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Reply #196 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 8:21pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 8:16pm:
Good: "The Biden administration’s approach of coupling smart, strategic, targeted tariffs with actual investment in American industry is delivering enormous results."

Bad: "The previous administration (under the rapist and convicted criminal) tried a trade approach that relied only on tariffs and corporate tax cuts, and it failed to solve the big problems facing domestic production. It did not truly reorient global supply chains away from China, nor did it rebuild American industrial might."



A lie, creepy turd. You are lying and the people you are quoting without revealing who they are, are lying.
Skin-crawling, repulsive liar you are.

Even brain dead ****wit Bbwian yawned at your post, stinking creep.

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Reply #197 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 8:26pm
 

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-biden-administrations-targeted-stra...

Good: "The Biden administration’s approach of coupling smart, strategic, targeted tariffs with actual investment in American industry is delivering enormous results."

Bad: "The previous administration (under the rapist and convicted criminal) tried a trade approach that relied only on tariffs and corporate tax cuts, and it failed to solve the big problems facing domestic production. It did not truly reorient global supply chains away from China, nor did it rebuild American industrial might."


Why do you like rapists so much, Frank?

Are you a rapist?

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Reply #198 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 8:36pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 7:57pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 6:43pm:
Leroy wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 3:12pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 3:01pm:
Yet you’ve decided it’s a good idea, because Trump proposed it. That’s the real problem here. You’re not engaging with evidence, reason, or basic economics. So there’s no point in asking what sources or research might change your mind, you’ve made it clear that no facts will ever penetrate your ideological armour.


Hit the nail on the head. No one knows what will work or won't work, not me, not Sadkanga, not Frank in fact no one at all. You don't even have to do anything and just let things roll along.

You can though take a position, its not better or smarter or even worse than other positions its just a different position. Most will take Trumps position as displayed by his landslide victory because he is Trump and he has the power. Others will take a different position because it is Trump and he has the power.

Then we can concoct a theory as to why our position is a better position but in the end everyone is right and everyone is wrong.


Thanks, Leroy. You've eloquently articulated the position.

1. Accept DL's policies, even ones costed to fail, because they're DL's.

2. Have faith they will work because he has a kind of supernatural power.

3. Wait and see what happens.

4. We can then concoct a theory. All good.

There's only one problem with your proposition. DL has been in office before. We've seen the data from his previous actions. These are just three.

Tax cuts
Your DL promised the corporate tax cut would see investment in bricks and mortar, employment growth and a rise in tax revenue.

The tax cut was invested straight into share buybacks, saw no investment or job creation and tax revenue dropped massively.

Government debt
He promised to pay off the deficit and create a surplus in his first term.

By 2019, government debt ballooned by a quarter. Then covid hit, raising it to a third.

Manufacturing and trade wars
He promised to bring back manufacturing from Chi-na by declaring a trade war. In return, the US would be rolling in tax revenue, all paid by Chi-na.

China retaliated with tariffs on US crops. Farmers in the Mid West lost their farms. DL was forced to invest the "Chi-na tariff money" into farming subsidies.

I shouldn't need to explain to you his error in China paying tariffs - American consumers paid for these mistakes. Manufacturing plants and factories continued to move to Chi-na and Mexico during his term in office, raising the manufacturing trade deficit with both countries. Offshoring of manufacturing continued throughout your DL's term, presenting a significant problem when covid hit.

Your DL's advisors begged him not to do these things and told him what would happen if he did. He ignored them all. They showed him spreadsheets, he didn't listen. I can make it happen, he said.

He didn't, and he couldn't. These are just three failed policy areas. Your DL had hundreds - domestic and foreign fiascos you've probably never even heard of. His first term was a total disaster.

43 of his senior advisors and cabinet members said they'd never work with him - or even vote for him - again. They all said he's a complete fool, who botches whatever he touches, creates chaos, then lies to cover up his own mess.

You're right on point four too - when he fails, his base creates a theory, always blaming someone else: illegals, leftards, RINOs, the Deep State. There's a billion dollar industry in this work, with Fox, Newsmax and all the influencers rushing in to help - for a buck.

His next administration will have no guardrails - no RNC appointees, friends of RINO donors or Deep Staters. It will also have project 2025, so they'll lose the civil servants - decades of professional experience in key federal areas gone.

Your four points above detail the strategy - exactly why he'll fuck up again. He hasn't learned, and he's only gotten worse. He's surrounded by sycophants and grifters who will rort the country dry. This will effect Australia too. His tariff threats alone have already lowered our dollar. We're yet to see what a completely dysfunctional, unhinged and vengeful US administration can do to us and the world.

It can't possibly be good.



Moronic drivel.

America (and everyone else) must wear unfair trade practices from China,  otherwise we all have to pay a fair price for goods. The end of the world!!

That is as moronic as Sad, you, groggy and the rest of you grimacing TDS kids have.


You're already slurring, you poor old thing.

Get well soon, dear chap. We're here for you.
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Reply #199 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 8:42pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 8:26pm:
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-biden-administrations-targeted-stra...

Good: "The Biden administration’s approach of coupling smart, strategic, targeted tariffs with actual investment in American industry is delivering enormous results."

Bad: "The previous administration (under the rapist and convicted criminal) tried a trade approach that relied only on tariffs and corporate tax cuts, and it failed to solve the big problems facing domestic production. It did not truly reorient global supply chains away from China, nor did it rebuild American industrial might."


Why do you like rapists so much, Frank?

Are you a rapist?



Can you define rapist.
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Reply #200 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 8:43pm
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 8:36pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 7:57pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 6:43pm:
Leroy wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 3:12pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 3:01pm:
Yet you’ve decided it’s a good idea, because Trump proposed it. That’s the real problem here. You’re not engaging with evidence, reason, or basic economics. So there’s no point in asking what sources or research might change your mind, you’ve made it clear that no facts will ever penetrate your ideological armour.


Hit the nail on the head. No one knows what will work or won't work, not me, not Sadkanga, not Frank in fact no one at all. You don't even have to do anything and just let things roll along.

You can though take a position, its not better or smarter or even worse than other positions its just a different position. Most will take Trumps position as displayed by his landslide victory because he is Trump and he has the power. Others will take a different position because it is Trump and he has the power.

Then we can concoct a theory as to why our position is a better position but in the end everyone is right and everyone is wrong.


Thanks, Leroy. You've eloquently articulated the position.

1. Accept DL's policies, even ones costed to fail, because they're DL's.

2. Have faith they will work because he has a kind of supernatural power.

3. Wait and see what happens.

4. We can then concoct a theory. All good.

There's only one problem with your proposition. DL has been in office before. We've seen the data from his previous actions. These are just three.

Tax cuts
Your DL promised the corporate tax cut would see investment in bricks and mortar, employment growth and a rise in tax revenue.

The tax cut was invested straight into share buybacks, saw no investment or job creation and tax revenue dropped massively.

Government debt
He promised to pay off the deficit and create a surplus in his first term.

By 2019, government debt ballooned by a quarter. Then covid hit, raising it to a third.

Manufacturing and trade wars
He promised to bring back manufacturing from Chi-na by declaring a trade war. In return, the US would be rolling in tax revenue, all paid by Chi-na.

China retaliated with tariffs on US crops. Farmers in the Mid West lost their farms. DL was forced to invest the "Chi-na tariff money" into farming subsidies.

I shouldn't need to explain to you his error in China paying tariffs - American consumers paid for these mistakes. Manufacturing plants and factories continued to move to Chi-na and Mexico during his term in office, raising the manufacturing trade deficit with both countries. Offshoring of manufacturing continued throughout your DL's term, presenting a significant problem when covid hit.

Your DL's advisors begged him not to do these things and told him what would happen if he did. He ignored them all. They showed him spreadsheets, he didn't listen. I can make it happen, he said.

He didn't, and he couldn't. These are just three failed policy areas. Your DL had hundreds - domestic and foreign fiascos you've probably never even heard of. His first term was a total disaster.

43 of his senior advisors and cabinet members said they'd never work with him - or even vote for him - again. They all said he's a complete fool, who botches whatever he touches, creates chaos, then lies to cover up his own mess.

You're right on point four too - when he fails, his base creates a theory, always blaming someone else: illegals, leftards, RINOs, the Deep State. There's a billion dollar industry in this work, with Fox, Newsmax and all the influencers rushing in to help - for a buck.

His next administration will have no guardrails - no RNC appointees, friends of RINO donors or Deep Staters. It will also have project 2025, so they'll lose the civil servants - decades of professional experience in key federal areas gone.

Your four points above detail the strategy - exactly why he'll fuck up again. He hasn't learned, and he's only gotten worse. He's surrounded by sycophants and grifters who will rort the country dry. This will effect Australia too. His tariff threats alone have already lowered our dollar. We're yet to see what a completely dysfunctional, unhinged and vengeful US administration can do to us and the world.

It can't possibly be good.



Moronic drivel.

America (and everyone else) must wear unfair trade practices from China,  otherwise we all have to pay a fair price for goods. The end of the world!!

That is as moronic as Sad, you, groggy and the rest of you grimacing TDS kids have.


You're already slurring, you poor old thing.

Get well soon, dear chap. We're here for you.


America (and everyone elshe) musht wear unfair trade practishes from Chi*na,  otherwishe we all have to pay a fair prishe for goodsh. The end of the world!!

Address it, grimacing bozo. 10 rupees in it for you.




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Reply #201 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 8:45pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 8:26pm:
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-biden-administrations-targeted-stra...

Good: "The Biden administration’s approach of coupling smart, strategic, targeted tariffs with actual investment in American industry is delivering enormous results."

Bad: "The previous administration (under the rapist and convicted criminal) tried a trade approach that relied only on tariffs and corporate tax cuts, and it failed to solve the big problems facing domestic production. It did not truly reorient global supply chains away from China, nor did it rebuild American industrial might."


Why do you like rapists so much, Frank?

Are you a rapist?



The truth dissolves them, Greggery. They sort of deflate and shrivel up.

But rapists? No. They're more the type to stand by, keeping lookout for the guard.
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Reply #202 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 9:46pm
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 8:45pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 8:26pm:
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-biden-administrations-targeted-stra...

Good: "The Biden administration’s approach of coupling smart, strategic, targeted tariffs with actual investment in American industry is delivering enormous results."

Bad: "The previous administration (under the rapist and convicted criminal) tried a trade approach that relied only on tariffs and corporate tax cuts, and it failed to solve the big problems facing domestic production. It did not truly reorient global supply chains away from China, nor did it rebuild American industrial might."


Why do you like rapists so much, Frank?

Are you a rapist?



The truth dissolves them, Greggery. They sort of deflate and shrivel up.

But rapists? No. They're more the type to stand by, keeping lookout for the guard.

He is not a rapist, and he discombobulates you mongs.

Anyone who brings out your innate mendatious stupity, your dirty underhanded lies, your relentless howling -  is a a GOOD thing.

Your every deranged, incontinent post proves that point.
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Reply #203 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 10:21pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 9:46pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 8:45pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 8:26pm:
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-biden-administrations-targeted-stra...

Good: "The Biden administration’s approach of coupling smart, strategic, targeted tariffs with actual investment in American industry is delivering enormous results."

Bad: "The previous administration (under the rapist and convicted criminal) tried a trade approach that relied only on tariffs and corporate tax cuts, and it failed to solve the big problems facing domestic production. It did not truly reorient global supply chains away from China, nor did it rebuild American industrial might."


Why do you like rapists so much, Frank?

Are you a rapist?



The truth dissolves them, Greggery. They sort of deflate and shrivel up.

But rapists? No. They're more the type to stand by, keeping lookout for the guard.

He is not a rapist, and he discombobulates you mongs.

Anyone who brings out your innate mendatious stupity, your dirty underhanded lies, your relentless howling -  is a a GOOD thing.

Your every deranged, incontinent post proves that point.


Then they puff back up again. Sort of like a big, plastic bag, blowing in the wind.
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Reply #204 - Dec 7th, 2024 at 10:53pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 4:28pm:
Crap.
Even CNN acknowledges that Trump has a broad range of economic plans. Tariffs is not the beginning and the, as you stupidly try to pretend.


SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 5:12pm:
Then bullet point is plans so there is no ambiguity.


I guess you can't?

My understanding was that his "economic" plan was:

Tariffs: Imposing 10-20% tariffs on all imported goods and up to 60% on Chinese imports​

Tax Cuts: Broad tax reductions for all income groups, including eliminating Social Security taxes for seniors​, funded by other countries paying the tariffs.

China Policy: Phasing out Chinese imports over four years, banning U.S. investments in Chinese companies, and tightening restrictions on Chinese investments in the U.S.​

Immigration and Labour: Limiting work permits for undocumented immigrants and reallocating jobs to U.S. citizens; creating compensation funds for victims of "migrant crime"​

Energy Policy: Reversing green energy initiatives, promoting fossil fuel production, and opposing mandates for electric vehicles​

Trade Policy: Expanding "reciprocal tariffs" to penalise countries imposing tariffs on U.S. goods​

Like it or not, tariffs are going a lot of heavy lifting... And he's lying about the targeted country paying for them.
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Reply #205 - Dec 8th, 2024 at 9:46am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 5:12pm:
Then bullet point is plans so there is no ambiguity.

Click on the link I gave you.
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Reply #206 - Dec 8th, 2024 at 10:16am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 10:53pm:
Trade Policy: Expanding "reciprocal tariffs" to penalise countries imposing tariffs on U.S. goods​

Like it or not, tariffs are going a lot of heavy lifting... And he's lying about the targeted country paying for them.


I don't think you understood what Trump and Vance were conveying, its like you use the MSNBC playbook for anything Trump says.
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Reply #207 - Dec 8th, 2024 at 1:20pm
 
To put it all into perspective what would happen if Trump and Kamala were to have talks with China on tariffs for lets say solar panels.

Trump would say 60% across the board, XI would respond saying thats to high and China will put 60% on all goods coming from America. Trump would say well thats not to bad we can live with that. XI would then say what if we only go to 20% can you match that. Trump would say look I love tariffs so lets just say 40% and leave it at that. XI would say we can't go that high because we will not make enough money. Trump will say if you make visible efforts to stem fentanyl we can maybe agree to 20%. XI deal.

MSNBC headline, XI outplays Trump

Kamala to XI we are going to put 20% tariff on solar panels. XI, thats too high and we can't pay our workers and will have to sack some. Kamala no we dont want that. XI well if we promise to treat all trans the same as everyone else will you drop the tariff altogether. Kamala deal.

XI then tells his team as of today all trans will be treated the same as everyone else and have no rights.


MSNBC headline Kamala restores the rights to all trans in China.
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Reply #208 - Dec 8th, 2024 at 3:26pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 9:46pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 8:45pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 8:26pm:
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-biden-administrations-targeted-stra...

Good: "The Biden administration’s approach of coupling smart, strategic, targeted tariffs with actual investment in American industry is delivering enormous results."

Bad: "The previous administration (under the rapist and convicted criminal) tried a trade approach that relied only on tariffs and corporate tax cuts, and it failed to solve the big problems facing domestic production. It did not truly reorient global supply chains away from China, nor did it rebuild American industrial might."


Why do you like rapists so much, Frank?

Are you a rapist?



The truth dissolves them, Greggery. They sort of deflate and shrivel up.

But rapists? No. They're more the type to stand by, keeping lookout for the guard.

He is not a rapist, ...


You can say it another hundred times, but you'll still be wrong.

Trump is an adjudicated rapist.

You are defending a violent sexual predator.

One can only imagine why.

Donald Trump suffered another legal reversal on Monday, losing his counterclaim for defamation against E Jean Carroll, the writer against whom he was found liable for sexual abuse and defamation and fined $5m, and who continues to pursue a separate defamation case against him.

Dismissing the counterclaim, a judge in New York, Lewis A Kaplan, said that when Carroll repeated her allegation that Trump raped her, her words were “substantially true”. Kaplan also set out in detail why it may be said that Trump raped Carroll.


Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll
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Reply #209 - Dec 8th, 2024 at 4:21pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8th, 2024 at 3:26pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 9:46pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 8:45pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7th, 2024 at 8:26pm:
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-biden-administrations-targeted-stra...

Good: "The Biden administration’s approach of coupling smart, strategic, targeted tariffs with actual investment in American industry is delivering enormous results."

Bad: "The previous administration (under the rapist and convicted criminal) tried a trade approach that relied only on tariffs and corporate tax cuts, and it failed to solve the big problems facing domestic production. It did not truly reorient global supply chains away from China, nor did it rebuild American industrial might."


Why do you like rapists so much, Frank?

Are you a rapist?



The truth dissolves them, Greggery. They sort of deflate and shrivel up.

But rapists? No. They're more the type to stand by, keeping lookout for the guard.

He is not a rapist, ...


You can say it another hundred times, but you'll still be wrong.

Trump is an adjudicated rapist.

You are defending a violent sexual predator.

One can only imagine why.

Donald Trump suffered another legal reversal on Monday, losing his counterclaim for defamation against E Jean Carroll, the writer against whom he was found liable for sexual abuse and defamation and fined $5m, and who continues to pursue a separate defamation case against him.

Dismissing the counterclaim, a judge in New York, Lewis A Kaplan, said that when Carroll repeated her allegation that Trump raped her, her words were “substantially true”. Kaplan also set out in detail why it may be said that Trump raped Carroll.


Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll

Crap. They would have charged him. Rape is a crime. 
They didn't. It's nonsense.

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