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Leroy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 563 Gender:	Re: Trump and tariffs Reply #105 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 2:27pm greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 2:21pm: Meh. You had your chance, and you blew it. Don't expect to ever be taken seriously in this forum ... sweetie. OH no I've blown my chance to have Greggs pecker take me serious. Don't you believe in second chances or even a pardon darling?.
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Reply #107 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 4:41pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 2:19pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 12:52pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 12:37pm:

Thanks, Leroy. Have you posted a link to these figures?

We'll have a little look-see.

Why do I need to, if you are going to comment then make your comment, don't rely on me to do your research for you. If you have no idea about the figures then don't comment.

yes, you need to, so we can sort out the discrepancy beween the facts re job creation in the Trump and Biden terms of office.

Greg has linked to a serious examination of the data, you have merely asserted an increase in manufacturing jobs in 2019, and that there are less manufacturing jobs in the US in 2024 than in 2019.

(I'm wondering if your 2nd assertion conflates both manufacturing and non-manufacturing jobs, which might explain the discrepancy in the "facts" as presented so far).

Makes no difference to me, if you don't know what the figures are then thats on you. I did my research and posted my observations, if you don't believe me then hooray for you.

I do know what the figures we are currently discussing are: we have two sets of figures - yours and gregs (in #84).

The latter set from a linked article showing an in-depth examination of the jobs data. cf, your own two-line assertion re job creation in 2019 and a comparison with total (manufacturing?) jobs in 2019 and 2024.

Note: ozpol is not an 'X' or Sky News echo-chamber.

Btw how about acknowledging your particular error which I pointed out to you, in my post #98 and which you decided to ignore?

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Reply #108 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 4:47pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 2:21pm:

Meh.

You had your chance, and you blew it.

Don't expect to ever be taken seriously in this forum ... sweetie.

OH no I've blown my chance to have Greggs pecker take me serious. Don't you believe in second chances or even a pardon darling?.

We call him curly.

How's it going over there curly ? - old darling. Grin

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Reply #109 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 4:48pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 4:41pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 2:19pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 12:52pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 12:37pm:

Thanks, Leroy. Have you posted a link to these figures?

We'll have a little look-see.

Why do I need to, if you are going to comment then make your comment, don't rely on me to do your research for you. If you have no idea about the figures then don't comment.

yes, you need to, so we can sort out the discrepancy beween the facts re job creation in the Trump and Biden terms of office.

Greg has linked to a serious examination of the data, you have merely asserted an increase in manufacturing jobs in 2019, and that there are less manufacturing jobs in the US in 2024 than in 2019.

(I'm wondering if your 2nd assertion conflates both manufacturing and non-manufacturing jobs, which might explain the discrepancy in the "facts" as presented so far).

Makes no difference to me, if you don't know what the figures are then thats on you. I did my research and posted my observations, if you don't believe me then hooray for you.

I do know what the figures we are currently discussing are: we have two sets of figures - yours and gregs (in #84).

The latter set from a linked article showing an in-depth examination of the jobs data. cf, your own two-line assertion re job creation in 2019 and a comparison with total (manufacturing?) jobs in 2019 and 2024.

Note: ozpol is not an 'X' or Sky News echo-chamber.

Btw how about acknowledging your particular error which I pointed out to you, in my post #98 and which you decided to ignore?

Don't you know how to look up manufacturing job numbers for each year?.

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Reply #110 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 4:50pm

Since Biden and Harris took office in January 2021, more than 775,000 manufacturing jobs have been added to the economy, not simply recovering from, but exceeding the manufacturing jobs lost during the COVID-19 pandemic.

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Since President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris took office in January 2021, more than 775,000 manufacturing jobs have been added to the economy. The growth is expected to continue, with the Biden-Harris Inflation Reduction Act, Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, and CHIPS and Science Act estimated to create 336,000 manufacturing jobs a year until 2035.

In contrast, more than 200,000 manufacturing jobs were lost during former President Donald Trump’s single term. Even before the COVID-19 pandemic manufacturing job growth had all but plateaued under the Trump administration.

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Reply #111 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 4:52pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 4:48pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 4:41pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 2:19pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 12:52pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 12:37pm:

Thanks, Leroy. Have you posted a link to these figures?

We'll have a little look-see.

Why do I need to, if you are going to comment then make your comment, don't rely on me to do your research for you. If you have no idea about the figures then don't comment.

yes, you need to, so we can sort out the discrepancy beween the facts re job creation in the Trump and Biden terms of office.

Greg has linked to a serious examination of the data, you have merely asserted an increase in manufacturing jobs in 2019, and that there are less manufacturing jobs in the US in 2024 than in 2019.

(I'm wondering if your 2nd assertion conflates both manufacturing and non-manufacturing jobs, which might explain the discrepancy in the "facts" as presented so far).

Makes no difference to me, if you don't know what the figures are then thats on you. I did my research and posted my observations, if you don't believe me then hooray for you.

I do know what the figures we are currently discussing are: we have two sets of figures - yours and gregs (in #84).

The latter set from a linked article showing an in-depth examination of the jobs data. cf, your own two-line assertion re job creation in 2019 and a comparison with total (manufacturing?) jobs in 2019 and 2024.

Note: ozpol is not an 'X' or Sky News echo-chamber.

Btw how about acknowledging your particular error which I pointed out to you, in my post #98 and which you decided to ignore?

Don't you know how to look up manufacturing job numbers for each year?.

We are dealing with TWO sets of numbers.

You refuse to link yours.

You lose the debate.

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Reply #112 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:02pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 4:52pm:

We are dealing with TWO sets of numbers.

You refuse to link yours.

You lose the debate.

Hey thats fine, if you just believe what someone tells you without doing a bit of research then you will probably win a lot of debates. I do my research so I know what the facts actually are and not what some random poster thinks. Its not my responsibility to inform you on what you are debating, if you don't know something then just research it before commenting on it. You could research it or you could just rely on another posters post.

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Reply #113 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:04pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 4:50pm:

Since Biden and Harris took office in January 2021, more than 775,000 manufacturing jobs have been added to the economy, not simply recovering from, but exceeding the manufacturing jobs lost during the COVID-19 pandemic.

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Since President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris took office in January 2021, more than 775,000 manufacturing jobs have been added to the economy. The growth is expected to continue, with the Biden-Harris Inflation Reduction Act, Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, and CHIPS and Science Act estimated to create 336,000 manufacturing jobs a year until 2035.

In contrast, more than 200,000 manufacturing jobs were lost during former President Donald Trump’s single term. Even before the COVID-19 pandemic manufacturing job growth had all but plateaued under the Trump administration.

Greggy is supporting crooked Joe Biden. Embarrassed

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74543 Gender:	Re: Trump and tariffs Reply #114 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:39pm Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 12:52pm: Why do I need to, if you are going to comment then make your comment, don't rely on me to do your research for you. If you have no idea about the figures then don't comment. What are you? 10 yrs old? You make a claim then it's up to you to prove it.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74543 Gender:	Re: Trump and tariffs Reply #115 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:40pm Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 4:48pm: Don't you know how to look up manufacturing job numbers for each year?. What he doesn't know is if YOU know how to look them up
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Leroy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 563 Gender:	Re: Trump and tariffs Reply #116 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:45pm John Smith wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:39pm: What are you? 10 yrs old? You make a claim then it's up to you to prove it. I don't give a poo what you think. If I was 10 yrs old I would down the back of the school surrounded by a bunch of bullies chanting "prove it prove it"
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74543 Gender:	Re: Trump and tariffs Reply #117 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:46pm Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:45pm: I don't give a poo what you think. You gave a poo enough to respond ya dumbarse.
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Leroy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 563 Gender:	Re: Trump and tariffs Reply #118 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:48pm John Smith wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:40pm: What he doesn't know is if YOU know how to look them up That is of no concern to me, however why the attention, have you some rules that I need to adhere to.
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Reply #119 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:50pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:02pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 4:52pm:

We are dealing with TWO sets of numbers.

You refuse to link yours.

You lose the debate.

Hey thats fine, if you just believe what someone tells you without doing a bit of research then you will probably win a lot of debates.

No, I'm reading the linked report from one set of experts, and waiting for your link to reveal the quality of your assertions...spot the difference?

And I have reason NOT to rely on your assertions: you couldn't even defend an error you made re the period affected by the pandemic (which included parts of both Trump and Biden's terms).

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I do my research so I know what the facts actually are and not what some random poster thinks.

Another gross error (your 2nd, regardless of the veracity of your unlinked assertions): the article to which Greg linked is not what "some random poster thinks", it's the research of serious researchers.

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Its not my responsibility to inform you on what you are debating,

Another clanger Sad

: we are debating Trump and tariffs, and Trump's job creation cf. Biden's term.

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if you don't know something then just research it before commenting on it. You could research it or you could just rely on another posters post.

Addressed above.

It's time for you to post your link to qualified researchers backing your assertions re the jobs data.

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