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Re: Sydney's blackouts and brownouts
Reply #15 - Nov 29^th, 2024 at 9:40am

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 9:27am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 9:12am:

Only the rich who have their own home,
solar panels and battery backup will have power available all the time.

Common people will go without.

Don't count on your solar panels yet Bobby if Dutton gets his way!!!

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Coalition’s nuclear plan to switch off solar for up to 3 million homes

New analysis from the Smart Energy Council shows the introduction of seven nuclear reactors to Australia will shut down solar panels in millions of households. Smart Energy Council Chief Executive John Grimes says the true extent of the impact of nuclear power on Australian solar families has been hidden until now.

https://smartenergy.org.au/coalitions-nuclear-plan-to-switch-off-solar-for-up-to...

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No room for nuclear power, unless the Coalition switches off your solar

The only way to make nuclear power work in Australia is to switch off cheap renewable energy. Stop exporting electricity from your rooftop solar system. Forget feed-in tarrifs. The system has to call on baseload nuclear power first, or the plan makes no sense whatsoever. And to make space for nuclear in 10-15 years, you’d have to somehow make coal financially viable now.

https://theconversation.com/no-room-for-nuclear-power-unless-the-coalition-switc...

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“Nuclear power can’t be switched off, meaning it keeps pushing power into the grid regardless of whether it is the most expensive form of energy, or it’s even needed,” he said.

“That is bad news for Australian solar homes.”

That's nonsense -
they just insert the control rods deeper and the nuclear reactor slows down
or even switches off.

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Re: Sydney's blackouts and brownouts
Reply #16 - Nov 29^th, 2024 at 9:49am

lee wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 3:40pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 11:34am:

Cost vs reliability. Private suppliers prefer cost cutting.

And nothing to do with excessive draw on the system? Wink

There is no excessive draw on the system all the time but when it happens there is need for reliable reserve for power generation back up, which is costly, therefore "Cost vs reliability" is consideration in play.

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Re: Sydney's blackouts and brownouts
Reply #17 - Nov 29^th, 2024 at 9:52am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 9:40am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 9:27am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 9:12am:

Only the rich who have their own home,
solar panels and battery backup will have power available all the time.

Common people will go without.

Don't count on your solar panels yet Bobby if Dutton gets his way!!!

Quote:

Coalition’s nuclear plan to switch off solar for up to 3 million homes

New analysis from the Smart Energy Council shows the introduction of seven nuclear reactors to Australia will shut down solar panels in millions of households. Smart Energy Council Chief Executive John Grimes says the true extent of the impact of nuclear power on Australian solar families has been hidden until now.

https://smartenergy.org.au/coalitions-nuclear-plan-to-switch-off-solar-for-up-to...

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No room for nuclear power, unless the Coalition switches off your solar

The only way to make nuclear power work in Australia is to switch off cheap renewable energy. Stop exporting electricity from your rooftop solar system. Forget feed-in tarrifs. The system has to call on baseload nuclear power first, or the plan makes no sense whatsoever. And to make space for nuclear in 10-15 years, you’d have to somehow make coal financially viable now.

https://theconversation.com/no-room-for-nuclear-power-unless-the-coalition-switc...

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“Nuclear power can’t be switched off, meaning it keeps pushing power into the grid regardless of whether it is the most expensive form of energy, or it’s even needed,” he said.

“That is bad news for Australian solar homes.”

That's nonsense -
they just insert the control rods deeper and the nuclear reactor slows down
or even switches off.

For a Nuclear power plant to be profitable it must run 24/7 which was stated in the articles I posted....Australian's will be paying for the most expensive power (Nuclear) whilst there is a heatwave and all the solar panels are turned off....Educate yourself Bobby and stop peddling bullshit!!!

Huh

https://iceds.anu.edu.au/news-events/news/coalition%E2%80%99s-nuclear-plan-does-...

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Re: Sydney's blackouts and brownouts
Reply #18 - Nov 29^th, 2024 at 10:06am

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 9:52am:

For a Nuclear power plant to be profitable it must run 24/7 which was stated in the articles I posted....Australian's will be paying for the most expensive power (Nuclear) whilst there is a heatwave and all the solar panels are turned off....Educate yourself Bobby and stop peddling bullshit!!!

Huh

https://iceds.anu.edu.au/news-events/news/coalition%E2%80%99s-nuclear-plan-does-...

It doesn't say that in the link you just posted.

Educate yourself Phil and stop peddling bullshit!!!

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Reply #19 - Nov 29^th, 2024 at 10:09am

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That's nonsense -
they just insert the control rods deeper and the nuclear reactor slows down
or even switches off.

The reaction time is not good enough for this method alone when there are sudden changes in grid load. You still need conventional power plant connected to the grid to smooth grid load irregularities.

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Re: Sydney's blackouts and brownouts
Reply #20 - Nov 29^th, 2024 at 10:14am

tallowood wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 10:09am:

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That's nonsense -
they just insert the control rods deeper and the nuclear reactor slows down
or even switches off.

The reaction time is not good enough for this method alone when there are sudden changes in grid load. You still need conventional power plant connected to the grid to smooth grid load irregularities.

Isn't there a giant one hour battery which does that?

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Reply #21 - Nov 29^th, 2024 at 10:16am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 10:06am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 9:52am:

For a Nuclear power plant to be profitable it must run 24/7 which was stated in the articles I posted....Australian's will be paying for the most expensive power (Nuclear) whilst there is a heatwave and all the solar panels are turned off....Educate yourself Bobby and stop peddling bullshit!!!

Huh

https://iceds.anu.edu.au/news-events/news/coalition%E2%80%99s-nuclear-plan-does-...

It doesn't say that in the link you just posted.

Educate yourself Phil and stop peddling bullshit!!!

It was in the link I highlighted in yellow you smacking dickhead....Here is the link again for the stupid like Bobby???

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No room for nuclear power, unless the Coalition switches off your solar

The only way to make nuclear power work in Australia is to switch off cheap renewable energy. Stop exporting electricity from your rooftop solar system. Forget feed-in tarrifs. The system has to call on baseload nuclear power first, or the plan makes no sense whatsoever. And to make space for nuclear in 10-15 years, you’d have to somehow make coal financially viable now.

https://theconversation.com/no-room-for-nuclear-power-unless-the-coalition-switc...

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Re: Sydney's blackouts and brownouts
Reply #22 - Nov 29^th, 2024 at 10:28am

Phil - it doesn't say why - it's a poor article.

You just push the nuclear control rods in during the day and take them out at night.
That's how nuclear power is controlled to vary with the load.
Also - that way - the reactor Uranium fuel rods will last twice as long
so it will be cheaper to run the nuclear reactors.

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Re: Sydney's blackouts and brownouts
Reply #23 - Nov 29^th, 2024 at 10:50am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 10:14am:

tallowood wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 10:09am:

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That's nonsense -
they just insert the control rods deeper and the nuclear reactor slows down
or even switches off.

The reaction time is not good enough for this method alone when there are sudden changes in grid load. You still need conventional power plant connected to the grid to smooth grid load irregularities.

Isn't there a giant one hour battery which does that?

Sun?

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Re: Sydney's blackouts and brownouts
Reply #24 - Nov 29^th, 2024 at 10:57am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 10:28am:

Phil - it doesn't say why - it's a poor article.

You just push the nuclear control rods in during the day and take them out at night.
That's how nuclear power is controlled to vary with the load.
Also - that way - the reactor Uranium fuel rods will last twice as long
so it will be cheaper to run the nuclear reactors.

The article states that Nuclear power would take priority over renewables to make Nuclear financially viable....Your opinion is bullshit Bobby....Although Nuclear can be alternated the Nuclear power plant must run at almost maximum capacity to make it economicly viable....The articles I have posted makes this quite clear to anyone not as stupisd as you Bobby....Can you provide any evidence Nuclear is cheaper than renewables Bobby???

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SA was the first state to see network demand fall below zero back in October 2021.

In the southwest of Western Australia the market operator is projecting network loads will become negative in coming years, something I predicted a decade ago.

As baseload generation is used less and less, it costs more and more per MWh and becomes less competitive and commercially viable. This is the main reason coal fired power stations are closing and baseload generation is becoming redundant.

SA is a predictor of the whole of Australia in coming years. If coal is not commercially viable into the future, then how can nuclear possibly be, when it is far more expensive?

Feel free to support your argument with verifiable facts and not your own stupid opinion!!!

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https://theconversation.com/no-room-for-nuclear-power-unless-the-coalition-switc...

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No room for nuclear power, unless the Coalition switches off your solar

The only way to make nuclear power work in Australia is to switch off cheap renewable energy. Stop exporting electricity from your rooftop solar system. Forget feed-in tarrifs. The system has to call on baseload nuclear power first, or the plan makes no sense whatsoever. And to make space for nuclear in 10-15 years, you’d have to somehow make coal financially viable now.

https://theconversation.com/no-room-for-nuclear-power-unless-the-coalition-switc...

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Re: Sydney's blackouts and brownouts
Reply #25 - Nov 29^th, 2024 at 12:53pm

tallowood wrote on Nov 29^th, 2024 at 9:49am:

lee wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 3:40pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 28^th, 2024 at 11:34am:

Cost vs reliability. Private suppliers prefer cost cutting.

And nothing to do with excessive draw on the system? Wink

There is no excessive draw on the system all the time but when it happens there is need for reliable reserve for power generation back up, which is costly, therefore "Cost vs reliability" is consideration in play.

Nowhere did I say there was excessive draw "all the time ". So the renewables can't handle it.

There has been 4.5GW of coal plant closure in NSW since 2012. There is about 13.5GW of renewables according to NSW Government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coal-fired_power_stations_in_Australia

"NSW now has approximately 13,500 megawatts (MW) of renewable energy generation capacity, which is around 53% of total generation capacity in our state. "

https://www.energy.nsw.gov.au/nsw-plans-and-progress/major-state-projects/shift-...

So renewables can't cut it at 3 times overbuild.

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