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Reply #120 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:53pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:40pm:

What he doesn't know is if YOU know how to look them up Cheesy

That is of no concern to me, however why the attention, have you some rules that I need to adhere to.

Rule? It's standard practice that when you make a claim, you support it with evidence. At least it is if you want to be taken seriously.

Your reluctance to provide any indicates that you most likely made it up.

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Reply #121 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 6:08pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:53pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:40pm:

What he doesn't know is if YOU know how to look them up Cheesy

That is of no concern to me, however why the attention, have you some rules that I need to adhere to.

Rule? It's standard practice that when you make a claim, you support it with evidence. At least it is if you want to be taken seriously.

Which is why nobody has ever taken you seriously, thicko as mince-o.

You blurt and then scuttle. You never provide any evidence, except for your sheer, unbridled stupidity.
Last 25 moronic posts of yours - not one had any supporting evidence. You just mouth off as the thicko git you are, then go all 'oh, oh, standard practice". What a pathetic little mutt you are.

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Reply #122 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 7:00pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:53pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:40pm:

What he doesn't know is if YOU know how to look them up Cheesy

That is of no concern to me, however why the attention, have you some rules that I need to adhere to.

Rule? It's standard practice that when you make a claim, you support it with evidence. At least it is if you want to be taken seriously.

Your reluctance to provide any indicates that you most likely made it up.

Settle John, don't take me serious, I promise I'll get over it.

I seriously don't care if you think I made it up.

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Reply #123 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 7:02pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:02pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 4:52pm:

We are dealing with TWO sets of numbers.

You refuse to link yours.

You lose the debate.

Hey thats fine, if you just believe what someone tells you without doing a bit of research then you will probably win a lot of debates.

No, I'm reading the linked report from one set of experts, and waiting for your link to reveal the quality of your assertions...spot the difference?

And I have reason NOT to rely on your assertions: you couldn't even defend an error you made re the period affected by the pandemic (which included parts of both Trump and Biden's terms).

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I do my research so I know what the facts actually are and not what some random poster thinks.

Another gross error (your 2nd, regardless of the veracity of your unlinked assertions): the article to which Greg linked is not what "some random poster thinks", it's the research of serious researchers.

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Its not my responsibility to inform you on what you are debating,

Another clanger Sad

: we are debating Trump and tariffs, and Trump's job creation cf. Biden's term.

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if you don't know something then just research it before commenting on it. You could research it or you could just rely on another posters post.

Addressed above.

It's time for you to post your link to qualified researchers backing your assertions re the jobs data.

I'm not trying to change your mind, you believe what you believe and I believe what I believe, you can even call me names and I won't mind.

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Reply #124 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 7:05pm

The non-partisan Peterson Institute for International Economics has estimated Trump’s new proposed tariffs would lower the incomes of Americans, with the impact ranging from around 4% for the poorest fifth to around 2% for the wealthiest fifth.

A typical household in the middle of the US income distribution, the think tank estimates, would lose around $1,700 each year.

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Dnarever Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 58509 Here Gender:	Re: Trump and tariffs Reply #125 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 7:35pm China cuts $690B in US imports. Soybeans and corn switched from USA to Brazil and Argentina. OH and they cut back on Australian imports as well.
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Reply #126 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 7:44pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 7:35pm:

China cuts $690B in US imports.

Soybeans and corn switched from USA to Brazil and Argentina.

OH and they cut back on Australian imports as well.

China do this all the time, Australian wine was dumped, beef is banned due to some test. China will squeeze you into the ground and if you become to reliant they completely gut you.

America need a trade war so they can see what they are in for. Better now then later when China have more leverage. Its too late for Australia, China has already attached all the strings.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 137557 Gender:	Re: Trump and tariffs Reply #127 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 8:01pm Most of the MAGA cultists' pick-up trucks and imported beers come from Mexico. This is gonna be fun
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Reply #128 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 8:22pm

Frank wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 6:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:53pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 5:40pm:

What he doesn't know is if YOU know how to look them up Cheesy

That is of no concern to me, however why the attention, have you some rules that I need to adhere to.

Rule? It's standard practice that when you make a claim, you support it with evidence. At least it is if you want to be taken seriously.

Which is why nobody has ever taken you seriously, thicko as mince-o.

You blurt and then scuttle. You never provide any evidence, except for your sheer, unbridled stupidity.
Last 25 moronic posts of yours - not one had any supporting evidence. You just mouth off as the thicko git you are, then go all 'oh, oh, standard practice". What a pathetic little mutt you are.

sometimes i think bwians yawns are better reading then a smith post Wink

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Reply #129 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:17pm

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 12:52pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 12:37pm:

Thanks, Leroy. Have you posted a link to these figures?

We'll have a little look-see.

Why do I need to, if you are going to comment then make your comment, don't rely on me to do your research for you. If you have no idea about the figures then don't comment.

No worries, then I'll comment.

There are over 100,000 more manufacturing jobs in the US today than there were in November 2019, pre-covid, when your DL was in power and manufacturing was in decline.

The October 2024 figure was nearly 12.9 million. The growth in manufacturing is a direct result of the CHIPS and Infrastructure Acts, initiated by Sleepy Joe's administration and voted into law by Congress. The figure is growing as plants producing semiconductors, electric vehicles, batteries, and clean energy are opening up and employing all over the country. Texas, Florida, Georgia, Arizona at Utah are in the lead.

Would you like a link, or are you happy to go with my comment?

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Reply #130 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 11:15pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 10:17pm:

Leroy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 12:52pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 12:37pm:

Thanks, Leroy. Have you posted a link to these figures?

We'll have a little look-see.

Why do I need to, if you are going to comment then make your comment, don't rely on me to do your research for you. If you have no idea about the figures then don't comment.

No worries, then I'll comment.

There are over 100,000 more manufacturing jobs in the US today than there were in November 2019, pre-covid, when your DL was in power and manufacturing was in decline.

The October 2024 figure was nearly 12.9 million. The growth in manufacturing is a direct result of the CHIPS and Infrastructure Acts, initiated by Sleepy Joe's administration and voted into law by Congress. The figure is growing as plants producing semiconductors, electric vehicles, batteries, and clean energy are opening up and employing all over the country. Texas, Florida, Georgia, Arizona at Utah are in the lead.

Would you like a link, or are you happy to go with my comment?

You don't need my approval, post what you like.

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Reply #131 - Dec 5^th, 2024 at 11:08am

If Trump’s tariffs start a trade war, it would be an economic disaster

There is general agreement in the economic research on the effects of Trump’s trade and tariff wars in his first term as president, in which he placed tariffs on about $380bn of US imports. The overall impact on living standards for US workers and most Americans is found to be negative, with the cost of the tariffs being absorbed by US consumers. Employment overall did not increase, and may have fallen due to the negative impact of retaliatory tariffs.

The economic research looking at the expected impacts of tariffs that Trump has talked about going forward also finds the impact on the US economy to be negative. And there is potential for much more damage if other countries respond with more retaliatory tariffs than they did in 2018-2020.

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Reply #132 - Dec 5^th, 2024 at 11:14am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5^th, 2024 at 11:08am:

If Trump’s tariffs start a trade war, it would be an economic disaster

There is general agreement in the economic research on the effects of Trump’s trade and tariff wars in his first term as president, in which he placed tariffs on about $380bn of US imports. The overall impact on living standards for US workers and most Americans is found to be negative, with the cost of the tariffs being absorbed by US consumers. Employment overall did not increase, and may have fallen due to the negative impact of retaliatory tariffs.

The economic research looking at the expected impacts of tariffs that Trump has talked about going forward also finds the impact on the US economy to be negative. And there is potential for much more damage if other countries respond with more retaliatory tariffs than they did in 2018-2020.

So why did Biden impose tariffs on China, then?

Please explain. Feel free to call a friend, like Prattleman.

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Reply #133 - Dec 5^th, 2024 at 11:20am

Frank wrote on Dec 5^th, 2024 at 11:14am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5^th, 2024 at 11:08am:

If Trump’s tariffs start a trade war, it would be an economic disaster

There is general agreement in the economic research on the effects of Trump’s trade and tariff wars in his first term as president, in which he placed tariffs on about $380bn of US imports. The overall impact on living standards for US workers and most Americans is found to be negative, with the cost of the tariffs being absorbed by US consumers. Employment overall did not increase, and may have fallen due to the negative impact of retaliatory tariffs.

The economic research looking at the expected impacts of tariffs that Trump has talked about going forward also finds the impact on the US economy to be negative. And there is potential for much more damage if other countries respond with more retaliatory tariffs than they did in 2018-2020.

So why did Biden impose tariffs on China, then?

Please explain. Feel free to call a friend, like Prattleman.

Tariffs aren't inherently bad, old boy.

Biden's tariffs were carefully targeted at strategic sectors. Good.

The rapist is proposing a blanket ban. Bad.

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Reply #134 - Dec 5^th, 2024 at 11:32am

This reminds me of a interview of Kamala Harris.

She said she was going to build the wall on Mexico border and the host asked her about her calling the wall stupid when Trump wanted to build it.

She wanted to build the wall but if Trump wanted to it was stupid.

Same again, tariffs are good unless Trump wants tariffs then they are stupid.

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