at hand.

No – no ranting song is needed, and no meeting, flag or fuss –
In the future, still unheeded, shall the spirit come to us!
Without feathers, drum or riot on the day that is to be,
We shall march down, very quiet, to our stations by the sea.
While the bitter parties stifle every voice that warns of war,
Every man should own a rifle and have cartridges in store!

- Henry Lawson

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Re: Self Defence,
Reply #168 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 11:38am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 7:18pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 5:36pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 16^th, 2024 at 4:56pm:

Reference the young mother and her baby hospitalised after a home invasion by two youths [reportedly with 300 or so offences on their record and out on bail for the35 or 36th time] they were armed with at least an iron bar and beat the woman and the baby has a fractured skull with bleeding to the brain.

Had she had a gun then she and the child would be alright.

You are assuming she had the opportunity to become aware of the invasion well before the crims were actually threatening her with an iron bar, and that she had the time to locate the gun.

And most of us have never pulled a trigger before....wouldn't it be better if the government fixed the socio economic disadvantage which is a cause of all this crime, rather than all of us having to purchase a gun and learning how to use it?

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But the law, which could not possibly protect her would not let her have one.
The Northern Territory, her State, which is supposed to protect it’s citizens from criminal harm, did nothing.

That's true; as mentioned above, governments prefer to maintain the poverty industry, rather than eliminating it...and the revolving-door courts' routine continues.

You could also ask why the police were not nearby to protect her and her child, after all the NT Government is a party to the ludicrous statement in the NFA that a firearm must never be used for self defence, so the Government must have assumed the responsibility of protecting the public.

Certainly a gun gives its possessor an advantage in self defence.

But most citizens doen't possess guns, therefore the government has a responsibility to mininize 'revolving door' youth crime, while funding police as far as practicable (police can't be everywhere).

That leaves socio-economic disadvantage and its relation to youth crime, as an area for consideration.

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Anyone in the NT who is attacked by a crocodile must try to outrun it, even though they have a license and a rifle, to defend themselves would be a crime.

Well, if you happened to be carrying a gun, obviously you wouldn't be deterred by some regulation, in that situation..

But most people don't carry guns at all, because it's not an attractive proposition for most people.

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Re: Self Defence,
Reply #169 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 11:50am

Yadda wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 10:32am:

"So I sit and write and ponder, while the house is deaf and dumb,
Seeing visions over yonder of the war I know must come....."

The first world war? (Lawson died in 1922).

You are confusing the need for a nation to defend itself against an aggressor nation (in the absence of effective international law), with the need for local defence against your neighbours.

Two different circumstances requiring different fixes; everyone owning a gun for self-defence in our modern highly urbanized commities is anachronistic and dangerous to the community's security (see the latest killings in a US school).

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Re: Self Defence,
Reply #170 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 12:36pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 10:30am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 10:02am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 2:54am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 27^th, 2024 at 7:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 27^th, 2024 at 6:41pm:

Knew a guy who won a few martial arts national championships, he beat up 3 guys who broke into his home. Almost went to prison.

What should old people use against younger fitter stronger home invaders who may have trained in MMA?

Something like this would be effective little to no recoil be fairly quiet wouldn't need hearing protection.
The Aimpoint sight means he could acquire targets with speed and confidence.

Until the younger, fitter, stronger home invader throws an object at the armed resident and gives the elderly person a moment of confusing lasting long enough that the intruder can disarm the elderly person.

Then the intruder can go about robbing the elderly person without fear of being attacked any further. Perhaps the intruder uses the firearm in a hold up somewhere else.

Actual case, Strathfield, NSW. 1950s.
Old man at home alone as everyone else has gone to his wife’s funeral.
He was sick and unable to go.
Pair of crims who targeted houses where there was an announced funeral broke in and were confronted by the old bloke armed with the M96 Mauser pistol he’d taken off a German officer in WW I;
“You wouldn’t be game to use that, you stupid old bastard.”
BANG.
Robber falls screaming with a shattered femur, old bloke points the pistol at the other one, a teenager, and orders him to pick up the phone and ring the police or get shot.
Boy did as he was told and there was a happy ending all round for the good guys.

I’m 90+ and am confident that I can still defend myself and I don’t need a gun.

Do you have a link to your bullshit story....Sounds like a load of crap as usual???

Huh

I do have a link, the young Constable who took the call [at present he is in Armidale Hospital with some old age related problem] but I’ll see if I can’t find a link in the papers of the time.
Bye the way, the old chap was using the ammo he got with it in 1917 or so.

Kindly point out where anything that I’ve posted is crap?

You can’t?

Says something about you, does it not?

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2244 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: Self Defence, Reply #171 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 12:40pm A Government that denies the means of self defence to people that they can’t protect is composed of cowards. And their supporters should take a look at themselves.
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Re: Self Defence,
Reply #172 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 12:50pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 11:50am:

Yadda wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 10:32am:

"So I sit and write and ponder, while the house is deaf and dumb,
Seeing visions over yonder of the war I know must come....."

The first world war? (Lawson died in 1922).

You are confusing the need for a nation to defend itself against an aggressor nation (in the absence of effective international law), with the need for local defence against your neighbours.

Two different circumstances requiring different fixes; everyone owning a gun for self-defence in our modern highly urbanized commities is anachronistic and dangerous to the community's security (see the latest killings in a US school).

Written in 1907., so it refers to WW I and to the future.
http://www.ironbarkresources.com/henrylawson/EveryManShouldHaveARifle.html

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Re: Self Defence,
Reply #173 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:21pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 10:02am:

I’m 90+ and am confident that I can still defend myself and I don’t need a gun.

If you are 90 years old and using the internet to talk big about a guy that shot an intruder to the home of a recently widowed man, that would be a story in itself. However, I doubt that you can defend yourself without the help of others against a couple of teenagers.

I have disarmed a person that pulled a knife on me. But that was back when I was younger and fitter. The assailant was a skinny teen with a willingness to injure people out doing their shopping. Even today being 10kg heavier, 15 years older, and only able to bench press about 60% of my body weight, I would be able to disarm certain people.

However, certain people that can overpower me include people that have a good general fitness and fighting skills. I only know how to block certain attacks with an above-average skill. But, if someone got a punch through, it would faze me for about 5 seconds before I am able to regain enough focus to fight back.

At 90 years of age, I would probably lose every fight I get into. There are limits to what the human body can do.

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Re: Self Defence,
Reply #174 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 4:02pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 1:21pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 10:02am:

I’m 90+ and am confident that I can still defend myself and I don’t need a gun.

If you are 90 years old and using the internet to talk big about a guy that shot an intruder to the home of a recently widowed man, that would be a story in itself. However, I doubt that you can defend yourself without the help of others against a couple of teenagers.

I have disarmed a person that pulled a knife on me. But that was back when I was younger and fitter. The assailant was a skinny teen with a willingness to injure people out doing their shopping. Even today being 10kg heavier, 15 years older, and only able to bench press about 60% of my body weight, I would be able to disarm certain people.

However, certain people that can overpower me include people that have a good general fitness and fighting skills. I only know how to block certain attacks with an above-average skill. But, if someone got a punch through, it would faze me for about 5 seconds before I am able to regain enough focus to fight back.

At 90 years of age, I would probably lose every fight I get into. There are limits to what the human body can do.

Were you trained by the Australian Government to kill?
I know more ways to kill or instantly render an opponent helpless than I need, the only ones I need now, at my age, are the sneaky ones.
I also have my walking stick and the ability to use it, having done some years of fencing under the tutelage of a former olympian, the late and great Charles Stanmore.
My back could never endure a flèche but my wrist work is still very flexible .
The best target area on an attacker is defined as EMT which is eyes, mouth and throat, then the penis either with a thrust or a slash.

Do you know the damage, even death, which can be inflicted in, an instant, with the index finger?

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Re: Self Defence,
Reply #175 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 7:33pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 4:02pm:

Were you trained by the Australian Government to kill?

Uhh, yeah, I was. Perhaps I only have 6 months worth of drill instruction and other training (much of which I have forgotten). But, I do have enough military training to be advanced beginner skill.

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I know more ways to kill or instantly render an opponent helpless than I need, the only ones I need now, at my age, are the sneaky ones.
I also have my walking stick and the ability to use it, having done some years of fencing under the tutelage of a former olympian, the late and great Charles Stanmore.

Yup... and all I do to render a larger an opponent ineffective is to take their legs out from under them, or use enough force to lift them off the ground and perhaps render them unconscious, depending on whether I am the aggressor or not. I have also had the reputation of misleading police away from where they thought I was going to be.

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My back could never endure a flèche but my wrist work is still very flexible .
The best target area on an attacker is defined as EMT which is eyes, mouth and throat, then the penis either with a thrust or a slash.

I don't go near the penis for any reason. I just use enough force on certain areas of the body to ensure that the opponent is down and reconsiders fighting me. I would win most of the fights I was in as an adult. The only ones that I would lose were the ones where I had to take on multiple opponents, or those that had weapons.

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Do you know the damage, even death, which can be inflicted in, an instant, with the index finger?

Generally, if you press the buttons on a pay phone to call someone, you can cause them a lack of sleep. But, I suppose you mean the poking of someone's eye.

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Re: Self Defence,
Reply #176 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 9:18pm

‘’ Generally, if you press the buttons on a pay phone to call someone, you can cause them a lack of sleep. But, I suppose you mean the poking of someone's eye.’’

More than a poke; the eye is an extension of the brain, the index finger is generally long enough to reach the brain when thrust with force.
And if attacked the penis and scrotum are legitimate and very effective targets.

My lightest walking stick is made from a kevlar shaft golf club, incredibly strong and very light

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Reply #177 - Dec 17^th, 2024 at 9:40pm

Have you ever killed a snake with a pocket knife? I have. It reared up at me and gave me enough time to get my pocket knife out, open the knife and slash the snake's head off. The university wanted me to hand in my pocket knife. I kept it.

The driver and passenger that saw me do it, thought I was quite cool.

I dunno about this poking someone in the eye or touching some guy's penis. Seems kind of gay. A swift smack to the jaw or a clubbing to the neck should stop a fight in its tracks.

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Re: Self Defence,
Reply #178 - Dec 18^th, 2024 at 8:26am

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 9:40pm:

Have you ever killed a snake with a pocket knife? I have. It reared up at me and gave me enough time to get my pocket knife out, open the knife and slash the snake's head off. The university wanted me to hand in my pocket knife. I kept it.

The driver and passenger that saw me do it, thought I was quite cool.

I dunno about this poking someone in the eye or touching some guy's penis. Seems kind of gay. A swift smack to the jaw or a clubbing to the neck should stop a fight in its tracks.

I’d think it was cool, too.
Never got close enough to use a pocket knife, did slash a cobra in two with my sword once when it was about to have a go.
Never said anything about touching, a thrust or a slash with a stick is not a touch.
But in hand to hand defence it’s a good spot for a hold or a punch, I’m a bit beyond the punch to anywhere else but the extended fingers thrust to the larynx is still in the repertoire.

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Re: Self Defence,
Reply #179 - Dec 18^th, 2024 at 9:29am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 12:36pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 10:30am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 10:02am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2024 at 2:54am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 27^th, 2024 at 7:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 27^th, 2024 at 6:41pm:

Knew a guy who won a few martial arts national championships, he beat up 3 guys who broke into his home. Almost went to prison.

What should old people use against younger fitter stronger home invaders who may have trained in MMA?

Something like this would be effective little to no recoil be fairly quiet wouldn't need hearing protection.
The Aimpoint sight means he could acquire targets with speed and confidence.

Until the younger, fitter, stronger home invader throws an object at the armed resident and gives the elderly person a moment of confusing lasting long enough that the intruder can disarm the elderly person.

Then the intruder can go about robbing the elderly person without fear of being attacked any further. Perhaps the intruder uses the firearm in a hold up somewhere else.

Actual case, Strathfield, NSW. 1950s.
Old man at home alone as everyone else has gone to his wife’s funeral.
He was sick and unable to go.
Pair of crims who targeted houses where there was an announced funeral broke in and were confronted by the old bloke armed with the M96 Mauser pistol he’d taken off a German officer in WW I;
“You wouldn’t be game to use that, you stupid old bastard.”
BANG.
Robber falls screaming with a shattered femur, old bloke points the pistol at the other one, a teenager, and orders him to pick up the phone and ring the police or get shot.
Boy did as he was told and there was a happy ending all round for the good guys.

I’m 90+ and am confident that I can still defend myself and I don’t need a gun.

Do you have a link to your bullshit story....Sounds like a load of crap as usual???

Huh

I do have a link, the young Constable who took the call [at present he is in Armidale Hospital with some old age related problem] but I’ll see if I can’t find a link in the papers of the time.
Bye the way, the old chap was using the ammo he got with it in 1917 or so.

Kindly point out where anything that I’ve posted is crap?

You can’t?

Says something about you, does it not?

Post the link then....I call you out for your bullshit because you continue to bullshit....I know you will never support your crap mate....Says something about you, does it not???

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