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Reply #31 - Nov 30^th, 2024 at 3:06pm

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/debunking-the-guns-make-us-safer-myth/

The truth is that guns are not typically used for self-defense, nor are they effective in deterring mass shootings or criminal activity. In fact, guns are more likely to be used in violent crime, get stolen, result in a fatal accident, or be used to facilitate a criminal homicide than be used in a protective capacity.17 And those living with a gun in the home are twice as likely to die by homicide and three times as likely to die by suicide than those living in a gun-free household.18

This issue brief, written in partnership with GVPedia, debunks the most common myths about defensive gun use and makes an affirmative case for why stronger gun laws make us safer.

more here:

https://www.gvpedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/The-DGU-Lie-GVPedia.pdf

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Re: Self Defence,
Reply #32 - Nov 30^th, 2024 at 3:06pm

Yadda wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 7:49am:

baron,

I know that i am 'dreaming' but......

I want police [the upper hierarchy of police] in Australia to be like that individual.

Which individual ?

@Reply #23......

Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke.

David Clarke is right but there is a problem -

just having a firearm in your house makes you 20 times more likely
to be shot by your own firearm than to ever confront a burglar or home invasion. Undecided

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/07/guns-handguns-safety-homicide-ki...

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Re: Self Defence,
Reply #33 - Nov 30^th, 2024 at 3:28pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 30^th, 2024 at 3:06pm:

Yadda wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 7:49am:

baron,

I know that i am 'dreaming' but......

I want police [the upper hierarchy of police] in Australia to be like that individual.

Which individual ?

@Reply #23......

Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke.

David Clarke is right but there is a problem -

just having a firearm in your house makes you 20 times more likely
to be shot by your own firearm than to ever confront a burglar or home invasion. Undecided

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/07/guns-handguns-safety-homicide-ki...

Yadda- The police tell you to comply with criminals here be a good victim they will turn up after criminals have left to investigate the crime scene.

Bobby-
Stop reading the claptrap in the Guardian it's leftist bullshit.

I grew up with a father who had many guns in our home i have know numerous gun (more than 50) owners over decades i don't know or heard of any friends who were injuered by a gun in their own home.

I lost one friend to suicide with a gun he didn't have a license his pistol was illegally obtained and that model was not available to pistol license holders in Australia as barrel didn't meet minimum 120 mm length for semi auto pistol.
Autopsy report showed toxic blood levels of ICE in his system.

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Re: Self Defence,
Reply #34 - Nov 30^th, 2024 at 3:35pm

Dear Baron,
I think the United States just reached a critical point where so many people
had guns that you had to have one too to obtain a balance.
I hope it doesn't happen here.

I wouldn't want to live in a country where every crack dealer,
meth head, lunatic, criminal and Tom Dick and Harry and even Marla have a gun
so you need one too.

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Re: Self Defence,
Reply #36 - Nov 30^th, 2024 at 7:47pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 30^th, 2024 at 3:06pm:

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/debunking-the-guns-make-us-safer-myth/

The truth is that guns are not typically used for self-defense, nor are they effective in deterring mass shootings or criminal activity. In fact, guns are more likely to be used in violent crime, get stolen, result in a fatal accident, or be used to facilitate a criminal homicide than be used in a protective capacity.17 And those living with a gun in the home are twice as likely to die by homicide and three times as likely to die by suicide than those living in a gun-free household.18

This issue brief, written in partnership with GVPedia, debunks the most common myths about defensive gun use and makes an affirmative case for why stronger gun laws make us safer.

more here:

https://www.gvpedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/The-DGU-Lie-GVPedia.pdf

Funny that, I wonder why the 228,700 members of the Sporting Shooters Association [SSAA] didn’t have one firearm incident today when, possibly half of them were at a range or out hunting and not one incident last night when most of them would have been at home in a house that contained weapons, rifles, shotguns or pistols, and in a lot of cases all three.

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Reply #37 - Nov 30^th, 2024 at 7:55pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Nov 30^th, 2024 at 7:47pm:

Funny that, I wonder why the 228,700 members of the Sporting Shooters Association [SSAA] didn’t have one firearm incident today when, possibly half of them were at a range or out hunting and not one incident last night when most of them would have been at home in a house that contained weapons, rifles, shotguns or pistols, and in a lot of cases all three.

People in Australia with guns are more carefully chosen and monitored than in the USA -
where every crack dealer, meth head, lunatic, criminal
and Tom Dick and Harry and even Marla have a gun
so you need one too.

Wow -

Marla wrote on Nov 4^th, 2017 at 1:14pm:

I own three, actually.

Two Taurus and a Beretta.

Marla's hand guns:

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Re: Self Defence,
Reply #38 - Nov 30^th, 2024 at 10:24pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 30^th, 2024 at 2:40pm:

David Clarke is right but there is a problem -

just having a firearm in your house makes you 20 times more likely
to be shot by your own firearm than to ever confront a burglar or home invasion. Undecided

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/07/guns-handguns-safety-homicide-ki...

bobby,

You are correct.

Even just one life lost is too much !!

I feel so much better knowing that only criminals [in possession of illegal firearms] are likely to shoot themselves,
rather than people like yourself and me, bobby. /sarc off

But bobby........what about the death toll on our roads !!

1,266, in 2023
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_Australia_by_year

Even just one life lost is too much !!

We should demand that max speed 'governors' be fitted on all Australia vehicles,
and just 30 KPH.

That would prevent a lot of road deaths on Australian roads, i'll bet.

What do you think bobby ?

Coz, motor vehicles travelling up to 100 KMH on our roads,
must be just as dangerous to life, as firearms ?

Correct ?

bobby,

Re those dangerous firearms........what about the ADF ?

Because, the Australian community would be much safer, with less firearms issued to ADF staff !

/sarc off

..........and police officers bobby ! ......don't forget about all of those police officers,
in our cities and in our suburbs of Australia, and walking on our streets, in possession of Glock pistols on their hips.

That circumstance, has to be a danger to our communities, doesn't it ?

Tongue

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Re: Self Defence,
Reply #40 - Dec 1^st, 2024 at 9:36am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 30^th, 2024 at 7:55pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Nov 30^th, 2024 at 7:47pm:

Funny that, I wonder why the 228,700 members of the Sporting Shooters Association [SSAA] didn’t have one firearm incident today when, possibly half of them were at a range or out hunting and not one incident last night when most of them would have been at home in a house that contained weapons, rifles, shotguns or pistols, and in a lot of cases all three.

People in Australia with guns are more carefully chosen and monitored than in the USA -
where every crack dealer, meth head, lunatic, criminal
and Tom Dick and Harry and even Marla have a gun
so you need one too.

Wow -

Marla wrote on Nov 4^th, 2017 at 1:14pm:

I own three, actually.

Two Taurus and a Beretta.

Marla's hand guns:

[url]https://i0.wp.com/blog.cheaperthandirt.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04
/845B_02.jpg[/url]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/M9-pistolet.jpg

Have a read of this.
https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/02/01/a-month-of-crime-news-provides-evidence-i...

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Re: Self Defence,
Reply #41 - Dec 1^st, 2024 at 9:48am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 9:36am:

Have a read of this.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/02/01/a-month-of-crime-news-provides-evidence-i...

It's actually all about statistics.

While a gun can indeed protect you it's more likely
that you'll be shot with your own gun in your own house:

arguments,
heat of the moment situations,
drugs,
booze,
insanity,
suicides,
kids getting hold of them,
accidents.

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Re: Self Defence,
Reply #42 - Dec 1^st, 2024 at 1:15pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 9:48am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 9:36am:

Have a read of this.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/02/01/a-month-of-crime-news-provides-evidence-i...

It's actually all about statistics.

While a gun can indeed protect you it's more likely
that you'll be shot with your own gun in your own house:

arguments,
heat of the moment situations,
drugs,
booze,
insanity,
suicides,
kids getting hold of them,
accidents.

Then why, given the number of guns available, aren’t the US figures much higher?
As high at least as the countries that have strict gun laws but a higher murder rate.

Whilst on the subject of self defence, are Aboriginal Australians allowed to possess their cultural weapons for self defence as such weapons and defence are part of their heritage?

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Reply #43 - Dec 1^st, 2024 at 2:01pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 9:48am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 9:36am:

Have a read of this.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/02/01/a-month-of-crime-news-provides-evidence-i...

It's actually all about statistics.

While a gun can indeed protect you it's more likely
that you'll be shot with your own gun in your own house:

arguments,
heat of the moment situations,
drugs,
booze,
insanity,
suicides,
kids getting hold of them,
accidents.

bobby,

Yo must have been wearing your blinkers.

Race day, is it ?

Quote:

The Latest Crime News Provides Evidence in Favor of Armed Citizens

Amy Swearer | Peyton Smith
February 01, 2019

As lawmakers around the country moved to impose restrictions on the ability of law-abiding Americans to keep and bear arms, some of those same citizens spent the first month of 2019 proving that armed civilians play an important role in defending the inalienable rights to life, liberty, and property.

Gun ownership surveys routinely find that about 1 in 3 American adults personally own firearms,
meaning that tens of millions of law-abiding citizens regularly choose to exercise their Second Amendment rights.

Recent surveys indicate that 60 percent of these gun owners possess firearms primarily to protect themselves and others from crime.

......

https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/02/01/a-month-of-crime-news-provides-evidence-i...

[the whole article is just a click away.]

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Sir Eoin O Fada,

Thanks for that link.

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Re: Self Defence,
Reply #44 - Dec 1^st, 2024 at 2:19pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 1:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 9:48am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 9:36am:

Have a read of this.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/02/01/a-month-of-crime-news-provides-evidence-i...

It's actually all about statistics.

While a gun can indeed protect you it's more likely
that you'll be shot with your own gun in your own house:

arguments,
heat of the moment situations,
drugs,
booze,
insanity,
suicides,
kids getting hold of them,
accidents.

Then why, given the number of guns available, aren’t the US figures much higher?
As high at least as the countries that have strict gun laws but a higher murder rate.

Whilst on the subject of self defence, are Aboriginal Australians allowed to possess their cultural weapons for self defence as such weapons and defence are part of their heritage?

The figures are very high - about 40,000 gun deaths every year in the USA -
& countless more severe injuries.
It's like a war zone.

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